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ivox  [Member]
5/2/2012 5:21:43 AM EST
I live in West Frisco - we had 5 cars broken into two nights ago - 2 block radius.

Any LE guys have any input on this?

Was this targeted by a crew or just random "opportunistic" theft?

What's the modus operandi in these situations? Are the targets normally scouted before or is this just a "drive through and see what we can get" kind of deal?

Appreciate any comments.

Thanks, fellas...
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1IV  [Team Member]
5/2/2012 5:35:01 AM EST
Five cars? That's a driver, and a grabber. They drive around - spot electronics , etc... Scout their exit. Drop off the grab man, and drive to the end of the run.

It is usually more than 5 cars. One must have brought unwanted attention.

It's not just Frisco - McKinney is gettin nailed too. There is no safe haven anymore.

See someone after 10pm sitting in a car? Call the police. Give a great description. Hell if you are balsy enoug take a pic.
Napkin_Legend  [Team Member]
5/2/2012 5:59:49 AM EST
You could always just sit in a chair on your porch with a shotgun. The shotgun must be a double-barreled shotgun and the chair must be of the rocking variation. Also the chair must squeak eerily.
1IV  [Team Member]
5/2/2012 6:03:23 AM EST
M1 Garand and a floodlight. Lol
StZu  [Member]
5/2/2012 6:12:36 AM EST
FLIR, and a RPG
Mounger  [Member]
5/2/2012 6:26:31 AM EST
I feel ya OP. I live in McKinney and I have been hit numerous times.

There are actually people that follow around contractors vehicles just waiting for them to slip up just once so they can grab there shit.

I hate a thief.
DogWizard  [Member]
5/2/2012 7:01:26 AM EST
That sucks - I've noticed a definite behavioral shift just in the last year. We're thinking about moving up/farther out for just this reason.

Any particular area in West Frisco? Out towards Little Elm around Greyhawk? Rear exiting alley driveways or were the cars parked in the street? Inquiring minds would like to know (and avoid).

Sorry to hear it and good luck catching the little bastards.


ivox  [Member]
5/2/2012 7:26:13 AM EST
Originally Posted By DogWizard:
That sucks - I've noticed a definite behavioral shift just in the last year. We're thinking about moving up/farther out for just this reason.

Any particular area in West Frisco? Out towards Little Elm around Greyhawk? Rear exiting alley driveways or were the cars parked in the street? Inquiring minds would like to know (and avoid).

Sorry to hear it and good luck catching the little bastards.




Further South - Teel/Lebanon.

Rear-exiting alley driveways.

No leads. Frisco PD says we're pretty much SOL on catching these fnckers.
joemama74  [Team Member]
5/2/2012 7:43:34 AM EST
I had something similar happen at my old house in Dallas. 1 am, can't sleep. Hear a car pull up in front of my house, stop, hear a car door open and close, then hear the car drive off. I knew my neighbors and their routines, one of my neighbors was out of the country, and it was odd.

I had built a big wrought iron gate on the side of the house where the driveway wrapped around where I kept the dogs and I could see our cars parked on the street and most of the front yard. So I grabbed the shotgun, went out the back door and went to that side of the house inside my fence and stood in the shadows. I couldn't see anyone, but you know that feeling where you are watched. I decided to rack the shotgun.

You could have heard a pin drop.

I didn't like the cars parked on the street, so I decided to move them into the driveway. I went back into the house stowed the shotgun, stuck my 1911 in my shorts pocket and a flashlight and proceeded to move my cars into the driveway. I didn't have a belt on, so I looked pretty gangsta trying to hold my shorts up with that big ass 45 tucked in there.

I shined around, couldn't see anyone. Moved the cars and went back into the house. Laid back down in bed. Maybe 5 minutes later, I heard a car pull up and stop again.

