B.O.W.I.E. Club - EDCing of an Illegal Knife.

You sir, are my hero.

Good luck with your venture. I don't have a knife that is over the length limit that's worth a shit. Hopefully you don't meet up with a leo that thinks otherwise.

So I guess you have a CCL, you want to knowingly carry a prohibited weapon, risk getting arrested, losing your CCL, getting that fine knife confiscated, attorneys fee's, court cost, possible job lose.

?

Oh wow. I did not know that the CHL nonapplicability thing.

I keep hearing that San Antonio has weird knife laws, are they actually different?

Kind of late to in before the "good luck with the judge", "enjoy the ride", or nice gut posts..

Anyway, since this comes up a couple times a year, what is the real intent of the non-applicability portion of UCW referenced above? Why put it in there if there is a backdoor for selective prosecution on things like intent to alarm others or something along the lines to disturb the peace.

A bowie knife like that cannot be considered a tool. If it were, you could carry it in the open, no problem. About half the time I'm in the Trinity Riverbottoms I need something to whack away vines and crap. So I bought a Gerber parang that I carry right on my back, sticks out like a sore thumb. The parang makes your bowie knife look like something a cub scout would carry. I go straight through the toughest neighborhoods on my mountain bike with it, no problem. Because its a trail tool. Like a shovel or pick axe. Never had anyone say squat about it. Because it's a tool. $30 at Walmart. Great price and I would pay twice as much for it. Maybe because it's the Bear Grylls edition that makes it cheap?

Story sounds good, but I disagree. The Jim Bowie above is just as much a tool as your example. If carried equally as open as OP has proposed in a public place, you'd get the same if not more scrutiny, and you both share "a ride". JB carried in your pack as shown while in transit from an acceptable use/activity, you get to use the "these are not the droids you're looking for" line.

eta. you get the 46.15 (b) (3) non applicable clause.

2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th post, I been thinking about gettin that B/G weed whacker. How do you like it? I've heard that the first gen of B/G knives were not worth a shit, because of breaking when using the butt of the knife to hammer stuff etc. They look pretty cool, but as you, I and the rest of us, I want something that is going to stand up to use in the field.

It works great on vines, small caliper branches, anything woody out of the package. If you want to chop actual weeds, like purple thistle or Johnson Grass, you need to sharpen the edge quite a bit. It will take an edge as sharp as you want, although you probably risk messing up the edge if you get it too sharp and decide to hack at something a hatchet would be better at. It is not sharp enough out of the box to chop a free hanging piece of sisal rope. It is sharp enough out of the box to chop down a small tree. If that makes sense.

Quality is great since the only thing to compare it to is a GI machete or maybe a Gurkha knife. Works well, inexpensive, does what it's supposed to do. The scabbard/sheath is heavy duty material too.

I have not used the handle end as a hammer yet. Or tried to pound something with it using the flat side. Or done trenching with it. Or whacked metal or rocks by accident. So I'm not sure how brittle the edge might be. No problems though. It just does the job.

I'm not in jail. Here's my night.

Interesting.
Looks like you have to have a valid CHL, and a handgun with you too.

Yes sir, and I did.

That knife is NOT a prohibited weapon

I guess the one negative thing that knife does though is that it really draws attention to the fact that you are carrying a pistol under your shirt. It looks plain as day in those last couple Target store photos.

Looking at your store photos, some of the smaller Bear Grylls knives you showed cost almost twice as much as the parang!

Cool, I've argued this portion of the law for a while now, It says what it says. There's been plenty of time for the legislature to have amended the writing.

I disagree. You can see the clip, but honestly how many people know what a holster clip looks like and would know to look for it?

Most people would just see the massive knife and focus on that.

Me personally, if I see a middle aged guy in a walmart with a large knife I'd keep away from him figuring that he is a bit weird, but I wouldn't call the cops or freak out or anything. Not sure it makes you any more obvious, but it does make you more of a target to people who would notice.

If I were robbing a place, and were criminally inclined anyway , I'd KNOW you were trouble and shoot you right off the bat.

Interesting. So with a CHL you can carry a an illegal knife. That I understand. But the knife doesn't have to be concealed ?
I would think for the same reason the hand gun needs to be concealed and secure so would a knife.

So, on this basis. You can't carry a concealed hand gun on a college campus. Can you carry an illegal knife ?
Double edged, switch blade ........?

