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Is a NYS CCW good enough to travel through a NYC airport?
2/23/2012 11:09:51 PM
Subject says it all. Will a NYS CCW holder who checks in a locked/unloaded handgun at a NYC airport get arrested just like an out of state traveller?
2/23/2012 11:13:02 PM
Originally Posted By Bill_Wallace:
Subject says it all. Will a NYS CCW holder who checks in a locked/unloaded handgun at a NYC airport get arrested just like an out of state traveller?
Subject says it all. Will a NYS CCW holder who checks in a locked/unloaded handgun at a NYC airport get arrested just like an out of state traveller?
Yup, happens all the time.
2/23/2012 11:17:24 PM
Which? People traveling or people getting arrested?
2/23/2012 11:29:51 PM
Originally Posted By Bill_Wallace:
Which? People traveling or people getting arrested?
Which? People traveling or people getting arrested?
Sorry, that wasn't clear was it. I've read of a few instances of NY'ers going to NYC to fly out and trying to check their firearms and being arrested. Same with out of state guys flying in.
It says right there on your licence, not valid in NYC.
2/23/2012 11:36:50 PM
no go. nyc is off limits without a special permit
2/23/2012 11:36:57 PM
It says right there on your licence, not valid in NYC.[/quote]
2/23/2012 11:45:01 PM
Do non-NYC NY airports accept NYS CCW? Does NYS itself honor NYS CCWs? :)
Sorry, couldn't help it. This is all so dumb.
Sorry, couldn't help it. This is all so dumb.
2/23/2012 11:53:28 PM
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Call the PAPD. Speak w/ a Sgt. or Lt. at the particular airport you plan on flying out of. Get the PAPD bosses name. Go to the TSA and the individual airline website and print out everything they have on travelling with a firearm. Follow those rules explicitly. Do not stop, do not pass go, do not stay over night in or make any detours within NYC or NJ with your firearm in your luggage. Additionally, google peaceable journey laws and look for the federal guidelines. It can be done, but leave PLENTY of extra time to allow for PAPD, TSA and the airline to do their respective inspection of your firearm, permit etc. It would be helpful if you have an out of state permit for the state you are travelling to or a training/match itinerary to justify why you are bringing a firearm to another state. It can be done, just do your homework and proceed accordingly.
Felicia Arias
Matrix Development Group
973 624-8500
farias@matrixcompanies.com
Port Authority Police Department (PAPD)
General PAPD Inquiries: 201 239-3500
Call the PAPD. Speak w/ a Sgt. or Lt. at the particular airport you plan on flying out of. Get the PAPD bosses name. Go to the TSA and the individual airline website and print out everything they have on travelling with a firearm. Follow those rules explicitly. Do not stop, do not pass go, do not stay over night in or make any detours within NYC or NJ with your firearm in your luggage. Additionally, google peaceable journey laws and look for the federal guidelines. It can be done, but leave PLENTY of extra time to allow for PAPD, TSA and the airline to do their respective inspection of your firearm, permit etc. It would be helpful if you have an out of state permit for the state you are travelling to or a training/match itinerary to justify why you are bringing a firearm to another state. It can be done, just do your homework and proceed accordingly.
2/24/2012 6:56:02 AM
Yes, with a NYS license you can transport pistol unloaded and locked up.
See PLS 400. http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgi?COMMONQUERY=LAWS
See PLS 400. http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgi?COMMONQUERY=LAWS
2/24/2012 7:28:56 AM
I fly out of Newark, La Guardia, JFK, and HPN at least 10x a year with my guns, and never had a problem.
2/24/2012 8:19:43 AM
Originally Posted By Phoenixx:
no go. nyc is off limits without a special permit
no go. nyc is off limits without a special permit
Originally Posted By stevejg1:
It says right there on your licence, not valid in NYC.
It says right there on your licence, not valid in NYC.
A NYS issued CCL is valid to transport an unloaded licensed handgun in a locked container (separate from the ammunition) through the City of NY. You can also transport to/from a NYC gunsmith or purchase a handgun from a NYC dealer.
2/24/2012 9:11:04 AM
Originally Posted By nyrkba:
Yes, with a NYS license you can transport pistol unloaded and locked up.
See PLS 400. http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgi?COMMONQUERY=LAWS
Yes, with a NYS license you can transport pistol unloaded and locked up.
See PLS 400. http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgi?COMMONQUERY=LAWS
this plus as long as it legal for you to carry in the place your going to.
2/24/2012 9:36:14 AM
Perfectly legal!
I am surprised a lot of you thought it was a no go.
People with NY State CCW licenses fly out of NYC airports all the time. Just follow the laws of transporting legally.
I am surprised a lot of you thought it was a no go.