Looked out the window to see a dark colored suburban in front of my neighbors house who was out of the country. I heard a door slam, but it had to be on the other side of the car. They picked someone up and drove off.
1IV  [Team Member]
5/2/2012 9:27:46 AM EST
Game Camera on the drive way.
alias2  [Member]
5/2/2012 9:47:12 AM EST
Originally Posted By 1IV:
Game Camera on the drive way.


And try and angle it so you can get a Lic. plate no. Activate it later at night so the card doesn't fill up with normal street traffic.

MSB2199  [Team Member]
5/2/2012 10:20:04 AM EST
Originally Posted By ivox:
I live in West Frisco - we had 5 cars broken into two nights ago - 2 block radius.

Any LE guys have any input on this?

Was this targeted by a crew or just random "opportunistic" theft?

What's the modus operandi in these situations? Are the targets normally scouted before or is this just a "drive through and see what we can get" kind of deal?

Appreciate any comments.

Thanks, fellas...


My guess would be several guys in one car cruising through the affected neighborhood. They might have cased the area but it's more likely they just headed to a "nice neighborhood" anticipating that the pickin's would be good. It's my experience that most thieves and burglars are opportunistic. I've interviewed many of them and they most of them cruise around until they see something that looks good to them. One crew I worked would drive through residential areas and look for trucks with tool boxes on the back. If the box was locked they would drive on until they found one that was unlocked. They would do the same for backyard sheds. Locked...moved on. Unlocked....cleaned it out. It goes to show you the importance of simply locking your stuff up. It might not stop everyone but it will stop some. Regarding cars, it's my experience that cars parked on the street are much more likely to be broken into than cars in the drive. I'm assuming that they appear to be easier targets to the crooks.

oldfool  [Member]
5/2/2012 10:46:51 AM EST
I generally have to be @ work very early in the morning. That has me walking the dog very early. Right before X-mas some thieves hit the neighborhood going car to car checking to see if they were locked. They didn't bother to close any of the doors to the vehicles that the rifled thru. At first I was awstruck by all the dumbasses who don't lock their vehicle. Then i thought it was funny how many had obama signs in their yards @ one time.

Couple weeks ago I spooked a thief off. This was after Crayon Martin got lead poisoning. This dude didn't have a hoodie. Not sure what he feared more me or the dawg.
TK5  [Member]
5/2/2012 4:01:00 PM EST
USUALLY these guys go for the easy targets. Rolling through neighborhoods, peeking in windows or grabbing door handles or both. Locked? Nothing left out? You are not likely to get hit. Leave out a GPS, laptop bag, iPod, golf clubs, purse, wallet, cell phone and you will get their attention.

The overwhelming majority of burglary of vehicle reports I take are because someone left their vehicle unlocked. Lock/take/hide just like the sign says would prevent most of this type of crime.
dotcombust  [Member]
5/2/2012 8:57:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By ivox:
Originally Posted By DogWizard:
That sucks - I've noticed a definite behavioral shift just in the last year. We're thinking about moving up/farther out for just this reason.

Any particular area in West Frisco? Out towards Little Elm around Greyhawk? Rear exiting alley driveways or were the cars parked in the street? Inquiring minds would like to know (and avoid).

Sorry to hear it and good luck catching the little bastards.




Further South - Teel/Lebanon.

Rear-exiting alley driveways.

No leads. Frisco PD says we're pretty much SOL on catching these fnckers.


Crap I was hoping that wasnt the area ... thank you for sharing the info .. fwiw I see plenty of Frisco PD SUVs cruising up and down Teel nightly.. they camp all along Teel side streets and maybe once a week they just sit camped in front of our house on our street for several minutes. Hopefully they'll get lucky one night and catch these fools.

