Owning a gun in New Rochelle

There's a chance I'll be moving to just outside NYC, possibly New Rochelle. Would I have to give up my guns? What would I have to do?

I own two black rifles (AK's) and some glocks.

Well, there's an AWB in effect in NY. So your rifles would have to be either pre-ban or ban-compliant. If your rifles are post-ban, you can convert them to a NY-legal configuration.
Same goes for magazines. Pre-ban or 10-rounders only.

There's no registration or permit required for rifles outside of NYC. Pistols are a different story. You can't possess a pistol in NYS without a permit. It will take about 5 months to obtain a Westchester County PP. In the mean time, you can have the pistols stored at FFL or at State Police. Or keep them in Texas and have them transferred to you once the permit is obtained.

I'm sure there are people on this site that have more info and experience then me, but this is a correct overview.

Good luck.

If your AKs are pre-ban (made before Sept. 14th 1994), then they are OK in any "evil" configuration.

If they are NOT preban...then they can only have 2 evil features...for an AR / AK, that means a detachable mag, and a pistol grip. You CAN'T have a flash hider, or a folding/tele stock, or a bayonet lug.

Handguns - You can't even bring them into New York State without a NY pistol permit...not in your car, not in your home...you have to leave them in TX, or ship them to an FFL in NY who is willing to hold them until you get your permit, then transfer them to you. Not sure about the police department holding them...But DO NOT bring them into New York state yourself!!!

Magazines - both for rifles and handguns, must be 10 rounds or less...unless the magazines were made before Sept. 14th 1994. So if they are preban, they can be any capacity.

Westchester County pistol permit info:

http://www.westchesterclerk.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=55&Itemid=47

What are the laws in NYC itself about handguns and rifles? Can you have pre-ban 30 round mags?

NO!


ETA: Do NOT, under any circumstances, consider living in NYC. FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER!

Westchester, ahh...

Long Island, ahhh....

Rockland.... ahhhh.....

Putnam or Orange Counties are much better and commutable distance to the city. Consider Putnam, especially, if you want any chance of an unrestricted CCW license. Orange is borderline (some judges will) and the others I mentioned above... restricted licenses only.

Did I mention to RULE OUT the 5 Boros of NYC completely? Please.

Have you considered Connecticut? If you're moving or job is in New Rochelle, Conn is almost a stone throw away. Or Metro North/drive if into NYC. I think you'd be fine there. Only issue is colt ARs there, IIRC

Anyone know if there are gun ranges within driving distance of New Rochelle? A place to shoot my AK and Glocks, that is. Indoor or outdoor?

BTW, what are the gun laws like in CT? Better or worse than NY?

http://parks.westchestergov.com/blue-mountain-reservation/sportsman-center

Yes CT is better but there is still a AWB but different from New York's...No mag capacity restriction, and NFA Items are allowed.....technically...

Funny thing about their NFA rules is that with their AWB, a full-auto M60 is legal but a full-auto M16 is not because it is select fire and in semi-auto mode it would violate the AWB!

I'm next door to NR. . . and guess what? There's nowhere to shoot!

Well, nowhere convenient. . .

You can go to Calverton, on the east end of LI, or up to High Rock (weekends only) in Naugatauck CT. . each is about 1-1/2 hours away, and public.. . .Calverton is very bare bones––-no shelters, no snack bar––––hell no toilets, just urinals that go into the ground, and no shooting at anything except paper targets. . High Rock let's you shoot other than paper, but it is only 100 yds long. . . .and usually packed . . . .

Welcome to shooting (or not shooting) in Westchester County. . .

There is a private club just over the county line in Putnam County––-Putnam County Fish & Game––-here's the website: http://www.pcfga.org/ That would only be about a 30––40 minute drive.. .

Stay in Texas !!!!! ... This state is a POS the criminals have more rights than you.. No money or job is worth coming to this state. You will regret coming here its not Texas for sure. I spent a year flying back and forth from the Dallas Metroplex to NYS. Great state Texas is. People are nice and toys are even nicer. You will deal with pompous asses here to say the least.


If you need to love here due to work. Look into PA and commuting.. Yes PA Taxes/housing is cheaper you can own the Toys and have a good life. Yes you will have a commute to say the least and have to pay more in Taxes due to NYS raping you for not living here good reason that you don't in the long run.

Moral of the story Don't Move to NYS..

I have 3 years and 3 months and my last kid is done High school and my wife and i are moving to Pa to get rid of the yahoos and taxes.

Westchester county and New Rochelle is a nice place to live as long as you can afford to live in the good parts. I would never move here unless I was gonna pull down 150k or more a year. If you do come you can shoot and even one day own a pistol for target but it will be shooting at small / restrictive ranges. You could commute to Long Island or PA (2 + hours) to get your shoot on when you need to.

If you do come you may spend your time trying to escape back.

+1

making my escape to Pa very soon!

When he said it will take 5 months to obtain a WCPP, he meant 5 months after the 1 year of residency required to apply.

