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N.Y. Concealed Permit, but can't carry while hunting with another weapon ???
3/10/2012 9:46:05 PM
Ever hear of such bulls___!. My friend received a summons this archery season when he was checked loading up his gear after a bow hunt.
Officer told him he can only have one weapon in one's possession while hunting. The judge dropped the charges as he had no previous issue's, but cost him $125.00 in court fee's..
I have to stop and ask DEC myself. If it's true I will be pissed...Been carrying my concealed pistol with me hunting for over 35 years.
Officer told him he can only have one weapon in one's possession while hunting. The judge dropped the charges as he had no previous issue's, but cost him $125.00 in court fee's..
I have to stop and ask DEC myself. If it's true I will be pissed...Been carrying my concealed pistol with me hunting for over 35 years.
3/10/2012 10:28:03 PM
You are allowed to carry your handgun in addition to your longarm during firearm season, but not during the archery season possession of a firearm while bow hunting is a not allowed.
3/10/2012 10:32:55 PM
I think that rule is particular to bowhunting. If your weapon is concealed I wouldn't see a problem, the DEC guy isn't going to toss you...
3/10/2012 10:38:11 PM
You have been lucky all those years. No firearms while open bow season.
3/10/2012 10:43:56 PM
Originally Posted By Flashbang1:
You have been lucky all those years. No firearms while open bow season.
You have been lucky all those years. No firearms while open bow season.
While Bow Hunting NO, but while hunting small game during the bow season Rimfire is OK or shotgun with bird shot.
3/10/2012 10:51:12 PM
Originally Posted By goturback:
You are allowed to carry your handgun in addition to your longarm during firearm season, but not during the archery season possession of a firearm while bow hunting is a not allowed.
You are allowed to carry your handgun in addition to your longarm during firearm season, but not during the archery season possession of a firearm while bow hunting is a not allowed.
It's really bull. I'm given a right, but they restrict the right!
3/10/2012 11:16:52 PM
Originally Posted By thompsonjoe:
It's really bull. I'm given a right, but they restrict the right!
Originally Posted By goturback:
You are allowed to carry your handgun in addition to your longarm during firearm season, but not during the archery season possession of a firearm while bow hunting is a not allowed.
You are allowed to carry your handgun in addition to your longarm during firearm season, but not during the archery season possession of a firearm while bow hunting is a not allowed.
It's really bull. I'm given a right, but they restrict the right!
Seriously, you've never heard this before? You've never read the rule book in 35 years of hunting? It's been in the book since they came up with these seasons. In the current syllabus it's on page 20 4th section, second bullet point, it's again listed on page 22 for the muzzle loading hunter, 3rd bullet point. It's also taught in the Hunter Education program in the Hunter Training Class and again in the Bowhunting class that you need to take for the bow license. You might just predate the bowcourse if you were bowhunting/buying the bow stamp since inception if you're over 55 or so.
It also applies to muzzle loading for deer.
If you're hunting one of the special seasons pursuant to a license for the "primitive" seasons, archery and muzzle loading, you may not carry an implement that doesn't meet those definitions. Why? Because some people lie and cheat. Nothing says you have to participate in those special seasons. Your rights are not infringed anymore than carrying in the post office or the court house.
Oh, it's also a misdemeanor not a violation. Pistol could have been seized and could have been melted per Penal Law as a nuisance firearm.
ETA-
pistol is a no go for bow or muzzle season hunting
pistol is ok for regular firearm hunting (even in shotgun area and can be used in lieu of the shotgun)
rimfire pistol cannot be used to dispatch big game (taking big game with a rimfire is another misdemeanor)
3/10/2012 11:34:22 PM
concealed means concealed.
3/11/2012 7:06:24 AM
I remember many many moons ago the Game Warden over in Dutchess Co. was writing up NYPD cops who are required to carry while off duty under the rules of the job. His response was "don't bow hunt then".
3/11/2012 9:59:45 AM
Originally Posted By SteelonSteel:
Seriously, you've never heard this before? You've never read the rule book in 35 years of hunting? It's been in the book since they came up with these seasons. In the current syllabus it's on page 20 4th section, second bullet point, it's again listed on page 22 for the muzzle loading hunter, 3rd bullet point. It's also taught in the Hunter Education program in the Hunter Training Class and again in the Bowhunting class that you need to take for the bow license. You might just predate the bowcourse if you were bowhunting/buying the bow stamp since inception if you're over 55 or so.
It also applies to muzzle loading for deer.
If you're hunting one of the special seasons pursuant to a license for the "primitive" seasons, archery and muzzle loading, you may not carry an implement that doesn't meet those definitions. Why? Because some people lie and cheat. Nothing says you have to participate in those special seasons. Your rights are not infringed anymore than carrying in the post office or the court house.
