What to do with preban mags?
I'm finishing up my degree and going to try to get into law enforcement somewhere here in NY.
Now, as I understand it, police officers are exempt from mag restrictions until they retire.
I have a lot of money tied up in preban mags (probably 5-6k worth). The question is, what would you guys do with them if you were to go into LE? Are retired LEOs really given grief for non compliant mags? what if it was issued to them and the department let them keep it?
Keep them, as it's a cold chance in hell that NYS will get rid of the ban in the next 20 years?
Sell them off and look for them again when I retire/don't worry about the restrictions?
Keep a couple for each weapon and sell off the rest?
I'd keep em personally
If it was me,I'd sit on them for a few years.then maybe sell a few.
You never know when friends or even family might need some.
They will only get more valuable with age.
Keep em as an investment to pass down to your kids.
Wow, that's about 300 mags if I'm doing my math right! :)
Personally I'd sell most of them and keep about 50 for when you retire/lose your job/quit and do something else.
Sell 'em then when you retire get the hell out of NYS.
Originally Posted By scpd92:
Keep em as an investment to pass down to your kids.
AWB won't be in effect that long.
Originally Posted By Bill_Wallace:
Wow, that's about 300 mags if I'm doing my math right! :)
Personally I'd sell most of them and keep about 50 for when you retire/lose your job/quit and do something else.
I don't even like to think about what I have in mags
100 or so preban USGI 30s
50 or mor preban USGI 20s
Maybe 30 preban Thermold 30s
40 preban Israeli Orlites as trade fodder
20 7.62 AK preban 30s
20 5.45 AK preban 30s
10 or so .223 AK preban 30s
25 FAL pre bans
30 Cetme prebans
12 M1A preban 20s
30 M1 carbine 15 and 25 (or is it 30) round prebans
20 preban P226 9mm
20 preban P229 mix of 9mm and 40
30 NDF Glock 19
10 FML preban Glock 19
20 FML preban Glock 23
15 preban Brwning Hi-power
20 preban Beretta 92 9mm
I'm sure there is a shit load more I'm forgetting

I would wait until November
Keep them for the time being, you can hand them out at the next arfcom meet at schlesingers

the markets hot as hell right now for them. if you really have THAT many mags, Id sell off 1/2 of them before NOV while the demand is crazy high. best bang for your buck atleast..you never know..in 5 years the AWB could be gone and your prebans that are worth 20 bucks a pop right now might only be worth 2 bucks a few years from now.
I know i know..the AWB will never go away..but i can dream right? lol
LEO barely care about ban/postban mags as it is. I'd say sell at a high point and have done with it.
yep, that many and I might turn some into cash now.
that said, I tell fellow officers who have prebans to consider stashing them and using current LEO post ban mags and save the pre ban stuff for retirement.
I hope this silliness is gone by the time I retire, I'm not sure on that score. Anyways taxes are high enough here I might be gone from NY upon retirement.

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
Originally Posted By Bill_Wallace:
Wow, that's about 300 mags if I'm doing my math right! :)
Personally I'd sell most of them and keep about 50 for when you retire/lose your job/quit and do something else.
I don't even like to think about what I have in mags
100 or so preban USGI 30s
50 or mor preban USGI 20s
Maybe 30 preban Thermold 30s
40 preban Israeli Orlites as trade fodder
20 7.62 AK preban 30s
20 5.45 AK preban 30s
10 or so .223 AK preban 30s
25 FAL pre bans
30 Cetme prebans
12 M1A preban 20s
30 M1 carbine 15 and 25 (or is it 30) round prebans
20 preban P226 9mm
20 preban P229 mix of 9mm and 40
30 NDF Glock 19
10 FML preban Glock 19
20 FML preban Glock 23
15 preban Brwning Hi-power
20 preban Beretta 92 9mm
I'm sure there is a shit load more I'm forgetting

Mag whore!