**edit** i just looked at the blotter last week for our hood and didnt see anything out of the ordinary off Teel between Lebanon and El Dorado.. I'll go back through and look around at the reports again:

http://www.friscotexas.gov/departments/police/Pages/PublicInformation.aspx

went through and looked up some of the streets I wasnt familiar with.. yeah there's definitely been some activity .. like previous posters have mentioned, leave some flood lights on, lock your doors and dont leave valuables in your cars... dont make it any easier for them!
nf9648  [Team Member]
5/2/2012 10:23:23 PM EST
Most of the time this is high school aged kids, you probably got lucky and ended up on the street or area they decided to hit that night.
txcop893  [Team Member]
5/3/2012 3:27:02 AM EST
Back during Christmas I worked 37 BMV's in a week in a town of 4,000 people. Not a single car was actually broken into. Every single one was left unlocked. There was everything from iPods to handguns missing. I hate thieves but I have a real hard time getting all worked up when people can't even attemp to protect their own stuff.
planovet  [Team Member]
5/3/2012 5:57:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By TK5:
USUALLY these guys go for the easy targets. Rolling through neighborhoods, peeking in windows or grabbing door handles or both. Locked? Nothing left out? You are not likely to get hit. Leave out a GPS, laptop bag, iPod, golf clubs, purse, wallet, cell phone and you will get their attention.

The overwhelming majority of burglary of vehicle reports I take are because someone left their vehicle unlocked. Lock/take/hide just like the sign says would prevent most of this type of crime.

This

I live just down the street from you OP and we have had problems in our neighborhood also, although not lately.
ex_dsmr  [Team Member]
5/3/2012 6:22:32 AM EST
Criminals know that most of their AO is pretty well played out and the higher end neighborhoods have better stuff. You cant steal if there isnt much to steal.

It must have been a year ago but my Uncle has his Escalade stolen and stripped from a nice gated community in Frisco.
centex_SR-15  [Team Member]
5/3/2012 8:46:53 AM EST
I had a Frisco route last year. After 11pm there were a lot more ghetto donks running around than I would have thought would be in that town.

Instead of a regular game camera, maybe one of these would be better for that task.
alias2  [Member]
5/3/2012 9:55:00 AM EST
Here's a suggestion. Park your vehicle in your drive with tires near the edge of the concrete. Place a Newhouse #5 Bear Trap and chain in the yard next to the car / truck door. You can bait your car / truck with assorted items, CD's, iPod cases, UPS box.

eta- You might check with the local PD on regulations beforehand.
pigmypuncher  [Team Member]
5/3/2012 11:55:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By nf9648:
Most of the time this is high school aged kids, you probably got lucky and ended up on the street or area they decided to hit that night.


Thanks to the growing economy in Frisco, we're seeing a large migration of folks from other states - they're bringing their delinquents with them....

Don't get me started on my neighbors, and why I am now having to look into adding video surveillance to my property.. I also live off Teal and Main (NW corner) close to the golf course... I've already started trying to sell the wife on the idea of selling and moving farther out of town...
Firebird69  [Team Member]
5/3/2012 12:07:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By pigmypuncher:
Originally Posted By nf9648:
Most of the time this is high school aged kids, you probably got lucky and ended up on the street or area they decided to hit that night.


Thanks to the growing economy in Frisco, we're seeing a large migration of folks from other states - they're bringing their delinquents with them....

Don't get me started on my neighbors, and why I am now having to look into adding video surveillance to my property.. I also live off Teal and Main (NW corner) close to the golf course... I've already started trying to sell the wife on the idea of selling and moving farther out of town...

All of you are close by. I too have been working on finding a camera system. Let us know what you find.
alias2  [Member]
5/3/2012 12:56:33 PM EST
I feel for you guys. Living like that sucks. I lived in an area where across the street it was lined with homes filled with burglars; single mothers with multiple partner kids, grand parents raising delinquent grandkids because the crackwhore mothers were in an asylum, prison or living on the streets. And all of them watching our house waiting for us to go to work. After being burglaized multiple times and one attempted truck theft I ended up getting a camera and catching and convicting two different sets of neighbors, one of whom ended up in TDC because he violated his probation. When we moved we didn't leave as victims and one pissed off pig of a woman told my g/f since we never interacted with the rest of the people on the street we "deserved to be burglarized."