There are no requirements for the knife to be concealed.

The thing is, alot of people either A) Dont give a shit to say anything. B) Are too scared to say anything. C) Dont realize he has it, or D) Appreciate the fact people are openly carrying protective devices.

I dont have a massive knife like that, but mine is about 10-12" overall, and I need a good sheath and I will start doing this. Knives are tools more than anything.

Hell, I could carry a pair of Kliens and be just as effective. You better believe those can crack a skull with a good swipe. OR carry a keyhole saw or sheet rock knife, that would do more tissue damage than anything.

There are many tools you can carry to do damage. I for one, dont care for being discreet. I would rather people know I have a weapon, than think I dont and try something. Seeing a weapon on someone is the biggest deterrent to any form or crime. Yes, you will have those few who will think about going for the weapon, but you got crazy people walking about every day. Id rather have it in the open, at the ready, rather than fumble through clothes to get to it.

ETA: What does EDCing mean? I cant find anything and all I can think of is Exposed Defensive Carry?

The dumbest thing about the size limit on knives is that if you attach two illegal knives together on a pivot it is suddenly a pair of scissors and safe to let children use in school.

Or hedge clippers, and safe to let strangers wander around with in your yard.

But if that rivet falls out, hoooo boy, now you've got a crazed maniac wielding two illegal knives! Noooooo!

EDC = Every Day Carry. What you have on your person most of the time.

Ive been telling people about the CHL exemption for years but no one believes me.
I carry an ESEE (RAT) Junglass everywhere. It stays in my truck while I'm at my day job, but its always on me in the field.

Is that a kangaroo behind you in that pic?

No. If you are carrying a valid CHL and a concleaed handgun of the proper category then none of penal code 46.02 applies to you. Nothing in either 46.15(b) or 46.02 requires concealeing the knife.

A person with a CHL can carry a handgun on a college campus.

By Texas law, a switchblade is not an illegal knife(PC 46.01(6), it is a prohibited weapon (PC 46.05) and outside what we are talking about here.

Hurray for doing things we know we probably shouldn't just because we can!

So looking up the penal code
6) "Illegal knife" means a:
(A) knife with a blade over five and one-half inches;
(B) hand instrument designed to cut or stab another by being thrown;
(C) dagger, including but not limited to a dirk, stiletto, and poniard;
(D) bowie knife;(E) sword; or
(F) spear.

I can carry a spear and a sword as long as I have my conceal permit and my gun with me ?

Seems so....

Looks like I should clean up and carry the Gerber Mark II more often.

I have a bunch of "illegal" knives that would be interesting to carry.
Larue Battle Knife jumps to mind

PC §46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits
an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon
listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution,
any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or
educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation
vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or
educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written
regulations or written authorization of the institution;

Just wanting some clarification. I thought campus carry was shot down ?

The definition of "premises" in penal code sections 46.03 and 46.035 is a building or a portion of a building. The definition specifically states that it does not include parking lots, parking garages, driveways, sidewalks, etc.

Of course, that is not much help for students or faculty who need to enter buildings and go from one building to another.

LOL, that was my first thought too.

Feed your dog man.

My understanding is that collapsible batons, such as the ASP, are "illegal clubs" under Texas law.

So does this non-applicability mean I can carry an impact weapon while I'm carrying on my CHL?

Also, looking at this through the prism of "definition of what is is", this really only applies to a Texas CHL, because they are the only ones issued under the cited law, right??

Or if there are any school sponsored activities occurring on the campus grounds at that time? That seems to be a bit of a sticking point.

With all that crap you're hauling around, seems like it would just be easier to throw an AKM on your back.

Actually we don't have "illegal clubs". Clubs are illegal to carry on or about your person except for specific listed circumstances.

Collapsible batons are clubs. See penal code 46.01 for the definition.

Yep

I think Sikhs are exempt on religious first amendment grounds
The Kirpan is required vestment.
Kirpan

That's how it reads to me, although I am not a lawyer and, more importantly, not your lawyer, so this does not constitute legal advice.

ETA: As long as "impact weapon" means something you hold in your hand to hit someone else with. The items specifically listed under 46.01 as "clubs" are blackjacks, nightsticks, maces and tomahawks. An ASP is just a retractable nightstick, so I think a good case could be made for that.

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