People with NY State CCW licenses fly out of NYC airports all the time. Just follow the laws of transporting legally.
2/24/2012 4:23:32 PM
do not do this, you will get arrested
2/24/2012 4:37:30 PM
Originally Posted By pwr2al4:
do not do this, you will get arrested
do not do this, you will get arrested
Not true. I have done it. Other members here have done it. Perfectly legal.
2/25/2012 9:20:03 AM
I've done it a few times, both times the PA officer flipped and was ready to take me into custody. I had called the watch command office in advance and found out who the scheduled watch commander was. Spoke to the watch commander in advance and gave him my information, over the phone and by fax. Had a copy of the fax with me, and asked the officer to call watch command. Watch command cleared it. Officer took down my name, pistol per MIT number, and the seals off the handguns and put them in his log book. I assume he wrote up some report at the end of his shift.
The scary thing was after all that. He carried my bag to TSA, who checked th gun, and then walked me and my bag around the metal detector and to the gate where they HANDED me my bag with the pistols in it. I asked her what in the blue fuck she was doing. She assumed because I had firearms that I was a federal LEO and would be carrying on th flight.
I told her no, and the bag needed to be checked as I am not law enforcement. The lovely TSA agent than asked me,"but you got a gun, why you got a gun if you ain't no cop?"
The scary thing was after all that. He carried my bag to TSA, who checked th gun, and then walked me and my bag around the metal detector and to the gate where they HANDED me my bag with the pistols in it. I asked her what in the blue fuck she was doing. She assumed because I had firearms that I was a federal LEO and would be carrying on th flight.
I told her no, and the bag needed to be checked as I am not law enforcement. The lovely TSA agent than asked me,"but you got a gun, why you got a gun if you ain't no cop?"
2/25/2012 9:55:44 AM
Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
I've done it a few times, both times the PA officer flipped and was ready to take me into custody. I had called the watch command office in advance and found out who the scheduled watch commander was. Spoke to the watch commander in advance and gave him my information, over the phone and by fax. Had a copy of the fax with me, and asked the officer to call watch command. Watch command cleared it. Officer took down my name, pistol per MIT number, and the seals off the handguns and put them in his log book. I assume he wrote up some report at the end of his shift.
The scary thing was after all that. He carried my bag to TSA, who checked th gun, and then walked me and my bag around the metal detector and to the gate where they HANDED me my bag with the pistols in it. I asked her what in the blue fuck she was doing. She assumed because I had firearms that I was a federal LEO and would be carrying on th flight.
I told her no, and the bag needed to be checked as I am not law enforcement. The lovely TSA agent than asked me,"but you got a gun, why you got a gun if you ain't no cop?"
I've done it a few times, both times the PA officer flipped and was ready to take me into custody. I had called the watch command office in advance and found out who the scheduled watch commander was. Spoke to the watch commander in advance and gave him my information, over the phone and by fax. Had a copy of the fax with me, and asked the officer to call watch command. Watch command cleared it. Officer took down my name, pistol per MIT number, and the seals off the handguns and put them in his log book. I assume he wrote up some report at the end of his shift.
The scary thing was after all that. He carried my bag to TSA, who checked th gun, and then walked me and my bag around the metal detector and to the gate where they HANDED me my bag with the pistols in it. I asked her what in the blue fuck she was doing. She assumed because I had firearms that I was a federal LEO and would be carrying on th flight.
I told her no, and the bag needed to be checked as I am not law enforcement. The lovely TSA agent than asked me,"but you got a gun, why you got a gun if you ain't no cop?"
Wow. As unbelieveable as that all sounds, it also sounds perfectly believeable, if that makes any sense.
2/25/2012 10:06:48 AM
I'm not sure if he is still there, it's been probably 4.5 years since I flew out of one of h NYC airports, but I dealt with Watch Commander Mancuso or Mancusa. Really good guy. I think one of the reasons he was so receptive was I was with the governor's office at the time. Having those credentials on me probably helped with the skittish officers, at least in so far as not ending up detained while they took their sweet time to figure it out.
Just make sure your ducks are in a row before you get there, and you give yourself at least an extra hour just in case.
Just make sure your ducks are in a row before you get there, and you give yourself at least an extra hour just in case.
2/25/2012 10:43:48 AM
My friend with a Nassau permit had no problem flying out of JFK with a gun. PAPD handled it in under 5 minutes.
2/25/2012 11:02:34 AM
Originally Posted By Extorris:
My friend with a Nassau permit had no problem flying out of JFK with a gun. PAPD handled it in under 5 minutes.
My friend with a Nassau permit had no problem flying out of JFK with a gun. PAPD handled it in under 5 minutes.