BCV  [Team Member]
5/3/2012 3:03:34 PM EST
Don't leave stuff in your car thats worth any value! Simple solution.
pigmypuncher  [Team Member]
5/3/2012 5:35:53 PM EST
Originally Posted By BCV:
Don't leave stuff in your car thats worth any value! Simple solution.


For the petty criminal looking for a quick score - it helps. However, for random acts of vandalism (which we have also seen albeit very infrequently in our neighborhood) - it doesn't matter.
hrt4me  [Team Member]
5/3/2012 7:40:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By centex_SR-15:
I had a Frisco route last year. After 11pm there were a lot more ghetto donks running around than I would have thought would be in that town.

Instead of a regular game camera, maybe one of these would be better for that task.


thanks for the link to the Primos DPS camera
ivox  [Member]
5/3/2012 8:28:39 PM EST
Originally Posted By pigmypuncher:
Thanks to the growing economy in Frisco, we're seeing a large migration of folks from other states - they're bringing their delinquents with them....

Don't get me started on my neighbors, and why I am now having to look into adding video surveillance to my property.. I also live off Teal and Main (NW corner) close to the golf course... I've already started trying to sell the wife on the idea of selling and moving farther out of town...


True. True. Lot of Kalifornians around here now. Most are very cool. Some are just freaking WEIRD!

In the interest of full disclosure, I was not one of the victims. My crib is buttoned up tight at night - both cars in the garage - the outside of the house is lit up like a Christmas tree with spots - I have an electric gate that closes off the driveway from the alleyway - blah, blah.

I do agree with just about everything stated already - most of these are crimes of opportunity - and people make it very easy by leaving cars unlocked with valuables in clear view. However, two of the vehicles were smash-and-grab's.







TripleDAustin  [Member]
5/4/2012 1:35:55 AM EST
I woke up last summer at about 4:45 to a knock at the front door. It was my neighbor, who asked me if I had just gotten a new suburban. After rubbing my eyes, shaking my head, and asking him to repeat the question he said "come outside and look at this - you aren't going to believe it". There is a brand new suburban, parked nose in, directly in front of my house ( I live in a culdesac ) up on blocks with all 4 wheels gone. Called the Sheriff dept. and it turns out it was stolen 1 block over and the folks it belonged to did not even know it was gone. The had left the keys in the ignition. I asked the Deputy if he thought it was professional thieves and he was of the opinion that it was idiot kids probably from this neighborhood. He said the car probably had fancy wheels which will make their way to somebody over on the other side of town for a couple of hundred bucks, and that if it had been something other than that the car would most likely be somewhere in Houston by now.

What is funny is about 6 months earlier my brother in law who lives in the same development about a mile down the road woke up one morning to find his own suburban - minus the fancy wheels - up on blocks in his driveway. These are just the two that I know about. I'm sure there have been more that I am unaware of.

I have a pretty funny picture of the one in front of my house but I can't figure out how to attach it here. My neighbors and I had a good time playing "caption this photo" with it. I think the winning caption was "DD got a brand new Suburban, but the wheels are still on layaway."

DD
Firebird69  [Team Member]
5/4/2012 8:34:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By ivox:
Originally Posted By pigmypuncher:
Thanks to the growing economy in Frisco, we're seeing a large migration of folks from other states - they're bringing their delinquents with them....

Don't get me started on my neighbors, and why I am now having to look into adding video surveillance to my property.. I also live off Teal and Main (NW corner) close to the golf course... I've already started trying to sell the wife on the idea of selling and moving farther out of town...


True. True. Lot of Kalifornians around here now. Most are very cool. Some are just freaking WEIRD!

In the interest of full disclosure, I was not one of the victims. My crib is buttoned up tight at night - both cars in the garage - the outside of the house is lit up like a Christmas tree with spots - I have an electric gate that closes off the driveway from the alleyway - blah, blah.

