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goodorbit  [Team Member]
4/30/2013 11:07:51 AM
CO beat us to it.



Maybe we can get this one?

ETA: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1477712_CNN___Pro_gun_CO_billboard_featuring_Native_Americans_draws_ire.html
mag162  [Moderator]
4/30/2013 11:08:23 AM
powerful stuff right there.
Ciraxis  [Team Member]
4/30/2013 11:10:51 AM
too much bickering like little spoiled children ruined it.

too much feet stomping over petty stupid shit
goodorbit  [Team Member]
4/30/2013 11:24:11 AM
Originally Posted By Ciraxis:
too much bickering like little spoiled children ruined it.

too much feet stomping over petty stupid shit


OK. How about we put this one up?
It gets to the point. Sharply.


widerstehe  [Team Member]
4/30/2013 11:45:58 AM
Originally Posted By goodorbit:
Originally Posted By Ciraxis:
too much bickering like little spoiled children ruined it.

too much feet stomping over petty stupid shit


OK. How about we put this one up?
It gets to the point. Sharply.




Needs moar Hitler.
Ciraxis  [Team Member]
4/30/2013 12:01:44 PM
and this is exactly what happened to the last thread
widerstehe  [Team Member]
4/30/2013 12:10:31 PM
Originally Posted By Ciraxis:
and this is exactly what happened to the last thread


goodorbit  [Team Member]
4/30/2013 12:49:59 PM
How about the Hitler lovers go get their own "poo flinging" billboard, and the rest of us form a group for a "make you think" billboard.

That makes 2x the billboards!
Sdsquad1  [Team Member]
4/30/2013 4:56:17 PM
Farting in the wind as usual.
Gastard  [Member]
4/30/2013 5:04:23 PM
We " as a group " , do not have the cahunas to say publicly some of the things that need saying . Oh . . .and I am all for flinging poo at those losers in Albany , at least we'd be flingin' something .
cas  [Team Member]
4/30/2013 7:09:14 PM
Originally Posted By Gastard:
We " as a group " , do not have the cahunas to say publicly some of the things that need saying .


Most of the public don't have the brains to get it.
LZ1  [Member]
4/30/2013 8:58:33 PM
It's weird so instead of doing something to help our cause...

We did nothing because a handful of idiots on here can't come to a compromise because they have no understanding of market or how to shift public opinion.
zeekh  [Team Member]
4/30/2013 9:06:47 PM
Originally Posted By LZ1:
It's weird so instead of doing something to help our cause...

We did nothing because a handful of idiots on here can't come to a compromise because they have no understanding of market or how to shift public opinion.


Well lets stop bitching and get it done. How much does a billboard like this cost?
Norsk_Snikskytter  [Member]
4/30/2013 9:08:59 PM
Originally Posted By zeekh:
Originally Posted By LZ1:
It's weird so instead of doing something to help our cause...

We did nothing because a handful of idiots on here can't come to a compromise because they have no understanding of market or how to shift public opinion.


Well lets stop bitching and get it done. How much does a billboard like this cost?


There were so many people willing to donate..

We would've had no problem affording costs.

In the old thread the OP called the advertising company and got quotas and everything, the guy on the phone was pro-2a or had an AR or something..
widerstehe  [Team Member]
4/30/2013 9:34:24 PM
Originally Posted By LZ1:


We did nothing because a handful of idiots on here can't come to a compromise because they have no understanding of market or how to shift public opinion.


That's absolute bullshit.

Even for those of us who wanted Hitler (I know that sounds weird) we were all still willing to donate no matter what the fucking sign said. Sure, opinons were voiced, and there was dissention in the ranks but it didn't matter. If someone had just gone through with it, the money would have come.
Ciraxis  [Team Member]
4/30/2013 9:46:04 PM
Originally Posted By widerstehe:
Originally Posted By LZ1:


We did nothing because a handful of idiots on here can't come to a compromise because they have no understanding of market or how to shift public opinion.


That's absolute bullshit.

Even for those of us who wanted Hitler (I know that sounds weird) we were all still willing to donate no matter what the fucking sign said. Sure, opinons were voiced, and there was dissention in the ranks but it didn't matter. If someone had just gone through with it, the money would have come.


There were plenty that said outright that they wouldnt donate unless is was a hitler sign.
BigB32  [Team Member]
4/30/2013 10:00:51 PM
Originally Posted By Ciraxis:
Originally Posted By widerstehe:
Originally Posted By LZ1:


We did nothing because a handful of idiots on here can't come to a compromise because they have no understanding of market or how to shift public opinion.


That's absolute bullshit.

Even for those of us who wanted Hitler (I know that sounds weird) we were all still willing to donate no matter what the fucking sign said. Sure, opinons were voiced, and there was dissention in the ranks but it didn't matter. If someone had just gone through with it, the money would have come.


There were plenty that said outright that they wouldnt donate unless is was a hitler sign.


There was. But there was still enough to fund it without them.
Mech2007  [Team Member]
5/1/2013 5:23:06 AM


Never gonna happen.

