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Letter: Response To ‘Schimel Hails Inclusion Of Microstamping’
4/20/2012 9:45:15 AM
4/20/2012 10:21:04 AM
THAT"S how it's done: clear, concise facts not feelings.
4/20/2012 10:21:49 AM
Nice...But I feel like the main argument against microstamping is always left out...
How exactly will a microstamped shell (even if it works properly) that has been left at the scene of a crime, lead police to catch the shooter?
Are the majority of shooting crimes committed by people who legally buy microstamping guns?
NO.
So at the very best, the technology would lead police to the front door of a person who had their legal gun STOLEN. At the vert BEST that is.
I guess it was covered in that response article by saying "the technology IDs the gun, not the shooter," but that can be lost on some people.
How exactly will a microstamped shell (even if it works properly) that has been left at the scene of a crime, lead police to catch the shooter?
Are the majority of shooting crimes committed by people who legally buy microstamping guns?
NO.
So at the very best, the technology would lead police to the front door of a person who had their legal gun STOLEN. At the vert BEST that is.
I guess it was covered in that response article by saying "the technology IDs the gun, not the shooter," but that can be lost on some people.
4/20/2012 10:56:18 AM
Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:
So at the very best, the technology would lead police to the front door of a person who had their legal gun STOLEN. At the vert BEST that is.
So at the very best, the technology would lead police to the front door of a person who had their legal gun STOLEN. At the vert BEST that is.
To be fair that could be a key piece of evidence in solving the case.
4/20/2012 11:02:46 AM
Originally Posted By rkbar15:
To be fair that could be a key piece of evidence in solving the case.
Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:
So at the very best, the technology would lead police to the front door of a person who had their legal gun STOLEN. At the vert BEST that is.
So at the very best, the technology would lead police to the front door of a person who had their legal gun STOLEN. At the vert BEST that is.
To be fair that could be a key piece of evidence in solving the case.
Possibly... but I don't see it...I don't see the cops solving the firearm theft crime and finding the theif all of a sudden.
4/20/2012 11:25:09 AM
The author should be contacted and offered a team membership here.
4/20/2012 11:31:39 AM
Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:
Possibly... but I don't see it...I don't see the cops solving the firearm theft crime and finding the theif all of a sudden.
Possibly... but I don't see it...I don't see the cops solving the firearm theft crime and finding the theif all of a sudden.
It provides a piece of the puzzle and that could open up other investigative avenues. The real issue is even after ten years only a tiny percentage of guns In NYS would be microstamp capable and it's extremely unlikely that any of those guns would be used in a crime. Personally I don't believe any manufacturer will produce a microstamp ready pistol anyway.
4/20/2012 11:48:18 AM
Originally Posted By rkbar15:
It provides a piece of the puzzle and that could open up other investigative avenues. The real issue is even after ten years only a tiny percentage of guns In NYS would be microstamp capable and it's extremely unlikely that any of those guns would be used in a crime. Personally I don't believe any manufacturer will produce a microstamp ready pistol anyway.
Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:
Possibly... but I don't see it...I don't see the cops solving the firearm theft crime and finding the theif all of a sudden.
Possibly... but I don't see it...I don't see the cops solving the firearm theft crime and finding the theif all of a sudden.
It provides a piece of the puzzle and that could open up other investigative avenues. The real issue is even after ten years only a tiny percentage of guns In NYS would be microstamp capable and it's extremely unlikely that any of those guns would be used in a crime. Personally I don't believe any manufacturer will produce a microstamp ready pistol anyway.
That's what those "microstamp job shops" are for, as mentioned in the legislation.
Whatever those are.
4/20/2012 11:54:08 AM
Originally Posted By 45stops-em-quick:
That's what those "microstamp job shops" are for, as mentioned in the legislation. Whatever those are.
That's what those "microstamp job shops" are for, as mentioned in the legislation.
Whatever those are.Beats me.
4/20/2012 12:29:45 PM
4/20/2012 1:03:24 PM
Originally Posted By rkbar15:
To be fair that could be a key piece of evidence in solving the case.
Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:
So at the very best, the technology would lead police to the front door of a person who had their legal gun STOLEN. At the vert BEST that is.
So at the very best, the technology would lead police to the front door of a person who had their legal gun STOLEN. At the vert BEST that is.
To be fair that could be a key piece of evidence in solving the case.
I get the feeling that such crimes of theft very often go unsolved...and that the thieves typically offload the stolen items...and good luck tracking that chain of possession. I think I would like to know more about the general probability of finding the original perpetrator before I made a judgment, but in any event, the police will probly never make it to the front door of the original owner because they'll almost never be able to read the casing.
4/21/2012 9:04:29 AM
Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
Dana Geiger wrote it.
Originally Posted By bruzz123:
hats off to whomever wrote this.
hats off to whomever wrote this.
Dana Geiger wrote it.
yes but who is dana geiger? and better still what group(s) is dana associated with (saf, nyrp, nra, ar15.com)?????
4/21/2012 1:55:15 PM
Originally Posted By bruzz123:
yes but who is dana geiger? and better still what group(s) is dana associated with (saf, nyrp, nra, ar15.com)?????
Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
Dana Geiger wrote it.
Originally Posted By bruzz123:
hats off to whomever wrote this.
hats off to whomever wrote this.
Dana Geiger wrote it.
yes but who is dana geiger? and better still what group(s) is dana associated with (saf, nyrp, nra, ar15.com)?????
I took the challenge and googlestalked. She is easy to find. I see no evidence of affiliation with any RKBA group, but that doesn't mean there isn't.
4/21/2012 2:16:22 PM
"that piece of the puzzle" sounds like more fantasy. If that piece of the puzzle were real or of any value there's be no second crime.
"Person B stole person A's gun and used it to kill person C." Yeah… and?
If you knew who person B was, he'd be in jail and person A would have the gun back before person C got involved.
"Person B stole person A's gun and used it to kill person C." Yeah… and?
If you knew who person B was, he'd be in jail and person A would have the gun back before person C got involved.
4/21/2012 9:57:37 PM
Originally Posted By cas:
"that piece of the puzzle" sounds like more fantasy. If that piece of the puzzle were real or of any value there's be no second crime.
"Person B stole person A's gun and used it to kill person C." Yeah… and?
If you knew who person B was, he'd be in jail and person A would have the gun back before person C got involved.
"that piece of the puzzle" sounds like more fantasy. If that piece of the puzzle were real or of any value there's be no second crime.
"Person B stole person A's gun and used it to kill person C." Yeah… and?
If you knew who person B was, he'd be in jail and person A would have the gun back before person C got involved.
Now seriously, just how much legislation that's proposed, or worse yet passed isn't rooted in fantasy?
COBIS was supposed to provide this huge data base able to trace back shell caseings, but only after a decade or two or three......gee we only need to do this a little while longer before we see results ( or retirements)