I do agree with just about everything stated already - most of these are crimes of opportunity - and people make it very easy by leaving cars unlocked with valuables in clear view. However, two of the vehicles were smash-and-grab's.








I have been in Frisco since 98. In 2003 we had both of our cars smashed windows and radar detectors stolen . Had two banks of 90 watt halogens motions that lit up the driveway so the thieves could see everything they needed to do.

The FPD guessed that it was local "workers" (ehem ehem) that cased the neighborhood and knew it was easy.
JC77  [Member]
5/4/2012 4:45:41 PM EST
I'm in Frisco as well. Lots of locals here. We should schedule a happy hour.
mPisi  [Team Member]
5/4/2012 6:53:03 PM EST
A couple months ago my neighborhood in RIchardson was hit by some group stealing spare tires from Nissan and Toyota trucks. There was at least 5 reports and probably some others that didn't get reported (like mine). I didn't see mine was gone until I came out from work the next day, and I hadn't heard about the other thefts, so I thought it had been stolen from the office lot. If you have the right tool chucked into a cordless drill then it's about a 15-second operation to lower the spare and throw it in the back of a pickup..
halfslow  [Member]
5/4/2012 8:35:55 PM EST
Can't you put a chain around the tire and chassis like I can on my Chevy?
1dc  [Member]
5/4/2012 9:27:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By txcop893:
. . . but I have a real hard time getting all worked up when people can't even attemp to protect their own stuff.


Nobody needs somebody else to get worked up, instead just catch and punish the bad guys if you know their system. If you don't figure it out.. Advising that the bad guys just move along to somebody else is misplaced IMO. People used to live without locking everything down and having it stolen, so law enforcement could do better by killing the lectures and politics and better enforcing the law against the thieves instead.

Personally, I've always been one of the paranoid ones and am fortunate to live in a gated community with private, armed security. I'm not the type to be careless or unprepared, and certainly not trusting.

Still, even I can recognize it's not 1% the victim's fault for being trusting or careless . . so, there is no "but" to hating thieves . . theft is theft regardless of how easy or hard it was to steal . . if we all were making it more difficult, guess what thieves would still steal until the risk of punishment is great . we're not going to make them go out and be responsible citizens by locking cars or blaming the victims.

Victims are already out the goods and often embarrassed and punishing themselves . . they've been violated and are looking for justice . . justice isn't about the victim's carelessness or bad ideas that push the criminals along to some other grift, it's increasing the risk of capture with "fair" punishment that encourages civil behavior instead of building long rap sheets.
r-2-k-b-a  [Member]
5/5/2012 6:29:04 AM EST
Originally Posted By ivox:
I live in West Frisco - we had 5 cars broken into two nights ago - 2 block radius.

Any LE guys have any input on this?

Was this targeted by a crew or just random "opportunistic" theft?

What's the modus operandi in these situations? Are the targets normally scouted before or is this just a "drive through and see what we can get" kind of deal?

Appreciate any comments.

Thanks, fellas...


You pretty much got it there. Dont leave your stuff in your car.
modnar  [Member]
5/5/2012 7:14:49 AM EST
We had a string of break-ins in my neighborhood a few weeks back or so that made the local Fox 4 news. Something about using an electronic device to get into the cars. Their website redesign killed the article. This has a screenshot of the security camera.

First I've heard of 'electronic devices' breaking into cars. I'm not worried myself, I don't keep anything valuable in it. Plus my truck doesn't have remote locks...
Firebird69  [Team Member]
5/5/2012 7:56:32 AM EST
A tip for the home owners here. A cheap and easy security modification can make your home safer. Most residential homes have an electric garage door opener plugged into a receptacle just above it. It takes the thief a moment to beak into your car, press the button to your garage and he's in.

Have an electrician wire the receptacle to a switch "inside" your home. When you are home and/or go to bed flip the switch to off cutting the power to the garage door opener. The garage door is dead untl you flip the switch.

