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bspz28  [Member]
1/15/2011 6:04:26 PM EST
Is it legal to use a pre ban 30 round magazine in a post ban rifle. I was told today that it is illegal to do so.
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fnub315  [Member]
1/15/2011 6:15:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By bspz28:
Is it legal to use a pre ban 30 round magazine in a post ban rifle. I was told today that it is illegal to do so.


Well then I would slap the man silly that told you so just for spreading false information!!! It's totality legit...
USMC6177  [Team Member]
1/15/2011 6:22:55 PM EST
Man I cannot tell you how many times I have had people say that crap.
Raptor22  [Team Member]
1/15/2011 6:47:44 PM EST
What idiot gave you that misinformation?
bspz28  [Member]
1/15/2011 7:29:38 PM EST
My father in law lol ...
ARJekyllMPHyde  [Member]
1/16/2011 2:50:13 AM EST
Originally Posted By bspz28:
My father in law lol ...


In this case Freud would suggest that inserting a pre ban mag in a post ban rifle means something entirely different to your father-in-law
BALLS-172  [Team Member]
1/16/2011 3:29:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By ARJekyllMPHyde:
Originally Posted By bspz28:
My father in law lol ...


In this case Freud would suggest that inserting a pre ban mag in a post ban rifle means something entirely different to your father-in-law





762DM  [Team Member]
1/16/2011 4:16:06 AM EST
The magazine (large capacity ammunition feeding device) is regulated SEPERATE from the weapon under CPW 3rd sub 8.
Definition:
23. "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means a magazine, belt,
drum, feed strip, or similar device, manufactured after September
thirteenth, nineteen hundred ninety-four, that has a capacity of, or
that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten
rounds of ammunition; provided, however, that such term does not include
an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating
only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

S 265.02 Criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree.
A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the third
degree when:
(1) He commits the crime of criminal possession of a weapon in the
fourth degree as defined in subdivision one, two, three or five of
section 265.01, and has been previously convicted of any crime; or
(2) He possesses any explosive or incendiary bomb, bombshell, firearm
silencer, machine-gun or any other firearm or weapon simulating a
machine-gun and which is adaptable for such use; or
(3) He knowingly has in his possession a machine-gun, firearm, rifle
or shotgun which has been defaced for the purpose of concealment or
prevention of the detection of a crime or misrepresenting the identity
of such machine-gun, firearm, rifle or shotgun; or
(4) Such person possesses any loaded firearm. Such possession shall
not, except as provided in subdivision one or seven, constitute a
violation of this section if such possession takes place in such
person`s home or place of business; or
(5) (i) Such person possesses twenty or more firearms; or (ii) such
person possesses a firearm and has been previously convicted of a felony
or a class A misdemeanor defined in this chapter within the five years
immediately preceding the commission of the offense and such possession
did not take place in the person`s home or place of business; or
(6) Such person knowingly possesses any disguised gun; or
(7) Such person possesses an assault weapon; or
(8) Such person possesses a large capacity ammunition feeding device.

Criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree is a class D felony.

rkbar15  [Team Member]
1/16/2011 4:24:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By USMC6177:
Man I cannot tell you how many times I have had people say that crap.

One of the most commonly held misconceptions by both gun owners and dealers during the ten year period when the Federal AWB was in effect.
Bushmaster1984  [Team Member]
1/16/2011 4:32:50 AM EST
it amazes me how many people dont even read the law and just spread false info.
bspz28  [Member]
1/16/2011 8:17:25 AM EST
Originally Posted By 762DM:
The magazine (large capacity ammunition feeding device) is regulated SEPERATE from the weapon under CPW 3rd sub 8.
Definition:
23. "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means a magazine, belt,
drum, feed strip, or similar device, manufactured after September
thirteenth, nineteen hundred ninety-four, that has a capacity of, or
that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten
rounds of ammunition; provided, however, that such term does not include
an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating
only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