Oh, it's also a misdemeanor not a violation. Pistol could have been seized and could have been melted per Penal Law as a nuisance firearm.
ETA-
pistol is a no go for bow or muzzle season hunting
pistol is ok for regular firearm hunting (even in shotgun area and can be used in lieu of the shotgun)
rimfire pistol cannot be used to dispatch big game (taking big game with a rimfire is another misdemeanor)
Originally Posted By thompsonjoe:
It's really bull. I'm given a right, but they restrict the right!
Originally Posted By goturback:
You are allowed to carry your handgun in addition to your longarm during firearm season, but not during the archery season possession of a firearm while bow hunting is a not allowed.
You are allowed to carry your handgun in addition to your longarm during firearm season, but not during the archery season possession of a firearm while bow hunting is a not allowed.
It's really bull. I'm given a right, but they restrict the right!
Seriously, you've never heard this before? You've never read the rule book in 35 years of hunting? It's been in the book since they came up with these seasons. In the current syllabus it's on page 20 4th section, second bullet point, it's again listed on page 22 for the muzzle loading hunter, 3rd bullet point. It's also taught in the Hunter Education program in the Hunter Training Class and again in the Bowhunting class that you need to take for the bow license. You might just predate the bowcourse if you were bowhunting/buying the bow stamp since inception if you're over 55 or so.
It also applies to muzzle loading for deer.
If you're hunting one of the special seasons pursuant to a license for the "primitive" seasons, archery and muzzle loading, you may not carry an implement that doesn't meet those definitions. Why? Because some people lie and cheat. Nothing says you have to participate in those special seasons. Your rights are not infringed anymore than carrying in the post office or the court house.
Oh, it's also a misdemeanor not a violation. Pistol could have been seized and could have been melted per Penal Law as a nuisance firearm.
ETA-
pistol is a no go for bow or muzzle season hunting
pistol is ok for regular firearm hunting (even in shotgun area and can be used in lieu of the shotgun)
rimfire pistol cannot be used to dispatch big game (taking big game with a rimfire is another misdemeanor)
Will I claim my ignorance to the law? Yes I will.
I carry for one reason, protection. Man and beast. a couple of years back I met with 3 nasty Coyotes while going in the back yard to the chickens. I didnt fire, but I had my 380 in hand. This past archery seasons I had 3 bear hanging around my stand with bow in hand. I felt secure with my 45 on my side.
So the law says you can carry your backup pistol when you have a high powered rifle with you , but can't when you only carry a bow when alone in the wilderness.
I will still ask why? Do they think I will take my deer with a 4" pistol and then try to stick an arrow in the hole?
3/11/2012 10:33:31 AM
To be clear: no centerfire during archery season. You can have rim fire pistols or rifles during archery. It's right in the DEC rules and regs they hand out with your license.
3/11/2012 10:41:28 AM
No handguns during bow. CCW permit does not give you the ability to circumvent ECON Law
3/11/2012 10:44:54 AM
Originally Posted By PattyOSullivan:
To be clear: no centerfire during archery season. You can have rim fire pistols or rifles during archery. It's right in the DEC rules and regs they hand out with your license.
To be clear: no centerfire during archery season. You can have rim fire pistols or rifles during archery. It's right in the DEC rules and regs they hand out with your license.
Sorry, you're completely wrong. No firearms of any description while bowhunting or accompanying a person bowhunting (ETA follows) big game pursuant to an archery/license tag. If you're hunting in the regular big game season on your regular antlered deer tag, or a deer management permit (gun season) but still opt to use your bow or muzzle loader (some guys do as they like their particular specialty) you can carry your handgun and even use it if it's not a rimfire.
I used to carry my .357 ruger and a muzzle loader during the regular southern zone gun season just because I wanted to. I could not do the same in the southern zone muzzle season, I had to leave the handgun behind even with a police badge, no exemption for cops bowhunting/muzzleloading either.
3/11/2012 10:47:38 AM
Originally Posted By thompsonjoe:
Will I claim my ignorance to the law? Yes I will.
I carry for one reason, protection. Man and beast. a couple of years back I met with 3 nasty Coyotes while going in the back yard to the chickens. I didnt fire, but I had my 380 in hand. This past archery seasons I had 3 bear hanging around my stand with bow in hand. I felt secure with my 45 on my side.
So the law says you can carry your backup pistol when you have a high powered rifle with you , but can't when you only carry a bow when alone in the wilderness.
I will still ask why? Do they think I will take my deer with a 4" pistol and then try to stick an arrow in the hole?
Originally Posted By SteelonSteel:
Seriously, you've never heard this before? You've never read the rule book in 35 years of hunting? It's been in the book since they came up with these seasons. In the current syllabus it's on page 20 4th section, second bullet point, it's again listed on page 22 for the muzzle loading hunter, 3rd bullet point. It's also taught in the Hunter Education program in the Hunter Training Class and again in the Bowhunting class that you need to take for the bow license. You might just predate the bowcourse if you were bowhunting/buying the bow stamp since inception if you're over 55 or so.
