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 Are 15/30 15/20 10/20 blocked/pinned mags legal in NJ
Loeyboy  [Member]
7/7/2011 9:27:21 AM
I can't seem to get a straight answer from any dealer on this, but I do know that no NJ gun dealer is allowed to sell pinned/blocked 15/30 round mags.
You can buy them out state from MTN or Midwest PX and 44mag will sell them to you as "parts repair kits". What is the true law surrounding these?

I've been told:
There is no law that says you can own them?
You can have them but they have to manufactured this way?
You can buy them, but they need to be permanently pinned and the can't just have screw blocking them that can be easily removed?
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LUGERMAN  [Team Member]
7/7/2011 9:44:04 AM
They must be "permanently altered" to not hold more then 15 rounds.

That came from the AG's office but they never gave any guidelines as to what is or is not acceptable.

Typical NJ when it comes to our 2A rights.
dontalo  [Member]
7/7/2011 10:39:59 AM
You are 100% correct. There is no law that says you are allowed to have them. There are no laws specifying what "perminent" means. So, it is up to the courts to determine what is reasonable. And therein lies the problem. You are expecting NJ courts to be reasonable about a firearm issue.

I did a quick internet search. I did not find any State PoPo guidelines or court cases to reference. So, it looks like it is all going to boil down to a matter of opinion.

IMHO, pinning should be interpreted as "perminent." True, all you need is a drill to remove the pin. But it is consider OK for stocks. So, why not for mags as well. But that is just my opinion.

If a NJ gunsmith does it, you will be much safer than if you do it yourself. That could be an afirmative defence: you made reasonable efforts to obey the laws by hiring a licensed professional. But then, if you are going to pay a gunsmith, why not just buy 15-round mags. They only cost $3 to $5 more than standard mags. How much are you going to pay to have the standard mags modified?

tuffirish  [Member]
7/9/2011 12:32:10 PM
go to a "friends " house in PA and cut down 20 or 30 rounders. Like was mentioned with the Ak mags in another thread .
240shwag  [Team Member]
7/9/2011 1:22:58 PM

Originally Posted By Loeyboy:
I can't seem to get a straight answer from any dealer on this, but I do know that no NJ gun dealer is allowed to sell pinned/blocked 15/30 round mags.
You can buy them out state from MTN or Midwest PX and 44mag will sell them to you as "parts repair kits". What is the true law surrounding these?

I've been told:
There is no law that says you can own them?
You can have them but they have to manufactured this way?
You can buy them, but they need to be permanently pinned and the can't just have screw blocking them that can be easily removed?
Dont know where you got that info from.
Shore shot in Lakewood had around 50pcs of 15/30 Magpuls last time I was there...
Justin_Sain  [Member]
7/9/2011 2:40:44 PM
People "knowing stuff" is 1/2 the problem in NJ

No offense to the OP, but misinformation is a huge problem in NJ
xm177e2687  [Team Member]
7/9/2011 4:21:20 PM
Originally Posted By dontalo:
You are 100% correct. There is no law that says you are allowed to have them. There are no laws specifying what "perminent" means. So, it is up to the courts to determine what is reasonable. And therein lies the problem. You are expecting NJ courts to be reasonable about a firearm issue.

I did a quick internet search. I did not find any State PoPo guidelines or court cases to reference. So, it looks like it is all going to boil down to a matter of opinion.

IMHO, pinning should be interpreted as "perminent." True, all you need is a drill to remove the pin. But it is consider OK for stocks. So, why not for mags as well. But that is just my opinion.

If a NJ gunsmith does it, you will be much safer than if you do it yourself. That could be an afirmative defence: you made reasonable efforts to obey the laws by hiring a licensed professional. But then, if you are going to pay a gunsmith, why not just buy 15-round mags. They only cost $3 to $5 $13 to $25 more than standard mags. How much are you going to pay to have the standard mags modified?