Originally Posted By screen-name:
the markets hot as hell right now for them. if you really have THAT many mags, Id sell off 1/2 of them before NOV while the demand is crazy high. best bang for your buck atleast..you never know..in 5 years the AWB could be gone and your prebans that are worth 20 bucks a pop right now might only be worth 2 bucks a few years from now.
I know i know..the AWB will never go away..but i can dream right? lol
Decide how many of each you really need and cash in the rest now. The only types that I would keep all of them are ones that you can no longer get replacements for the internals (springs, followers etc.).
Would somebody be so kind as to point me to the section of the penal law that allows a retired LEO to possess large capacity ammunition feeding devices?
S 265.20 Exemptions.
a. Sections 265.01, 265.02, 265.03, 265.04, 265.05, 265.10, 265.11,
265.12, 265.13, 265.15 and 270.05 shall not apply to:
S 265.10 Manufacture, transport, disposition and defacement of weapons
and dangerous instruments and appliances.
1. Any person who manufactures or causes to be manufactured any
machine-gun, assault weapon, large capacity ammunition feeding device or
disguised gun is guilty of a class D felony. Any person who manufactures
or causes to be manufactured any switchblade knife, gravity knife, pilum
ballistic knife, metal knuckle knife, billy, blackjack, bludgeon, metal
knuckles, Kung Fu star, chuka stick, sandbag, sandclub or slungshot is
guilty of a class A misdemeanor.
2. Any person who transports or ships any machine-gun, firearm
silencer, assault weapon or large capacity ammunition feeding device or
disguised gun, or who transports or ships as merchandise five or more
firearms, is guilty of a class D felony. Any person who transports or
ships as merchandise any firearm, other than an assault weapon,
switchblade knife, gravity knife, pilum ballistic knife, billy,
blackjack, bludgeon, metal knuckles, Kung Fu star, chuka stick, sandbag
or slungshot is guilty of a class A misdemeanor.
3. Any person who disposes of any machine-gun, assault weapon, large
capacity ammunition feeding device or firearm silencer is guilty of a
class D felony. Any person who knowingly buys, receives, disposes of, or
conceals a machine-gun, firearm, large capacity ammunition feeding
device, rifle or shotgun which has been defaced for the purpose of
concealment or prevention of the detection of a crime or misrepresenting
the identity of such machine-gun, firearm, large capacity ammunition
feeding device, rifle or shotgun is guilty of a class D felony.
I would keep them for now. Esp. given the current economy, you might be a while before you get a chance to get on with a department. Once your on I would still keep them for a couple of years until your positive being a leo is what you want to do. Some folks find the clash between the reality of LE work vs. what they had imagined it would be hard to handle.
Originally Posted By evileyeswatchin:
Sell 'em then when you retire get the hell out of NYS.
Was going to post this.
No way you can survive on a pension here anyway.
some may disagree, and I have never heard of a retired LEO being hassled for post ban high caps, but the exemption for high caps is intended to be for duty use. I'd keep my pre bans if I were you. use post bans as much as possible while a sworn officer (to save wear and tear on your pre bans) so that later on you have a supply of no hassle pre-bans for personal use.
Originally Posted By cas:
They will only get more valuable with age.
this. It's not like they make prebans these days...
however, if you do plan to sell, an election year may be the time to do it...
also, the best of luck to you getting into LE! Keep us posted.
Sell em to the guy who posted a colt preban rifle with Acog for sale on the EE for 5K.
Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
I'd keep em personally
Originally Posted By Raptor22:
Originally Posted By screen-name:
the markets hot as hell right now for them. if you really have THAT many mags, Id sell off 1/2 of them before NOV while the demand is crazy high. best bang for your buck atleast..you never know..in 5 years the AWB could be gone and your prebans that are worth 20 bucks a pop right now might only be worth 2 bucks a few years from now.
I know i know..the AWB will never go away..but i can dream right? lol
Decide how many of each you really need and cash in the rest now. The only types that I would keep all of them are ones that you can no longer get replacements for the internals (springs, followers etc.).
This. Convert the excess (you've got 300-600 mags, right?) into cash and or ammo then retire to a free state.
I assume you have good reasons for owning the amount of magazines that you do and if you do not put a shield on your chest you'll still have those exact reasons. Given that, I would definitely not do anything until you are not only sworn somewhere but you have completed the probationary period. Then, depending on market conditions, I'd consider converting some into cash.
Keep them for when you retire.
If you were to leave NY, I'd keep a couple for possible future visits, and sell the rest in-state.
Originally Posted By mag162:
Sell em to the guy who posted a colt preban rifle with Acog for sale on the EE for 5K.
Oh you mean the one with TWO pistol grips?
I know im strange and from a country that just about bans firearms for the general public, but i wonder how many mags i would need in a need to use situation, self defense,national emergency? How many could i carry? how long would i need to hold out before reloading? After thinking on it 3 or 4 mags and i probably shot my load and running the other way, but then like i said im strange to start with.