S 265.02 Criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree.
A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the third
degree when:
(1) He commits the crime of criminal possession of a weapon in the
fourth degree as defined in subdivision one, two, three or five of
section 265.01, and has been previously convicted of any crime; or
(2) He possesses any explosive or incendiary bomb, bombshell, firearm
silencer, machine-gun or any other firearm or weapon simulating a
machine-gun and which is adaptable for such use; or
(3) He knowingly has in his possession a machine-gun, firearm, rifle
or shotgun which has been defaced for the purpose of concealment or
prevention of the detection of a crime or misrepresenting the identity
of such machine-gun, firearm, rifle or shotgun; or
(4) Such person possesses any loaded firearm. Such possession shall
not, except as provided in subdivision one or seven, constitute a
violation of this section if such possession takes place in such
person`s home or place of business; or
(5) (i) Such person possesses twenty or more firearms; or (ii) such
person possesses a firearm and has been previously convicted of a felony
or a class A misdemeanor defined in this chapter within the five years
immediately preceding the commission of the offense and such possession
did not take place in the person`s home or place of business; or
(6) Such person knowingly possesses any disguised gun; or
(7) Such person possesses an assault weapon; or
(8) Such person possesses a large capacity ammunition feeding device.

Criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree is a class D felony.



So what is it saying ?
rkbar15  [Team Member]
1/16/2011 9:02:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By bspz28:

So what is it saying ?



S 265.02(7) and S 265.02(8) are separate charges under PL section 265.02. Simple possession of LCAFD as defined under PL 265.00(23) is a stand alone violent felony offense not dependent on possession of any firearm or long gun it can be utilized in within NYS. As long as the AFD was manufactured prior to 09-14-1994 it is not illegal possess in NYS and therefore it can be used in any firearm or long gun you lawfully possess in NYS.


(7) Such person possesses an assault weapon; or
(8) Such person possesses a large capacity ammunition feeding device.

perimedik  [Member]
1/16/2011 5:10:50 PM EST
No Issue, Carry on
twokitties  [Team Member]
1/16/2011 6:47:03 PM EST
If you are still unsure e-mail me and I will tell you my address so you can send me all those EVIL mags. I will get rid of them, don't worry.
Danj  [Team Member]
1/16/2011 7:29:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bushmaster1984:
it amazes me how many people dont even read the law and just spread false info.

And then they get mad at you when you ask them to show you where it says that in the fucking penal code and they can't.
BushBoar  [Team Member]
1/17/2011 11:02:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By bspz28:
Is it legal to use a pre ban 30 round magazine in a post ban rifle. I was told today that it is illegal to do so.


Lots of gun dealers and even police officers believe this.
squirrell18  [Team Member]
1/18/2011 4:57:28 PM EST
Just buy 10 rounders, the last thing we need is more NY bump firing. I'm going to buy a pink stock and handguard set for my AR15 and buy 1 round magazines and add one of those California magazine locks.
RabidMonkeyPox  [Member]
1/18/2011 5:28:37 PM EST
Originally Posted By squirrell18:
Just buy 10 rounders, the last thing we need is more NY bump firing. I'm going to buy a pink stock and handguard set for my AR15 and buy 1 round magazines and add one of those California magazine locks.


Dieter122  [Team Member]
1/18/2011 5:33:00 PM EST
Originally Posted By RabidMonkeyPox:
Originally Posted By squirrell18:
Just buy 10 rounders, the last thing we need is more NY bump firing. I'm going to buy a pink stock and handguard set for my AR15 and buy 1 round magazines and add one of those California magazine locks.




he struck again in the other thread.

ive never had issues bump firing...or rapid firing...

we all live in NYS here right?
RabidMonkeyPox  [Member]
1/18/2011 5:35:20 PM EST
Yeah I noticed the other thread, I tend not to bad mouth members but if the idea that someone owns a 30 round magazine their only reasoning for possessing it is to bump fire, then that is a retarded allegation.
bravo72989  [Team Member]
1/18/2011 6:28:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By bspz28:
Is it legal to use a pre ban 30 round magazine in a post ban rifle. I was told today that it is illegal to do so.

Did you hear that at the Niagara gun range by any chance?
Adirondack1  [Team Member]
1/19/2011 2:06:15 AM EST
Originally Posted By squirrell18:
Just buy 10 rounders, the last thing we need is more NY bump firing. I'm going to buy a pink stock and handguard set for my AR15 and buy 1 round magazines and add one of those California magazine locks.