Fixed it for ya.. assuming you are reffering to rifle magazines. OP, blocked mags are legal here, and there are some shops that will cut/block/pin any mag you want but they have to be shipped to the shop first since we cannot have them here. There are also some shops that stock mags that are already blocked to NJ capacity as mentioned by another poster in this thread. Just be prepared to pay 3x as much for the lower capacity magazine then you would for a standard capacity magazine. Check out the thread I made recently in this forum, If you ever find yourself out in PA for a weekend and have the capability, purchase some surplus 30rd mags (AR mags can be had from 5-10 bucks used, AK from 5-15 used do NOT bring them back into NJ until they are permanently modified to NJ legal capacity) then you can cut the mag down or permanently pin and block them. To be honest, although the 15/30 mags are legal here, I'd rather just have a mag that is cut down and obviously compliant to avoid any possible issues that could arise based on the appearance of the magazine.
dontalo  [Member]
7/10/2011 12:08:24 AM
I ordered 5 15-round Magpul from Spikes Tactical for $15 each. I saw Magpuls on Midway USA a few months ago for $13. Midway is out of stock now, but backordering is OK. Spikes had them in stock as of June 01. These are not pinned 30-round, but half-length factory made 15-round mags.

MagPul Pmag Magazine AR-15 223 Remington 15-Round Polymer Black
Product #: 166648
Manufacturer #: MAG-237-BLK
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=166648
Trumptone  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 7:50:33 AM
Originally Posted By dontalo:
I ordered 5 15-round Magpul from Spikes Tactical for $15 each. I saw Magpuls on Midway USA a few months ago for $13. Midway is out of stock now, but backordering is OK. Spikes had them in stock as of June 01. These are not pinned 30-round, but half-length factory made 15-round mags.

MagPul Pmag Magazine AR-15 223 Remington 15-Round Polymer Black
Product #: 166648
Manufacturer #: MAG-237-BLK
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=166648


The Magpul factory 15 rounders are finally out? That's great news!
taegeuk  [Member]
7/10/2011 5:57:30 PM
Originally Posted By Trumptone:
Originally Posted By dontalo:
I ordered 5 15-round Magpul from Spikes Tactical for $15 each. I saw Magpuls on Midway USA a few months ago for $13. Midway is out of stock now, but backordering is OK. Spikes had them in stock as of June 01. These are not pinned 30-round, but half-length factory made 15-round mags.

MagPul Pmag Magazine AR-15 223 Remington 15-Round Polymer Black
Product #: 166648
Manufacturer #: MAG-237-BLK
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=166648


The Magpul factory 15 rounders are finally out? That's great news!


I have been waiting for mine from midwayusa since 5/9... But I think they are pinned 15/20 magpuls...that's what the rep told me. They keep pushing the backorder date back every month...when I placed the order back in may it was only supposed to be 4 weeks wait. Fuckin a
Loeyboy  [Member]
7/10/2011 11:46:54 PM
Originally Posted By Justin_Sain:
People "knowing stuff" is 1/2 the problem in NJ

No offense to the OP, but misinformation is a huge problem in NJ


The information I got came directly from several gun dealers. Some don't even know the law? That's is why I posted this topic.
240shwag  [Team Member]
7/11/2011 7:40:11 AM

Originally Posted By Justin_Sain:
People "knowing stuff" is 1/2 the problem in NJ

No offense to the OP, but misinformation is a huge problem in NJ

It is where all of our problems stem from in the first place.
dontalo  [Member]
7/11/2011 8:24:48 AM
Originally Posted By taegeuk:
... But I think they are pinned 15/20 magpuls...that's what the rep told me. They keep pushing the backorder date back every month...when I placed the order back in may it was only supposed to be 4 weeks wait.


Hmmm... I just checked Mugpul's website and could not find the manufacture's product number listed on Midway; nothing even close. Now you have me worried.

When I ordered mags with my custom build from Spikes, I asked if they were pinned fullsize or half-length. Scott Johnson told me they were not pinned and were true half-length mags. I am going to be dissappointed if my ST comes with pinned 20-rounders.
Trumptone  [Team Member]
7/11/2011 4:27:27 PM
I think you will be disappointed when you receive them. I wouldn't be surprised if you get the BDM 15 round mags, which are for .22lr.
dontalo  [Member]
7/11/2011 5:47:05 PM
Originally Posted By Trumptone:
I think you will be disappointed when you receive them. I wouldn't be surprised if you get the BDM 15 round mags, which are for .22lr.


OMG! You scared the crap out of me.
I checked my invoice: SM5P151 - Magazine - (5.56) Pmag 15rnd - Black
Looks like I am good.
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