Originally Posted By Sawnoff:
I know im strange and from a country that just about bans firearms for the general public, but i wonder how many mags i would need in a need to use situation, self defense,national emergency? How many could i carry? how long would i need to hold out before reloading? After thinking on it 3 or 4 mags and i probably shot my load and running the other way, but then like i said im strange to start with.

Think of it this way. They aren't making more standard cap mags that will pass legal muster in this state. Mags DO wear out from use.
Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Originally Posted By Sawnoff:
I know im strange and from a country that just about bans firearms for the general public, but i wonder how many mags i would need in a need to use situation, self defense,national emergency? How many could i carry? how long would i need to hold out before reloading? After thinking on it 3 or 4 mags and i probably shot my load and running the other way, but then like i said im strange to start with.

Think of it this way. They aren't making more standard cap mags that will pass legal muster in this state. Mags DO wear out from use.
The only reason why I have a bunch of mags is because magazines wear out eventually. I bought all of mine with the intention of keeping myself supplied will operational mags for the next 20-30 years.
The point of allowing grandfathered mags is that NYS knows they will eventually wear out and you'll get rid of them, furthering their goal of every mag being 10 rounds or less. Fuck them, I'll have standard capacity mags until I'm old and gray.
It sounds like I have a lot of mags, but I don't. They aren't all AR15 mags. I have a lot of glock, M14, M9 mags. I have nice carry mags, range mags, and fresh ones to replace those when they wear out.
Ill buy a few from ya.

Originally Posted By PETman:
S 265.20 Exemptions.
a. Sections 265.01, 265.02, 265.03, 265.04, 265.05, 265.10, 265.11,
265.12, 265.13, 265.15 and 270.05 shall not apply to:
S 265.10 Manufacture, transport, disposition and defacement of weapons
and dangerous instruments and appliances.
1. Any person who manufactures or causes to be manufactured any
machine-gun, assault weapon, large capacity ammunition feeding device or
disguised gun is guilty of a class D felony. Any person who manufactures
or causes to be manufactured any switchblade knife, gravity knife, pilum
ballistic knife, metal knuckle knife, billy, blackjack, bludgeon, metal
knuckles, Kung Fu star, chuka stick, sandbag, sandclub or slungshot is
guilty of a class A misdemeanor.
2. Any person who transports or ships any machine-gun, firearm
silencer, assault weapon or large capacity ammunition feeding device or
disguised gun, or who transports or ships as merchandise five or more
firearms, is guilty of a class D felony. Any person who transports or
ships as merchandise any firearm, other than an assault weapon,
switchblade knife, gravity knife, pilum ballistic knife, billy,
blackjack, bludgeon, metal knuckles, Kung Fu star, chuka stick, sandbag
or slungshot is guilty of a class A misdemeanor.
3. Any person who disposes of any machine-gun, assault weapon, large
capacity ammunition feeding device or firearm silencer is guilty of a
class D felony. Any person who knowingly buys, receives, disposes of, or
conceals a machine-gun, firearm, large capacity ammunition feeding
device, rifle or shotgun which has been defaced for the purpose of
concealment or prevention of the detection of a crime or misrepresenting
the identity of such machine-gun, firearm, large capacity ammunition
feeding device, rifle or shotgun is guilty of a class D felony.
Where does it speak about possession of said feeding device?
Originally Posted By CombatMP:
Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Originally Posted By Sawnoff:
I know im strange and from a country that just about bans firearms for the general public, but i wonder how many mags i would need in a need to use situation, self defense,national emergency? How many could i carry? how long would i need to hold out before reloading? After thinking on it 3 or 4 mags and i probably shot my load and running the other way, but then like i said im strange to start with.

