Kel Tec Shotgun ALERT

I'm hearing "the keltec shotgun is now considered a law enforcement only weapon by NYSP"

Does that mean the GIU will be visiting civi KSG owners?

Hearing it from ... ?

Given the current administration, a 10/22 is "Law Enforcement Only" [>://
The NYSRPA and NRA try to educate before these quasi politicians make such determinations, but before they can go to Court there has to be a body that's been directly effected and willing to stand the difficulties of a lengthy trial.

Are they going to ban my remington 870 police issued shotgun? The logic hard to grasp for the leo only tag.

Sonofa.....

I have specifically talked with Sgt Sherman on this in the past and the consensus was that the KSG was good to go, I will check with him on Monday and post.

In for the outcome.

also im for an outcome

This is very interesting and opens up all kinds of questions, Kel Tec aside.

First would be under what authority? I thought laws were made by the legislature, not made up by the state police? The penal law spells out that what assault weapons are, "class 3" stuff etc, etc and NY's strange use and definition on what a "firearm" is (even if it does so poorly), What does "Law enforcement only" mean from a legal standpoint?
Where is that written in the PL?

So, who has them in stock?

on what basis?

This should be of huge concern to all 6 KSG owners worldwide, one can only marvel at Kel-tec's stellar manufacturing and order fulfillment process.

I too am interested to hear what he has to say as in the past I believe I also read that he said it was fine as you have to physically change the lever over to use both tubes. However, police merely enforce the laws, they do not interpret them. So regardless of what he says, his word is not 100%, but probably as close as we can get to an official ruling in NY without getting the courts involved.

If by any chance he says that it is good to go, see if you could get him to put it in writing, that would probably make a lot of people feel a lot more comfortable about attempting to purchase one.

It wouldn't be binding in any way whatsoever.


I saw one at a Connecticut dealer the other day.

I'm going to go out on a limb here: The OP indicated it was a SP decision that the Kel-Tec was illegal.
It was the Superintendent of the NYSP that said "Mare's Legs" were NOT pistols, but short barreled rifles.
And it's the interpretation of certain persons within the NYSP that determine if a firearm is in violation of New York Law. No disrespect to Natty or other SP, but it would seem Law Enforcement very much does interpret the laws while conversely not issuing an opinions or admissible determination to the general public.

Well that's another "toy" to cross off the list.
I got rid of my Ranch hand,because I didn't want to deal with BS,
but can still play with it in NC. My dad just had to add it to my "NC collection".

Back in the good old days, our forefathers envisioned a separation of power. That is now a joke.

Many oversight agencies- BATF, USFWS, etc now have armed policing divisions, which violate the principle of this separation of power. Heck even the Dept. of Education has an armed force!

Others, such as FCC, OSHA, etc I'm not sure if they are armed or not.

In any event, these oversight agencies have long operated with de facto legislative powers that they also enforce. Sounds rather Gestapo, but that's the way it is.

Surprised? It's not just US agencies. The Lacey Act delegates legislative powers to- get this- foreign governments! I am not making this up. Foreign governments, via Lacey Act, can, at a whim, change US laws enforced by armed fish & wildlife and US Border & Protection! Sadly, that is not the sole case.

On the one hand, it makes sense. For example, the legislature voted to make it illegal to hunt outside of hunting season; it's left to DEC to determine when the season is for a given animal. On the other hand we have this situation- NYSP making decisions on what is and what is not legal; to compound the problem, NYSP will NOT put it in writing. So we have a policing agency that makes legislative decisions but won't tell anybody what they are. Jefferson would have had a heart attack if he knew this was coming.

^ As the t-shirt says…. "Our forefathers would be shooting by now."

Damn I was able to get 11 Aquila mini shot shells in each tube. Of course that was before yesterday's boating accident.

Snakes!!!!!!!

I hate to say it but you're right....just look at the TSA and what they've done, and how little that can be done to reign them in....they started out as "protection from terrorists" now who's going to protect us from them.

For a bunch of guys who live on an island we have to be the worst boaters in the world!

You do know that you're required by the Coast Guard, Marine Patrol, State Police, Sheriffs Office, Homeland Security, TSA, Port Authority, DEA, ATF, FBI, the local Po-Po, and the Boy Scouts to file accident reports with each....doesn't matter you only tipped your canoe, it was still an accident that must be investigated so citations can be issued.

Yeah I figured as much, lucky for me it wasnt a tip over or an accident at all really. It was just an error in judgement on my part where I lost 2 poles a tackle box and my beloved KSG in the wake of a passing ship.

Oh, so this was in International waters?

I LOL'ed. BTW you should have heard the Kel-Tech rep I spoke to in SHOT show. When will we see these on gun store shelves. No lie "We got 3200 orders the first week we put them out, I would expect it will take 6-8 months to catch up."

Brilliant marketing. Apple does the same thing in order to control demand.

Perhaps Kel-Tech can answer that question. I mean gun makers get a list of states/cities/municipalities where their products are legal don't they?

They were completely legal, and still may very well be. I'd like to know out of what office this rumor started.

Not True

Thank you for checking

I know I'm bringing this thread back sorry but just wondering why some websites won't ship the ksg to ny ?
Cheapest I found was $562 but out of stock

Dealers scared of NY laws, Bloomberg's straw buyers, etc.

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