It also applies to muzzle loading for deer.
If you're hunting one of the special seasons pursuant to a license for the "primitive" seasons, archery and muzzle loading, you may not carry an implement that doesn't meet those definitions. Why? Because some people lie and cheat. Nothing says you have to participate in those special seasons. Your rights are not infringed anymore than carrying in the post office or the court house.
Oh, it's also a misdemeanor not a violation. Pistol could have been seized and could have been melted per Penal Law as a nuisance firearm.
ETA-
pistol is a no go for bow or muzzle season hunting
pistol is ok for regular firearm hunting (even in shotgun area and can be used in lieu of the shotgun)
rimfire pistol cannot be used to dispatch big game (taking big game with a rimfire is another misdemeanor)
Originally Posted By thompsonjoe:
It's really bull. I'm given a right, but they restrict the right!
Originally Posted By goturback:
You are allowed to carry your handgun in addition to your longarm during firearm season, but not during the archery season possession of a firearm while bow hunting is a not allowed.
You are allowed to carry your handgun in addition to your longarm during firearm season, but not during the archery season possession of a firearm while bow hunting is a not allowed.
It's really bull. I'm given a right, but they restrict the right!
Seriously, you've never heard this before? You've never read the rule book in 35 years of hunting? It's been in the book since they came up with these seasons. In the current syllabus it's on page 20 4th section, second bullet point, it's again listed on page 22 for the muzzle loading hunter, 3rd bullet point. It's also taught in the Hunter Education program in the Hunter Training Class and again in the Bowhunting class that you need to take for the bow license. You might just predate the bowcourse if you were bowhunting/buying the bow stamp since inception if you're over 55 or so.
It also applies to muzzle loading for deer.
If you're hunting one of the special seasons pursuant to a license for the "primitive" seasons, archery and muzzle loading, you may not carry an implement that doesn't meet those definitions. Why? Because some people lie and cheat. Nothing says you have to participate in those special seasons. Your rights are not infringed anymore than carrying in the post office or the court house.
Oh, it's also a misdemeanor not a violation. Pistol could have been seized and could have been melted per Penal Law as a nuisance firearm.
ETA-
pistol is a no go for bow or muzzle season hunting
pistol is ok for regular firearm hunting (even in shotgun area and can be used in lieu of the shotgun)
rimfire pistol cannot be used to dispatch big game (taking big game with a rimfire is another misdemeanor)
Will I claim my ignorance to the law? Yes I will.
I carry for one reason, protection. Man and beast. a couple of years back I met with 3 nasty Coyotes while going in the back yard to the chickens. I didnt fire, but I had my 380 in hand. This past archery seasons I had 3 bear hanging around my stand with bow in hand. I felt secure with my 45 on my side.
So the law says you can carry your backup pistol when you have a high powered rifle with you , but can't when you only carry a bow when alone in the wilderness.
I will still ask why? Do they think I will take my deer with a 4" pistol and then try to stick an arrow in the hole?
Exactly, it's been done in the past and still happens.
ETA- Thompson Joe, put the gameguide syllabus in the bathroom for reading material.
Seriously, it's a good place to catch up on the changes and reread stuff you forgot about, I do.
3/11/2012 2:08:35 PM
Bears don't write tickets. 
3/11/2012 2:11:29 PM
I agree I was ignorant to the Law, but it's a shame that certain As_____'s ruin-in things for others ( as in shooting it with a firearm and then sticking a arrow in the hole )
But I still disagree with it !
Movin forward again.
But I still disagree with it !
Movin forward again.
3/11/2012 6:10:58 PM
My friend was stopped by a Warden (had to be 30 YEARS ago) and got lectured because his Dad was bowhunting
and he was squirrel hunting with a 22. They were apart all day but walked across a field on the way out (As Father's
and sons will do...) and at that time a warden happened to drive by and see them. Times were different then and they
got a lecture but no ticket and a warning not to do it again.
Truth be told all he did was push deer for his Dad on stand all day long. All season long. When he happened to see a
red/grey squirrel he popped them, but the reality was that he was assisting a bowhunter while afield in bow season with
a rifle. Theres THE reason he knows that 600 acre dairy farm (families private land) and 1000 state land like the back
of his hand
and he was squirrel hunting with a 22. They were apart all day but walked across a field on the way out (As Father's
and sons will do...) and at that time a warden happened to drive by and see them. Times were different then and they
got a lecture but no ticket and a warning not to do it again.