Think of it this way. They aren't making more standard cap mags that will pass legal muster in this state. Mags DO wear out from use.
The only reason why I have a bunch of mags is because magazines wear out eventually. I bought all of mine with the intention of keeping myself supplied will operational mags for the next 20-30 years.
The point of allowing grandfathered mags is that NYS knows they will eventually wear out and you'll get rid of them, furthering their goal of every mag being 10 rounds or less. Fuck them, I'll have standard capacity mags until I'm old and gray.
It sounds like I have a lot of mags, but I don't. They aren't all AR15 mags. I have a lot of glock, M14, M9 mags. I have nice carry mags, range mags, and fresh ones to replace those when they wear out.
Good point
Keep them or sell/give them to other NYers.
I know this has probably been discussed elsewhere on this site but when your preban mags get to that point where they no longer function reliably are you legally able to upgrade the magazine internals with new components such as the brand new followers that are now used? For instance i purchased about 15-20 preban 30 rounders from someone on the EE EXCHANGE and as promised they came packaged brand new in the original sealed wrapper showing date if manufacture/ mil contract #, etc.
so far they have been working perfect but was just curiious as it if I could upgrade them with new/current springs, followers, ect. Again I know this info is prob on here somewhere but I need to run out for a bit and was hoping someone could give me a quick answer. Thanks so much in advance,
Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
Would somebody be so kind as to point me to the section of the penal law that allows a retired LEO to possess large capacity ammunition feeding devices?
Anyone?
Originally Posted By Nk235:
I know this has probably been discussed elsewhere on this site but when your preban mags get to that point where they no longer function reliably are you legally able to upgrade the magazine internals with new components such as the brand new followers that are now used? For instance i purchased about 15-20 preban 30 rounders from someone on the EE EXCHANGE and as promised they came packaged brand new in the original sealed wrapper showing date if manufacture/ mil contract #, etc.
so far they have been working perfect but was just curiious as it if I could upgrade them with new/current springs, followers, ect. Again I know this info is prob on here somewhere but I need to run out for a bit and was hoping someone could give me a quick answer. Thanks so much in advance,
Yes, the only part that's typically paid attention to is the mag body. That's the 'magazine', the other parts are simply parts. Repair at will. I have only about 50 preban AR mags around, but I have rebuild kits for about 100. I plan on longevity.
Originally Posted By rbrooks:
Originally Posted By Nk235:
I know this has probably been discussed elsewhere on this site but when your preban mags get to that point where they no longer function reliably are you legally able to upgrade the magazine internals with new components such as the brand new followers that are now used? For instance i purchased about 15-20 preban 30 rounders from someone on the EE EXCHANGE and as promised they came packaged brand new in the original sealed wrapper showing date if manufacture/ mil contract #, etc.
so far they have been working perfect but was just curiious as it if I could upgrade them with new/current springs, followers, ect. Again I know this info is prob on here somewhere but I need to run out for a bit and was hoping someone could give me a quick answer. Thanks so much in advance,
Yes, the only part that's typically paid attention to is the mag body. That's the 'magazine', the other parts are simply parts. Repair at will. I have only about 50 preban AR mags around, but I have rebuild kits for about 100. I plan on longevity.
Of course there is no binding guidance (court decision or regulatory) on whether this is legal/valid, YMMV.