There's nothing in the handbook about residency requirements. But you do have to provide 4 references from NYS residents and it takes a while to get acquainted with people enough to convince them to do that for you.

Can the residents be anyone? Your next-door neighbor? Friend?

Is this to get a license to own a pistol, or to carry one concealed?

The residents must be residents of the county (Westchester) and have known you for at least 1 year. They must attest to your "good moral character" and will be asked questions about whether they have known you to use drugs, alcohol, and your general disposition. The residents must not be related by blood or marriage, and they should be people of "good moral character" themselves.

This is just to own a pistol to keep in your home; it is very likely that the only permit you will receive is one with a "Target" restriction (to/from the shooting range/home).

Let's see. A friend of mine and his wife lives there in New Rochelle. I've them for more than 1 year. So they could attest to my moral character. So basically what you're saying is that I have to live there for 1 year to get to know 2 other people, and then I have to wait an additional 4-5 months or whatever to get a permit just to own a pistol in my own home?

Essentially. When I applied in 2010 there was a 1 year residency requirement; somebody else said that was no longer the case. Either way, you need 4 people who are residents of the county who have known you for a year. Once you have that, you can apply. It goes like this:

1) Pick up application and pay application fee ($10)
2) Call to make an appointment to submit your application/get fingerprinted (appointments are a 2-3 month wait, so call once you have your application)
3) Fill out application, get character references, etc.
4) Take gun-safety course (requirement)
5) Hand in application on date of appointment
6) Wait 3-6 months for them to process your app and approve/deny you

Don't forget that the character reference forms need to be notarized, which makes it more of a hassle for the people you ask.

I don't know if Westchester has the same type of restriction like Dutchess where you cant use cops,judges,court officers or elected officials.

OP, are you beginning to understand why everyone is telling you not to move here?

WC has some new requirements. You now have to show proper cause for each restriction (hunting, target shooting etc.) as well as residence/business premise licenses. For the last couple of years the WCC will mail you the application so you no longer have to make a special trip to WP to pick it up in person. Some of the forms are on the website. Why they just don't put all the forms on the site is beyond me.

http://www.westchesterclerk.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=55&Itemid=47

Oh and don't forget that you can't even touch a hand gun without a permit. So letting your family / friends shoot with you at the range is not gonna happen.

What is "proper cause"? I simply want to keep my handgun in my own home, and take it to the range for target practice. Likely won't try to conceal carry.

Check out this site: http://www.westchesterclerk.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=55&Itemid=47

Here is the attachment for Target restrictions: http://www.westchesterclerk.com/images/stories/pdf/Pistol/TARGET.pdf

It asks:


Answer those basic questions to justify your request for a target restriction; in other words, you are interested in practicing target shooting with a pistol at a shooting range.

Part of the process requires that you pay the $10 for the application fee (this receipt/proof of purchase must be submitted with your application), which is probably why they don't put that online.

Just more unnecessary and meaningless BS forms that have to be notarized. Most NY residents couldn't truthfully answer about target shooting or hunting with a handgun considering you can't currently target practice and/or hunt with a handgun. What's the point?

Other counties have all the forms online and you just submit the fee if you file the application. Some genius in the clerk's office figured out let's charge the applicant in advance (which is illegal) and if he/she doesn't turn it in we still got his $10 bucks.

You are applying for a "concealed carry" license. There is no "open carry" in NYS and you cannot legally transport a licensed handgun to/from a range with a "premises" license.

What do you mean by that?

Unless you're currently licensed you can't hunt and/or target practice in NYS. The only purpose I can think of for all these extra sworn forms are to make it as difficult as possible to apply and to possibly hang your ass down the road.

I don't think that's true (your first statement). If they ask for your interest in target shooting, you reply that your interest is to engage in target shooting in a shooting range. You don't have to be presently licensed to express a desire to engage in that behavior when it is legal to do so.

Assuming you are 21 years old or older you can't hunt or target practice with a handgun in NYS unless you have a valid NYS concealed carry license or you're an exempt LEO. What's the point of asking you to express a "desire" to hunt and/or target practice on separate sworn documents not required by the licensing law.

Westchester also now requires you to make an appointment to drop off the completed forms. . . I #@%^ you not! Unbelievable. . .

My point is that you don't have to be able to legally practice target shooting to want to target shoot. The desire to begin target shooting has nothing to do with whether you are able to do so legally at the time you express that desire.

I understand all that. You know damn well every applicant is just going to fill out the forms with the info the judge wants to see. My point is there is no valid reason to require any of those sworn statements. Proper cause is stated on the approved NYSP license application. An applicant just needs to state personal protection, target shooting, hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, trapping and all other lawful purposes. If the the judge wants to restrict it to to a specific activity that's his/her legal right to do so until the proper cause requirement is struck down in federal court on constitutional grounds.

Yes, I understand what you're saying. This is precisely what Kachalsky v. Cacace means to remedy. But until then, one needs to play by their "rules" to get approved.

By the way, what are the rules for shipping ammo to Westchester county? Likely will be staying in an apartment.

Good to Go

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