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veeklog  [Team Member]
6/23/2009 1:13:13 AM
I am a U.S. Citizen moving to Montreal for work in September. I will be taking the Canadian Restricted Firearms Safety Course after I arrive, and will be applying for a Possession and Acquisition License (PAL) after I completed the course. I would like to purchase a AR after I am granted the license, either a LMT, Colt, or someother reputable brand. The websites I have seen all feature Norinco or brands I don't care for. Also, I would like to know if buying a stripped lower constitutes buying a complete rifle. Thanks.
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nosce_te_ipsum  [Member]
6/23/2009 11:59:40 AM
The receiver is the registered part that requires the restricted license, so in essence it is the rifle.

As for dealers, try the following;

Questar
http://www.questar.ca/

Arms East
http://www.armseast.com/

Wolverine
http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/

Freedom Ventures
http://www.freedomventures.ca/
Joguwa86  [Team Member]
6/23/2009 12:50:24 PM
(I'm in a somewhat similar situation)

Would he be able to bring his rifle back to the US when his time in Canada is up? Or would Canadian gun registration laws prevent that?
nosce_te_ipsum  [Member]
6/23/2009 2:16:14 PM
You would have to approach each respective government and complete exportation/importation documentation to transfer to the US when leaving. My suspicion is it would be easier to sell here and rebuy in the US, but if you really wanted to do this it should be possible. Your biggest hurdle will be importing into the US given US State dept. policies of late.

Also, if you want further info on the Cdn. firearms scene, plus a healthy equipment exchange where AR's come up quite regularly, visit canadiangunnutz.com.
v65magnafan  [Member]
6/25/2009 8:06:48 PM
Do your own due diligence, but I think this is the form you must use if you plan to import it permanently.

http://www.atlasvanlines.ca/Firearms.pdf
TheCanuck  [Team Member]
6/26/2009 1:48:23 AM
Originally Posted By veeklog:
I am a U.S. Citizen moving to Montreal for work in September. I will be taking the Canadian Restricted Firearms Safety Course after I arrive, and will be applying for a Possession and Acquisition License (PAL) after I completed the course. I would like to purchase a AR after I am granted the license, either a LMT, Colt, or someother reputable brand. The websites I have seen all feature Norinco or brands I don't care for. Also, I would like to know if buying a stripped lower constitutes buying a complete rifle. Thanks.


Be advised that due to the Dawson College shooting and lieberals being in power in Quebec, it now takes a super long time to get transfer(as in from the shop/private party to you) of restricted semi-auto rifles approved. As in 4+ months.

Solution? Buy a semi-auto MG34 with 200 rounds belts. No waiting periods because it is much less lethal than an AR15 with 10 round mags
homeyclaus  [Team Member]
6/29/2009 2:27:59 PM
Originally Posted By Joguwa86:
(I'm in a somewhat similar situation)

Would he be able to bring his rifle back to the US when his time in Canada is up? Or would Canadian gun registration laws prevent that?


IANAL and YMMV and all the other disclaimers apply to what's below.

You will need (other than a Tylenol before reading this):

CANADA:
A permit to export from the province's respective firearm head honcho. I keep forgetting what their title is - chief firearms officer or something. If you're in Quebec and file in English, expect a delay. Sometimes US customs won't care or check this, so if you're not into taking it back to Canada, ever, then this may not be necessary - just update the CFO with your new address, in the USA, and your certificate of registration should still be okay.

USA:
You need to fill out an ATF Form 6B "Importation of Firearms and Implements of War", give that to your intended local FFL who will file it with the ATF. NOBODY will want to do this, since most FFLs think the ATF will red flag them, audit the piss out of them, and generally make their life miserable. It's a one page form they mail in with their usual crap to the ATF, but they still won't do it.

If they do: At some point, the FFL will get it back with all the right stamps on it - some will insist it the firearm be shipped to them and want to do a 4473. Technically that's not necessary, but I think they all do that to make sure you're not some canuckistani jihadi bent on killing blue eyed babies and puppies.

The ATF has a customer service number, and the lady who deals with such things is very nice, and knows the rules. She does not, however, deal with the forms, they're dealt with in the bowels of the ministry of things there, and rumor has it they have not processed private Form 6B's for some time, like since 2005.

When everyone is done with their rubber stamps and things:

Go to Canada, get your firearm, show the stamped and okayed Form 6B to the US Customs people, and perhaps the Canadian docs for it. That should be it.

DO NOT DO:
1. Drive across the border with it without the forms. Remember, American or not, you have no rights afforded by the constitution until ADMITTED to the United States. They can hold you almost indefinitely if they don't like the way you look. Really.
2. Believe your FFL. They're full of shit unless they do this all the time, and even then I'd call the ATF, and get the name of the person you spoke to and the date and time, and write it down. Had I listened to my FFL's advice I'd be in the clink now.
3. Think you can get this all done in less than six months. It took me that long to get a straight answer from an FFL who knew what a Form 6B was. Note that Revenue Canada will think you have "roots" in Canada with a valid firearms registration, and they could, in theory, collect the difference between US and Canadian taxes from you if they think you kind of might have still have been living there if they feel like it. You may want to transfer the firearm to a friend there, and have it transferred back to you just before you export it. The Americans won't care - it's not their system.


Outfits like Marstar have both Canadian licenses to sell and FFLs, and will do it all for you for something like $500.00 per firearm, last time I called. Or was it $500 for the first, and 250 for the next? Can't remember.

If it sounds like a bureaucratic circle-jerk, it's because it is. It's hard enough to discourage just about all transfers.

ETA: Don't forget to make sure your permit to transport is in order too!
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