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Dieter122  [Member]
12/10/2006 11:33:20 PM
if I buy a pistol from a friend thats also a permit holder...what do i have to do, aside from pay him for it?

call and notify the sheriffs department or what exactly?

thanks
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cowboyrick  [Member]
12/10/2006 11:46:06 PM
I just sold a pistol to a friend and fellow permit holder. In Ulster County, and I believe this is true throughout the state, after you pay him he must write out a reciept with all the info from the gun. Basicaly all the info that is on his license concerning the pistol, make, model, auto or revolver, ser #, caliber. Must be signed and dated by both individuals. Take the reciept to your sherrifs office and get your amendment. You can not posses the pistol until you have the green card and it is registered on your license. At this point you give the green card to the seller and then you can take possesion. The seller will then take the green card to the sherrifs office and have the gun removed from his license. I would call your pistol permit beuro and confirm but I think this is standard throughout the state excluding NYC of course.
Dieter122  [Member]
12/11/2006 12:05:15 AM
i found your county form, but..unsure about other counties...

http://www.co.ulster.ny.us/countyclerk/PistolTrans.pdf
cowboyrick  [Member]
12/11/2006 12:32:52 AM
Thats funny, we didn't use that form at all. The reciept was hand written on a peice of paper. I called ahead to find out procedure and was told to do exactly as I did and there was no mention of that form. Everything went fine.
Dieter122  [Member]
12/11/2006 12:35:42 AM

Originally Posted By cowboyrick:
Thats funny, we didn't use that form at all. The reciept was hand written on a peice of paper. I called ahead to find out procedure and was told to do exactly as I did and there was no mention of that form. Everything went fine.


i found a form for Ulster and one other county...but nothing for Saratoga.

i thought you just transfer it to the person (physically), then they take the info, and report it to the sheriffs office, who then make the alteration to the record, making note of the additional handgun? Isnt there also a 10 day grace period also?

maybe my memory fails me.

anyone know for sure in Saratoga??
rkbar15  [Team Member]
12/11/2006 9:49:21 AM
Years ago when pistol permit issuing agencies gave out purchase coupons in advance you could just walk into a gun store or transfer a handgun from another licensee on the spot. Then you had just had to have your license amended to add the gun to your license. I believe some licensing agencies will still issue purchase coupons in advance if you're going to a gun show or traveling to an out-of-town dealer.

The only ten day "grace" period I'm aware of is notifying the NYSP and your licensing agency of a change in address.

As always you need to follow the procedure issued by your pistol licensing agency as they all seem to make-up their own rules in addition to the NYSP regulations.

www.troopers.state.ny.us/FAQs/Firearms/IndivSale.cfm

FAQs: Individual sale or purchase

Q - What are the necessary steps involved in the sale of a handgun from one licensee to another?

In instances where a handgun is being sold from one licensee to another, the receiving licensee must obtain authorization from his/her licensing officer in the form of an amendment to their permit prior to acquiring the handgun.

A Purchase Coupon detailing the specific weapon to be purchased should be completed by the licensing authority prior to the sale and be given to the licensee disposing of the gun as proof of lawful disposition.

Note: The licensee selling the gun should complete an amendment to his/her pistol permit disposing of the weapon following the transaction.
Dieter122  [Member]
12/11/2006 3:59:23 PM

Originally Posted By rkbar15:
Years ago when pistol permit issuing agencies gave out purchase coupons in advance you could just walk into a gun store or transfer a handgun from another licensee on the spot. Then you had just had to have your license amended to add the gun to your license. I believe some licensing agencies will still issue purchase coupons in advance if you're going to a gun show or traveling to an out-of-town dealer.

The only ten day "grace" period I'm aware of is notifying the NYSP and your licensing agency of a change in address.

As always you need to follow the procedure issued by your pistol licensing agency as they all seem to make-up their own rules addition to the NYSP regulations.

www.troopers.state.ny.us/FAQs/Firearms/IndivSale.cfm

FAQs: Individual sale or purchase

Q - What are the necessary steps involved in the sale of a handgun from one licensee to another?

In instances where a handgun is being sold from one licensee to another, the receiving licensee must obtain authorization from his/her licensing officer in the form of an amendment to their permit prior to acquiring the handgun.

A Purchase Coupon detailing the specific weapon to be purchased should be completed by the licensing authority prior to the sale and be given to the licensee disposing of the gun as proof of lawful disposition.

Note: The licensee selling the gun should complete an amendment to his/her pistol permit disposing of the weapon following the transaction.


thanks for the clairification...I called up the Sheriffs department here in Saratoga and they confirmed exactly what you stated.

Thanks for the reply
PETman  [Member]
12/11/2006 5:33:46 PM
Wow,my county must be in the dark ages.
If I buy a gun from another NYS permit holder,this is what I do.
I give him all my info,as well as get all his info. Take posession
of the gun,then send my pistol clerk a check for $3. and all the needed
info and I'm done. I only need to get a coupon when buying from a dealer.
To take a gun off my permit,I just pick up the phone and tell her what gun
and who it went to.Done deal. Been doing that for 20 years.
The great thing about my county is they will let you buy coupons for handguns.
They are good for 5 years,though some deals don't like them if it's over a year old.
You can get up to 10 at a time,I'm a 3-5 coupon person myself.
PETman
rkbar15  [Team Member]
12/11/2006 6:59:59 PM
PETman, that's the way it used to be years ago in most counties, Many counties changed the procedures because some licensees weren't adding the newly acquired guns to their permits. BTW, in a private transaction you always had to gave the purchase coupon to the pistol licensee you were acquiring the gun from. The person disposing of the gun is required to keep the purchase coupon in his/her possession as proof of the transfer and to remove the gun from their license.
PETman  [Member]
12/11/2006 8:20:52 PM
The only time I request a coupon is when I'm transfering a C&R
handgun out of my collection to a non FFL holder in my state.
The main reason is so the Feds now the buyer was "legal to own"
a handgun in my state,at the time of the transfer.
I've seen the "database" my county uses. They know who has every
handgun I've ever sold.
It shouldn't be up to me to keep paperwork for guns I've sold 20 years
ago to a permit holder. I'm not a dealer. I'ts the state problem to
maintain records of their permit holders transfers.

PETman
rkbar15  [Team Member]
12/11/2006 8:49:24 PM
You can't legally transfer a handgun to another pistol licensee unless you obtain a purchase coupon from the licensee.

Penal Law

Article 400 - LICENSING AND OTHER PROVISIONS RELATING TO FIREARMS

ยง 400.00 Licenses to carry, possess, repair and dispose of firearms.

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7. License: form. Any license issued pursuant to this section shall,
except in the city of New York, be approved as to form by the
superintendent of state police. A license to carry or possess a pistol
or revolver shall have attached the licensee's photograph, and a coupon
which shall be removed and retained by any person disposing of a firearm
to the licensee.
Such license shall specify the weapon covered by
calibre, make, model, manufacturer's name and serial number, or if none,
by any other distinguishing number or identification mark, and shall
indicate whether issued to carry on the person or possess on the
premises, and if on the premises shall also specify the place where the
licensee shall possess the same. If such license is issued to an alien,
or to a person not a citizen of and usually a resident in the state, the
licensing officer shall state in the license the particular reason for
the issuance and the names of the persons certifying to the good
character of the applicant. Any license as gunsmith or dealer in
firearms shall mention and describe the premises for which it is issued
and shall be valid only for such premises.
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