Originally Posted By bnb223:
I would say no chance at all.

Originally Posted By SteelonSteel:
I did this course a couple years ago. If you want to shoot service rifle and want to learn how to accurately apply your AR15 service rifle with sling at distance you will take away some great skillsets.

I'm still amazed after decades of shooting at how many long time gun owners have no idea how to use a sling to aid their shooting. Become one of the 1% of riflemen who can hit the black at 600 yards without a sandbag, bipod, and 24X scope!

Originally Posted By bnb223:
Here are the details for the 2012 NY SAFS at the Peconic River Sportsman's Club, Wading River, NY. This will be the only SAFS in NY this year and we expect the event will sell out rather quickly, so if you have been looking to attend, register now! The information is below and the registration form can be downloaded in either Word or PDF version at: SAFS Form (Word) or SAFS Form (PDF)


PROGRAM and REGISTRATION FORM

U.S. SERVICE RIFLE SMALL ARMS FIRING SCHOOL

SATURDAY & SUNDAY, April 21 & 22, 2012 at the
PECONIC RIVER SPORTSMAN'S CLUB
MANORVILLE, NY

Approved by the
CIVILIAN MARKSMANSHIP PROGRAM (CMP)

Sponsored by NYS Rifle and Pistol Association
Hosted by Peconic River Sportsman’s Club, Inc.

For the benefit of
NEW YORK STATE SERVICE RIFLE TEAM
A part of the proceeds from this event will be donated to the
NYSRPA Service Rifle Team to support their efforts in the National Trophy
Rifle Matches at Camp Perry

SAFS TIMES: SATURDAY 8:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M., Seminar Phase
SUNDAY 8:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M., Range Firing
Students should arrive not later than 7:30 A.M. each day.

SAFS OBJECTIVE
The SAFS is an entry level program designed as an introduction to the sport of
High Power Rifle Competition for new participants. It is also for persons interested
in improving their shooting skills who are currently involved in High Power Rifle competitions. Recreational shooters and shooters from other disciplines will also benefit from this course. As a result of this training, the shooter should be able to enter and safely participate in High Power Rifle Competitions.

SAFS DESCRIPTION
The SAFS is conducted by a team of highly qualified retired U.S. Armed
Forces, Civilian NRA nationally ranked competitors, CMP Distinguished Riflemen, and High Power Rifle Instructor/Shooters augmented by volunteer rifle competitors from local clubs. The training emphasizes Range & Firearms Safety, Service Rifle
Marksmanship Fundamentals and Techniques, Match Operations and Procedures,
Zeroing, and Operation of the U.S. Service Rifle AR-15 A-2 (M16). The training includes classroom instruction and closely supervised Dry Fire and Live Fire instruction.
Training is under individual trainer/coaches.
NOTE THAT ONLY THE AR15 A-2 WILL BE USED FOR THESE CLASSES!

RAIN/ALTERNATE DATE FOR SUNDAY FIRING
In the event of a weather cancellation of firing, participants may elect to
fire on the monthly PRSC League Match on 29 April.

ELIGIBILITY
This event is open to the public. All adult civilian participants must be NYSRPA members.
A $5.00 NYSRPA membership discount will be given to new adult NYSRPA members. The discounted $20.00 membership fee can be paid at the door.
High Power Rifle competition is a sport requiring stamina and physical flexibility.
All participants should be in good health and in reasonably good physical condition and be able to assume the prone and sitting firing positions for sustained periods of time.
Youths must be at least 14 years old. All applicants must have some previous experience and familiarity with firearms. This course is NOT for persons who have never handled firearms.

REGISTRATION FEES
Adult Civilians: $60.00
U.S. Armed Forces (active): $50.00
Youths 14 thru 19: $30.00

ENTRIES ARE LIMITED
The first 110 paid entries will be squadded for Sunday firing.


REGISTRATION PROCEDURE
• Mail in registration is required for all students, escorting adults and sponsors (see
registration form enclosed)
• Complete form and mail with check or money order.
• Registration must be accompanied by full fees and entry form.
• Registration for must be received by April 14, 2012
• Cancellations received prior to the above deadlines will receive a full refund
• Registrations will be confirmed via e-mail if received by the above deadlines. If you do
not have e-mail enclose a self addressed stamped envelope for confirmation.

THERE WILL BE NO REFUNDS FOR NO SHOWS.

CONDITIONS:
• Participants are required to comply with all safety rules and instructions.
• Students are required to attend and participate in the complete seminar training on
Saturday in order to shoot on Sunday.
• All youths under age 16 must be accompanied by an adult sponsor or youth group leader.
One (1) adult may sponsor and accompany a group.
• Youths under 16 years old must be accompanied by a parent or legal guardian or submit
written parental permission and be accompanied by a responsible adult as required by NYS Penal Law, section 265.20.
• All students are required to act as scorers and target operators.