Good to hear, maybe they've got the procedures down. Both officers I dealt with were young, dumb, and full of cum. Maybe it's luck of the draw as to which officer comes to the ticket counter.
2/25/2012 11:41:17 AM
In my less than humble opinion, and this is based upon 24 years of residency and multiple flights out of NY airports; the only pre-requisite for becoming employed at the Airport is the ability to spell your name the same way twice.
Minimal wages being paid to people that have little stature in life are suddenly given the power over other peoples lives, which 9 out of 10 times transforms them into empowered dicks.
You see it all the time; give 'em a badge & radio and suddenly they're Tackleberry....why do you think they are scripted to the point where they need a supervisor to go take a pee? God forbid that you tell them to get a Supervisor, as that damages their fragile ego by implying that they aren't capable of making a common sense decision.
Henceforth I resolve to only fly commercial in the gravest, most extreme of circumstances.
Minimal wages being paid to people that have little stature in life are suddenly given the power over other peoples lives, which 9 out of 10 times transforms them into empowered dicks.
You see it all the time; give 'em a badge & radio and suddenly they're Tackleberry....why do you think they are scripted to the point where they need a supervisor to go take a pee? God forbid that you tell them to get a Supervisor, as that damages their fragile ego by implying that they aren't capable of making a common sense decision.
Henceforth I resolve to only fly commercial in the gravest, most extreme of circumstances.
2/25/2012 7:44:42 PM
This problem is about 2-5 years away from being abolished through the courts.
2/25/2012 8:32:07 PM
Originally Posted By fp1201:
In my less than humble opinion, and this is based upon 24 years of residency and multiple flights out of NY airports; the only pre-requisite for becoming employed at the Airport is the ability to spell your name the same way twice.
Minimal wages being paid to people .......
In my less than humble opinion, and this is based upon 24 years of residency and multiple flights out of NY airports; the only pre-requisite for becoming employed at the Airport is the ability to spell your name the same way twice.
Minimal wages being paid to people .......
PAPD are one of the highest paid departments in the country. I'd gladly take their minimal wage.
Originally Posted By Addicted2Fish:
This problem is about 2-5 years away from being abolished through the courts.
This problem is about 2-5 years away from being abolished through the courts.
2/26/2012 1:24:18 AM
Originally Posted By Extorris:
PAPD are one of the highest paid departments in the country. I'd gladly take their minimal wage.
Originally Posted By fp1201:
In my less than humble opinion, and this is based upon 24 years of residency and multiple flights out of NY airports; the only pre-requisite for becoming employed at the Airport is the ability to spell your name the same way twice.
Minimal wages being paid to people .......
In my less than humble opinion, and this is based upon 24 years of residency and multiple flights out of NY airports; the only pre-requisite for becoming employed at the Airport is the ability to spell your name the same way twice.
Minimal wages being paid to people .......
PAPD are one of the highest paid departments in the country. I'd gladly take their minimal wage.
Originally Posted By Addicted2Fish:
This problem is about 2-5 years away from being abolished through the courts.
This problem is about 2-5 years away from being abolished through the courts.
i think he means TSA, and I wholeheartedly agree. TSA as a whole is a bunch of morons.
2/26/2012 3:36:56 PM
I wouldn't do it with these assholes running around...
http://www.examiner.com/homeland-security-in-national/unwitting-airline-passengers-robbed-of-their-second-amendment-rights-nyc
2/26/2012 6:41:45 PM
Originally Posted By carlschmarl2:
I wouldn't do it with these assholes running around...
http://www.examiner.com/homeland-security-in-national/unwitting-airline-passengers-robbed-of-their-second-amendment-rights-nyc
I wouldn't do it with these assholes running around...
http://www.examiner.com/homeland-security-in-national/unwitting-airline-passengers-robbed-of-their-second-amendment-rights-nyc
That has nothing to to with NYS pistol licensee's who are lawfully transporting their licensed/registered handguns in/out/through NYC airports.
2/26/2012 6:42:14 PM
Originally Posted By carlschmarl2:
I wouldn't do it with these assholes running around...
http://www.examiner.com/homeland-security-in-national/unwitting-airline-passengers-robbed-of-their-second-amendment-rights-nyc
I wouldn't do it with these assholes running around...
http://www.examiner.com/homeland-security-in-national/unwitting-airline-passengers-robbed-of-their-second-amendment-rights-nyc
Scary story but not quite the same as the OP asked regarding possession of a NYS issued CCW:
"Guercci knew the strict New York rules and traveled via taxi to LaGuardia airport from Connecticut. He thought he was following the in-transit law."
Apparently he did not have a New York State permit as the OP asked about. Granted he should have been protected by Federal law but we have known for some time now that New York does not observe Federal law unless it suits it.