Arfcom, like society in general, is made up of loud bleating sheep looking for someone to lead them.


LZ1  [Member]
5/1/2013 9:34:53 AM
You guys are already fighting again...

Seems to be a lot of back pedal from people who bitched and screwed up the other thread because the majority didn't like their idea of what to put on it.



Who has the contact info for the billboard person?
BeRzErKaS  [Member]
5/1/2013 11:32:26 AM
Originally Posted By goodorbit:
How about the Hitler lovers go get their own "poo flinging" billboard, and the rest of us form a group for a "make you think" billboard.

That makes 2x the billboards!


Ambitious and unlikely. But in all honesty, the best idea yet.

There is room on the front lines of this fight for both poo flinging and thoughtfulness but the messages should be separate. At the heart of the billboard conflict was trying to figure out how to combine those two strategies without discrediting ourselves. That was an impossible task.

Tar & feathering political figures and making a serious plea to the public are two different projects. I would donate to both efforts.
byuind  [Team Member]
5/1/2013 11:37:29 AM
If this idea is still alive... I can push forward with the plan. I put it on hold in part because I am buying a house and all my time outside of work is devoted to getting ridiculous amounts of paperwork together and keeping my pregnant wife happy. I also decided to lay off because every time I asked for constructive criticism or good ideas i got a bunch of "fuck everyone I like my idea best" comments.


I still have all the info I will need to go forward, and now that someone else in another state beat us to it, and everyone is all gung ho again.... I would consider jumping back in the saddle. But only if you guys can act AT LEAST 10 years old!!!!


Lemme know....
rkbar15  [Team Member]
5/1/2013 12:02:45 PM

Originally Posted By Mech2007:


Never gonna happen.

Arfcom, like society in general, is made up of loud bleating sheep looking for someone to lead them.





byuind  [Team Member]
5/1/2013 12:07:18 PM
Originally Posted By rkbar15:

Originally Posted By Mech2007:


Never gonna happen.

Arfcom, like society in general, is made up of loud bleating sheep looking for someone to lead them.



http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=879



widerstehe  [Team Member]
5/1/2013 12:22:15 PM
Originally Posted By BeRzErKaS:
There is room on the front lines of this fight for both poo flinging and thoughtfulness but the messages should be separate. At the heart of the billboard conflict was trying to figure out how to combine those two strategies without discrediting ourselves. That was an impossible task.

Tar & feathering political figures and making a serious plea to the public are two different projects. I would donate to both efforts.


Wisdom, right there.
prambo  [Team Member]
5/1/2013 6:43:01 PM
Yeah, we were our own worst enemy, and CO gets it done in a very strong manner.

One NYHTF member had an idea that was simple, to the point, and the message was obvious. It had something like "Dictator's Checklist" at the top, with 3 check boxes - "Gun Registration) (already checked), Gun Confiscation (unchecked), and the third "Take Other Rights".

It's on either the original thread or the one where we voted.

I don't want anyone to get butthurt around here BUT:

1) Drop Hitler, Stalin and their pals - it's been done (I believe originally by JPFO). I've studied Hitler for over 45 years (reading Kershaw now), it's old history - most younger people
don't know about him, or Stalin, and could care less.
2) It has to be simple because of people "driving while ignorant".
3) It has to speak to people OTHER than gun owner's - we get it!!

Somebody please direct me to the original threads and I'll post it; if the originator sees this please post your design here.

We have to start getting tough, and stop the whining. If you're gonna be all buttsore from not having Hitler, Jeeze, get a life.
We're talking about the future of NYS and the USA. I you don't think this is where this is going, sooner or later, then you're a lost cause - go play COD4 until you loose everything.

My $0.02. PS - don't flame me, I could give a rat's ass about now.


TacticalWatermelon  [Team Member]
5/1/2013 6:56:30 PM
Originally Posted By prambo:
Yeah, we were our own worst enemy, and CO gets it done in a very strong manner.

One NYHTF member had an idea that was simple, to the point, and the message was obvious. It had something like "Dictator's Checklist" at the top, with 3 check boxes - "Gun Registration) (already checked), Gun Confiscation (unchecked), and the third "Take Other Rights".

It's on either the original thread or the one where we voted.

I don't want anyone to get butthurt around here BUT:

1) Drop Hitler, Stalin and their pals - it's been done (I believe originally by JPFO). I've studied Hitler for over 45 years (reading Kershaw now), it's old history - most younger people
don't know about him, or Stalin, and could care less.
2) It has to be simple because of people "driving while ignorant".
3) It has to speak to people OTHER than gun owner's - we get it!!

Somebody please direct me to the original threads and I'll post it; if the originator sees this please post your design here.

We have to start getting tough, and stop the whining. If you're gonna be all buttsore from not having Hitler, Jeeze, get a life.
We're talking about the future of NYS and the USA. I you don't think this is where this is going, sooner or later, then you're a lost cause - go play COD4 until you loose everything.