Another security tip is to watch your fake dormers and attic stairways. Fake dormers sometimes have glass that looks into the attic of the home. Its easy for burglars to get onto the roof, break the glass and get into your home. The attic stairway it typically not switched for an alarm.

Take a 4x8 sheet of 3/4 plywood and cut to the size of the window. If the window is small enough you can double the pieces together with liquid nails. After reinforcing the interior of the attic window with extra 2x4's (again more liquid nails and screws) lag bolt in the plywood. Make sure that the outward looking piece is painted flat black.

Hasp latch your attic stairway in the garage and use a strong keyed lock.
alias2  [Member]
5/5/2012 9:45:54 AM EST
Originally Posted By 1dc:
Originally Posted By txcop893:
. . . but I have a real hard time getting all worked up when people can't even attemp to protect their own stuff.


Nobody needs somebody else to get worked up, instead just catch and punish the bad guys if you know their system. If you don't figure it out.. Advising that the bad guys just move along to somebody else is misplaced IMO. People used to live without locking everything down and having it stolen, so law enforcement could do better by killing the lectures and politics and better enforcing the law against the thieves instead.

Personally, I've always been one of the paranoid ones and am fortunate to live in a gated community with private, armed security. I'm not the type to be careless or unprepared, and certainly not trusting.

Still, even I can recognize it's not 1% the victim's fault for being trusting or careless . . so, there is no "but" to hating thieves . . theft is theft regardless of how easy or hard it was to steal . . if we all were making it more difficult, guess what thieves would still steal until the risk of punishment is great . we're not going to make them go out and be responsible citizens by locking cars or blaming the victims.

Victims are already out the goods and often embarrassed and punishing themselves . . they've been violated and are looking for justice . . justice isn't about the victim's carelessness or bad ideas that push the criminals along to some other grift, it's increasing the risk of capture with "fair" punishment that encourages civil behavior instead of building long rap sheets.


Well said (written).
After I got burglarized and having either to move things to storage or cram it into a safe the burglary detective said no one should have to lock their stuff up inside their own home everytime they leave.
Granted, people need to watch there stuff now as the country is fast digressing to a third world but if people don't install an anti personel high fence around their property or God forbid leave something of value in their car and it gets stolen it's not the victim's fault.
alias2  [Member]
5/5/2012 9:55:50 AM EST
Originally Posted By modnar:
We had a string of break-ins in my neighborhood a few weeks back or so that made the local Fox 4 news. Something about using an electronic device to get into the cars. Their website redesign killed the article. This has a screenshot of the security camera.

First I've heard of 'electronic devices' breaking into cars. I'm not worried myself, I don't keep anything valuable in it. Plus my truck doesn't have remote locks...


I saw on A&E where they interviewed some career car thief cockroach and he showed a laptop which he said could overide any car theft system including the anti-theft setting on a custom burned program (chip).

It's not only the property inside you need to worry about but the whole damn vehicle.

Back in my wilder days I knew a chick who once dated a guy that owned a foreign car repair shop in Dallas that specialized in Mercedes, Jags, Porches, Lambo's. When a customer's car would come in that he liked or had a buyer waiting for it he would take the VIN and other info and just order a duplicate key from the company. He already had the address where the car stayed. She said he also stole more than one new car right off the dealer's lot who had brought it in earlier for custom work using that method.

Baltus  [Member]
5/6/2012 6:47:20 PM EST
My friend who lives in Grand Prairie just had her car burglarized on Thursday at her house. Her dad's truck got hit too. She didn't really care about the stuff that got taken, but she was kind of shaken at the thought of some random stranger going through her stuff.

However, the police that she talked to said that they've had several incidents in her neighborhood and they have a really solid idea of who it is, they just need some evidence to get the bastard.
Guz  [Member]
5/7/2012 2:06:09 AM EST
Originally Posted By JC77:
I'm in Frisco as well. Lots of locals here. We should schedule a happy hour.


I'm in.
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