RIFLES USED FOR THE SAFS AND FOR LOAN


• This training is limited to the U.S. Service Rifles, M16 (AR-15) in the A-2 configuration or commercial equivalents with as issued iron sights. National Match AR-15s will be available for loan at no charge.
• Students borrowing rifles are required to provide factory ammunition only. Reloaded ammunition is prohibited in borrowed rifles. No other ammunition will be fired from borrowed rifles. You may purchase caliber .223 ammunition which will be sold for fair market value (minimum of $25 for 50 rounds).. These prices are subject to change. Students are encouraged to bring their own service rifles both days.
• Personal firearms must not be brought into the classroom. Personal rifles should be brought to
the afternoon dry fire training. Rifles with “muzzle brakes” are prohibited in NRA & CMP competition and are not to be used for this course.

AMMUNITION
• Live ammunition must not be brought to the Saturday seminar. Armor piercing, incendiary and
tracer ammunition is not allowed. Fifty (50) rounds of ammunition are required per shooter for the qualification live fire match..

CERTIFICATES OF TRAINING
• A “certificate of training” will be issued to each student that completes both phases of training. The
“certificate of training,” issued by a CMP authorized SAFS, fulfills one of the requirements for
Purchase of a U.S. Army surplus service grade M-1 from the CMP.

EQUIPMENT & CLOTHING
• Hearing and eye protection are mandatory for the firing phase. A limited number of shooting
coats, and mats are available for loan to students. Students are encouraged to bring
their own shooting equipment and clothing to include: rifleman jackets, spotting scopes or field
glasses. Bring your equipment on Saturday as we will conduct in position dry fire exercises. Students should wear appropriate outdoor clothing both days to include; warm clothing, sweaters, sweat shirts, denim or heavy cloth trousers, boots, hats and rain gear. All students should bring a work type or heavy winter glove for their support hand to pad the pressure of the rifle sling when in position. Students should bring a notebook and pen.

• NO FOOD SERVICE WILL BE AVAILABLE. Students must bring their own breakfast, lunch, snacks, beverages, etc. each day.

LODGING
• PECONIC. There are hotels and motels in the Riverhead area which is about 10 minutes from the club.


DIRECTIONS
PECONIC - LIE (Route 495) to exit 69. North (left) on Wading River Road about 4 miles to
Grumman Blvd. (chain link fence). See signs for L.I. Sky Dive. Go east (right) on Grumman Blvd. 2 & 3/4 miles to PRSC entrance (on right). Enter gate and follow signs and guides. DRIVE SLOW on club property!
Speed limit 5 MPH! Follow these directions. Do not use GPS for this location.


POINT OF CONTACT
Ed Walden: 51 Glenwood Drive, Hauppauge, N.Y. 11788
email: waldo189@optonline.net (631) 543-4745 • CALL BETWEEN 7-9 PM ONLY.


U.S. SERVICE RIFLE, SMALL ARMS FIRING SCHOOL
REGISTRATION FORM

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LAST NAME, FIRST, MI

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NYSRPA MEMBER NUMBER (required for all civilian adult participants)

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STREET ADDRESS

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CITY/TOWN STATE ZIP CODE

PHONE ...............................EMAIL ......................................................................................................


CLUB OR ORGANIZATION AFFILIATION ...................................................................................


UNIT and RANK (U.S. Armed Forces only active duty).......................................................................

Applicant Category (circle one):

Youth (#)(*) Youth (*) Sponsor US Armed Adult
(14 to 16 yrs.) (17 thru 19 yrs.) (Non-participant) Forces Civilian
# Required to submit letter of parental consent and be accompanied by parent or guardian or youth group leader.
* Required to provide name, address and phone number of sponsoring adult or youth group leader.
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NAME, PHONE AND ADDRESS OF PARENT, GUARDIAN, SPONSOR OR LEADER


FIREARMS EXPERIENCE (circle all applicable):

Armed ForcesPolice Target Hunting RiflePistol Shotgun Air Gun

NOTE that ONLY AR-15 A-2 rifles will be allowed at these events. Muzzle brakes are not permitted in CMP or NRA competition. Flash hider (pre-ban) is permitted.
Please check the appropriate box below regarding the need of a loaner rifle:

I will bring my own AR15 A-2:

I need the loan of an AR15 A-2:

***Fees must accompany applications except for nonparticipating adult sponsors and volunteers
Peconic River Sportsman’s Club SAFS 21 & 22 April, 2012, mail entries to:
Ed Walden, 51 Glenwood Drive, Hauppauge, N.Y. 11788
Make checks or money orders payable to the Peconic River Sportsman’s Club

Payment enclosed in the amount of: $60.00 (AC) $50.00 (U.S. Active duty) $30.00 (Y)



BUMP: course is filling up quickly now. I can only take 110 applicants. Get your registration in now if you plan on taking this great course.
Ed

Originally Posted By globe512:
Quick question, I have an A2 style rifle except for the round free float tube. It has a swivel and turner sling already, but is not strictly service rifle. Kosher for this course, or should I check the "need loaner' box? Thanks.