My $0.02. PS - don't flame me, I could give a rat's ass about now.




This. Also, I'm still on board to donate to any idea. I like the above stated one as well as the grandfather handing the 10/22 to his grandson saying FELON in big red letters. Underneath a website name or keyword for people to Google and get info on why the safe act is complete shit. Details matter little to me so tweak it as needed but I like the concept. Once again, I'll donate to anything that helps our cause.
goodorbit  [Team Member]
5/2/2013 8:34:46 AM
There are Three types of people on this issue:

1. The gun guys, we're already pissed, no need to sway our opinion of the current state of affairs.
2. The Bleeding heart liberals. We are not going to change their opinion no matter what. They believe a viable defense against rape is pooping.
3. ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE. These are the people we need to address. Beating them over the head with Hitler, the "cold dead hands" or any of the other messages that they've heard a kabillion times before won't help. We need to plant a seed and let them come to the decision themselves. That's why I like the CO billboard, it is simple, powerful, and makes the viewer think about the current direction of the government. I do think the Indian theme will be lost on a lot of people in NY, particularly downstate.

Other ideas:
"Seven round magazine limits are for victims."
Insert fuzzy image of Dad/ kids in distress / pool of blood.
Brought to you by responsible NY's for the repeal of the SAFEact.

The "weapons of war have no place on our streets" image of Boston. is powerful.

Anybody have a line on what happened to the Rock River Arms rifles the NYSP was allegedly purchasing? Can we play that angle?

widerstehe  [Team Member]
5/2/2013 8:57:56 AM
Originally Posted By goodorbit:
There are Three types of people on this issue:

1. The gun guys, we're already pissed, no need to sway our opinion of the current state of affairs.
2. The Bleeding heart liberals. We are not going to change their opinion no matter what. They believe a viable defense against rape is pooping.
3. ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE. These are the people we need to address. Beating them over the head with Hitler, the "cold dead hands" or any of the other messages that they've heard a kabillion times before won't help. We need to plant a seed and let them come to the decision themselves. That's why I like the CO billboard, it is simple, powerful, and makes the viewer think about the current direction of the government. I do think the Indian theme will be lost on a lot of people in NY, particularly downstate.

Other ideas:
"Seven round magazine limits are for victims."
Insert fuzzy image of Dad/ kids in distress / pool of blood.
Brought to you by responsible NY's for the repeal of the SAFEact.

The "weapons of war have no place on our streets" image of Boston. is powerful.

Anybody have a line on what happened to the Rock River Arms rifles the NYSP was allegedly purchasing? Can we play that angle?



I am curious exactly what you think it will do if you can get a few converts from the middle on to our side. Congrats, they may agree with us. Whooptie-fucking-do. They are still not going to be sufficient numbers of them with any passion for the cause to actually do anything about it.
goodorbit  [Team Member]
5/2/2013 9:38:51 AM
So you're saying it's hopeless. Lets just leave for Arizona.

Public sentiment has to be swayed against the SAFE act. Educating the people about how fucked up this law is, is the goal. Weather Joe & Jane six pack is talking with friends, standing in the voting booth, or sitting on a jury, does not matter. What matters is that they think "hey that SAFEshit IS wrong."



widerstehe  [Team Member]
5/2/2013 9:50:23 AM
Originally Posted By goodorbit:
So you're saying it's hopeless. Lets just leave for Arizona South Carolina.



FIFY, and Yes.

ETA: But my point really is that the only true tool we have (had) at our disposal was to embarrass, make squirm, and otherwise agitate Cumhole and his minions. The ONLY thing we could possibly accomplish would be to absolutely RUIN Cumhole's political future. That's one of the reasons why I was in favor of the Hitler comparison.
jasonusvi  [Team Member]
5/2/2013 9:50:34 AM
Originally Posted By goodorbit:
Originally Posted By Ciraxis:
too much bickering like little spoiled children ruined it.

too much feet stomping over petty stupid shit


OK. How about we put this one up?
It gets to the point. Sharply.




Agree with just putting that one up. Historically relevant and perfectly clear. I would contribute

ETA: Would have more effect to see the same one going up all over the country
Koi  [Member]
5/2/2013 10:34:50 AM
Maybe the message can be altered for current events like the left does.


"Do you feel 7 rounds is enough to protect your family from terrorist hiding in your back yard? "
tc556guy  [Team Member]
5/2/2013 10:37:03 AM
Originally Posted By goodorbit:
CO beat us to it.

<a href="http://s704.photobucket.com/user/goodorbit/media/130430015344-dnt-co-racist-billboard-uproar-00002015-story-top_zpse64f1dcc.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww41/goodorbit/130430015344-dnt-co-racist-billboard-uproar-00002015-story-top_zpse64f1dcc.jpg</a>

Maybe we can get this one?

ETA: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1477712_CNN___Pro_gun_CO_billboard_featuring_Native_Americans_draws_ire.html


A clean copy of that would be nice to add to the screensaver collection