Why don't you sell your EVIL GUNS and buy some new GOLF CLUBS if you're so concerned?
Firenutz  [Team Member]
1/19/2011 9:20:24 AM EST
Originally Posted By bravo72989:
Originally Posted By bspz28:
Is it legal to use a pre ban 30 round magazine in a post ban rifle. I was told today that it is illegal to do so.

Did you hear that at the Niagara gun range by any chance?

Why do you ask? Do they have an issue with that? I was there using a 20 round preban a few months ago.

bravo72989  [Team Member]
1/19/2011 3:21:02 PM EST
I got the same lecture from the owner when I asked If he sold pre ban mags. He promptly told me "anyone saying they have pre ban mags is a damn liar" and that they "don't exist". He also told me it was against the law to have pre bans mags in a post ban firearm.
bigstatik  [Team Member]
1/19/2011 6:11:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By bravo72989:
I got the same lecture from the owner when I asked If he sold pre ban mags. He promptly told me "anyone saying they have pre ban mags is a damn liar" and that they "don't exist". He also told me it was against the law to have pre bans mags in a post ban firearm.


223 wasted on a turd.
BushBoar  [Team Member]
1/19/2011 7:10:46 PM EST
The Cicero Gander Mountain tells everyone that preban mags in postban guns is illegal. I tried explaining to a couple of the guys that I was a lawyer, I was very familiar with the law, and that it's simply not true. They all just shrug their shoulders and say "Well, that's what we tell people."
Adirondack47  [Team Member]
1/19/2011 7:15:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By BushBoar:
The Cicero Gander Mountain tells everyone that preban mags in postban guns is illegal. I tried explaining to a couple of the guys that I was a lawyer, I was very familiar with the law, and that it's simply not true. They all just shrug their shoulders and say "Well, that's what we tell people."


Ive heard that more than once there. The only guy there with half of a functional brain that ill even talk to when im in the place is "John" (bald guy with glasses). I understand that its a big box store and it is what it is but some of the crap that they tell people is gonna get someone in trouble with John B Law on of these days (if it hasnt already).

squirrell18  [Team Member]
1/26/2011 7:24:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By RabidMonkeyPox:
Yeah I noticed the other thread, I tend not to bad mouth members but if the idea that someone owns a 30 round magazine their only reasoning for possessing it is to bump fire, then that is a retarded allegation.


I was at a gun range and this ass clown was bump firing his AR15(6-30 round mags), keep in mind this range was a slow fire only, the police were called then of course they had to come over and talk to me because I just happened to own an AR15, they were asking why my mags didn't have dates on them and all kinds of really fun questions(my mags were colts made in the 70s without dates), I wish you clowns would just bump fire on your own property, I have no issues with anyone owning 120 round drums or belt feed AR15s if they want, in fact I own 23-30 round AR15 preban magazines and I enjoy them as I do my rifle, just don't do that bump fire shit when I'm at the range with you. Is it so hard to understand that when you bumpfire it sound like real full auto fire and everyone knows you can't legally own full autos in NY state? The police will be called then the next thing you know some rookie cop is going to take my rifle for testing and who knows what will happen, worst case I will get it back and the ATF will have scratched it up with inventor numbers on it or maybe they will some how get it to fire 2 rounds with one pull...

You guys want to shoot at dirt and bump fire go ahead, just don't do it next to me at the range that only allows slow fire or next to old people who will call the police and get me in trouble. It's bad enough I have to think about all these bans and this shit don't make it worse for me with full auto fire. Police are stupid and since they don't know shit about gun laws do you really think they will understand when you told them how you made the rifle fire 30 rounds in 2 seconds? Like I said I care about me, who gives a shit if you guys do stupid shit and get arrested, I could careless. You guys want to burn ammo up on your own property then go ahead, who gives a fuck.
Dieter122  [Team Member]
1/26/2011 7:31:07 PM EST
Originally Posted By squirrell18:
Police are stupid and since they don't know shit about gun laws do you really think they will understand when you told them how you made the rifle fire 30 rounds in 2 seconds? .


lots of coffee?
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