Truth be told all he did was push deer for his Dad on stand all day long. All season long. When he happened to see a
red/grey squirrel he popped them, but the reality was that he was assisting a bowhunter while afield in bow season with
a rifle. Theres THE reason he knows that 600 acre dairy farm (families private land) and 1000 state land like the back
of his hand
3/11/2012 6:12:30 PM
They even told us in bowhunt ed. no pistols allowed. I'm pretty sure LEO are exempt.
3/11/2012 8:39:17 PM
Originally Posted By cas:
Bears don't write tickets.
Bears don't write tickets.
Smokey bear does
3/11/2012 9:00:14 PM
Originally Posted By thompsonjoe:
I agree I was ignorant to the Law, but it's a shame that certain As_____'s ruin-in things for others ( as in shooting it with a firearm and then sticking a arrow in the hole )
But I still disagree with it !
Movin forward again.
and knowing is half they battle they say.....I agree I was ignorant to the Law, but it's a shame that certain As_____'s ruin-in things for others ( as in shooting it with a firearm and then sticking a arrow in the hole )
But I still disagree with it !
Movin forward again.
Agreed, half the rule book could be scrapped if there wasn't a bunch of selfish slobs ruining it for the honest guys and gals. Then again, with less rules, there's less ways to cheat to break them.
You have no idea how many useless rules are proposed by "educated persons" to fix things that aren't broken, couldn't fix the problem effectively with their half thought out fix. There is a group that pushes for less rules, more simplification of rules and practical rules.
3/12/2012 6:01:05 PM
Originally Posted By Patrick101:
Smokey bear does
Originally Posted By cas:
Bears don't write tickets.
Bears don't write tickets.
Smokey bear does
Better to be judged my 12 than chewed by 1.
3/12/2012 7:26:31 PM
I am not advocating that anyone ignore DEC hunting regs but a quick story if I may. A friend was out bow hunting deer in the afternoon. He got down from his tree stand at sunset and started to make his way out of the woods. It was a considerable distance back to his vehicle and it became quite dark while he was en route. One his way out he was surrounded by a pack of coyotes who he could hear yipping all around him. He made it back to his truck unscathed but much distressed by his trip out of the woods. He was wishing mightily on his exit that he was armed with more than a compound bow and a quiver of arrows. Take from his experience what you will. My opinion is that the DEC regulation is a very stupid rule. YMMV
3/12/2012 7:38:32 PM
I t exists to prevent poaching. You can always just use your bow during gun season if you need the protection.
3/12/2012 10:34:17 PM
My dad was busted years back with his best friend for just stepping out of the same truck. He had his bow and friend had a shotgun for bird hunting. Their intentions were to drive to the same parking spot and go their separate ways. They got nailed just for being together with both implements at the same time. They where brought to the judge but just had to pay a fine. Since we have a lot f guy who small game hunt during the bow season we go so far as to take separate cars for bows/shotguns now.
I really don't think this infringes on any rights. Its a DEC regulation for bowhunting. We have to follow 100s of these regulations for hunting why is this one any different?
3/12/2012 10:44:28 PM
Plenty of two and four leg critters that pose a threat to hunters afield and getting from the field to the truck. Many states have reversed laws similar to NY's for just this reason. Here's a better idea. Instead of prohibiting a concealed handgun, just make the penalty for poaching that much harsher if you use a firearm against a deer during bow season. Instead of penalizing the majority, address the minority of dopes who poach under the guise of bowhunting.
Just my .02
Just my .02
3/18/2012 6:14:42 PM
What do I do if I have a suffering deer that I shot with an arrow? Let him bleed out? Pretty missed up when I think it would be fair enough to put him out of his misery with my CCW. Oh well, I can't shoot a bow anyway lol.
3/18/2012 6:50:25 PM
Break it's neck or slit it's throat buuuuut a person can get seriuosly injured or killed doing that due the the thrashing of deer legs, hooves poking or antlers impaling if it's a buck.
3/19/2012 4:52:59 AM
Originally Posted By scpd92:
Plenty of two and four leg critters that pose a threat to hunters afield and getting from the field to the truck. Many states have reversed laws similar to NY's for just this reason. Here's a better idea. Instead of prohibiting a concealed handgun, just make the penalty for poaching that much harsher if you use a firearm against a deer during bow season. Instead of penalizing the majority, address the minority of dopes who poach under the guise of bowhunting.
Just my .02
Plenty of two and four leg critters that pose a threat to hunters afield and getting from the field to the truck. Many states have reversed laws similar to NY's for just this reason. Here's a better idea. Instead of prohibiting a concealed handgun, just make the penalty for poaching that much harsher if you use a firearm against a deer during bow season. Instead of penalizing the majority, address the minority of dopes who poach under the guise of bowhunting.
Just my .02
you sir can never be a politician as you speak with too much truth, but just wish our officials had that much common sense
