Originally Posted By Airbrush:
...& am now the proud owner of a BAR15 .223.

I've put a S&B short dot 1.5 -6 x20 on it & was wondering what distance would be the best zero for Service rifle?

Got a steep learning curve as I've never dialled in a scope before, always used mildots to aim off.

Originally Posted By DaddyPig:


1000 yards....

Originally Posted By DaddyPig:


1000 yards....

Originally Posted By Airbrush:


It's a .223 not hmr.

Originally Posted By DaddyPig:


I zero at 200 then dial up...

Originally Posted By Airbrush:
Thanks for the advice chaps, I shall be having a bonding session with it in deepest darkest Norfolk next weekend.

Originally Posted By Airbrush:
Thanks for the advice chaps, I shall be having a bonding session with it in deepest darkest Norfolk next weekend.

Originally Posted By Bradders:


Have you bought ammo?

Originally Posted By lynk:
Personally I use a 200 yard Zero, then with RUAG...

100 -1
200 0
300 2
400 5
500 8
600 12

Originally Posted By Airbrush:


Not yet, I was planning on getting some GGG from Bisley on sunday.

Originally Posted By Bradders:


Coolio

Originally Posted By Airbrush:
Thanks for the advice chaps, I shall be having a bonding session with it in deepest darkest Norfolk next weekend.

Originally Posted By Bradders:

No point zeroing off a bipod at 100yds as you'll never shoot from that position

Originally Posted By PeteSlinn:
We demand pics of this new rifle - you know the rules!

Originally Posted By DavidTS:


Apart from January's CSR match

Originally Posted By Airbrush:
...& am now the proud owner of a BAR15 .223.

I've put a S&B short dot 1.5 -6 x20 on it & was wondering what distance would be the best zero for Service rifle?

Got a steep learning curve as I've never dialled in a scope before, always used mildots to aim off.

Originally Posted By Bradders:


What?

Originally Posted By DavidTS:


I knew that would get you going

I'd zeroed my SGC Speedmaster at 100 prior to the match (it's next time out will be at 100/300/600 and I couldn't be arsed to zero twice with range time at £25/hour) so it was set up perfectly for McQueens 100, aim dead on, McQueens 200 aim off a couple of inches - and I shot off the bipod

Originally Posted By Bradders:


Well if that's what floats your boat, but it isn't what I said so carry on

Originally Posted By Badger66:


Problem is Mark folks do not fully understand zeroing and get it confused with application of fire. I had a blow out with a guy on the FAL forum a while back who thought point of aim =point of impact

Originally Posted By lynk:
Every time I look at the scores the sitting practices (at 200 and 400) have killed me

More practice needed...

Master 100 standing and 200 sitting and you'll start winning matches.
Master those and 500 prone and you'll start winning championships.

Originally Posted By Bradders:


Precisely
In this instance we have someone stating they zeroed prone at 100 for a standing match and then "aimed off a couple of inches at 200" when sighting shots were included at 200

The trouble is many people haven't shot a 100yd standing snap practise, are fairly erratic when they do and therefore don't have the confidence to take their sighters/zeroing shots from position, especially as they usually don't know how (or are unable) to call the shot
I used to find standing really difficult and struggled to get more than 6/7 or sometimes 8 hits on target. Therefore I started to dislike it. And when you dislike a certain element of your shooting conditions, you will never enjoy it and thus never be any good at it, because you just want to rush through it and get it over with.

When I started running the CSR matches, I made it a priority to include a 100yd standing practise in every match where possible.....because it's good training.
Now I thoroughly enjoy the challenge and in fact relish the standing practise. These days I'm disappointed if I don't get all 10 on paper (last weekend I dropped one and it could have won me the match), and 10 in the 4 ring is still 40 good points.
The other practise I really enjoy is 200 sitting. That is the other true challenge.
I could talk about my experiences at 200 sitting all day long but will save it for another day.

Prone is prone and there are no excuses for doing badly.
Get a good zero, shoot decent ammo and take a few seconds to build yourself a solid repeatable position and have at it.
500yds should include a bit more care than the other distances as there's a whole lot more going on.

Master 100 standing and 200 sitting and you'll start winning matches.
Master those and 500 prone and you'll start winning championships.

Originally Posted By DavidTS:


Someone has a name. It is me. First off, I made a mistake in my previous post, for some reason I thought McQueens 100 was shot prone, I forgot it was standing/kneeling. My error.

Anyway, you know the score. I didn't buy my Speedmaster specifically for CSR. I bought it for my local club range, which is shot at 100/300/600, and the rifle is not really suitable for CSR (too long a barrel, too heavy), nor is the scope (6-24 mag). It has to do for everything, and it is a compromise for CSR.

I wasn't shooting the match with the ammo I zeroed with (thanks to Tim for the kind offer of the free ammo), and didn't want to faff around with the elevation settings on the scope on the day to go from 100 to 200 when I didn't know exactly what I had to dial in and I wouldn't get it in two sighting shots, so it was easier to hold over (I didn't make this up, one of the experienced CSR shooters suggested it).

Every time I rezero it costs me £25 at the range and two hours time door to door, plus ammo. Easier to leave it at the 100 it is zeroed at and hold over/under, rather than have to go back and zero again before my next club day.

Since my McQueens 200 was my best score I can't have been that crap at holding over.

It was my first CSR match, I didn't have a clue what I was doing, first time I had used the rifle apart from zero it, but I turned up, had a go, expected a poor score which is exactly what I got, and I didn't care as I had a good day. Of course I will want to do better next time, and hopefully will.

You will recall when I was looking for a rifle you did nothing but slag me off on the forum - "he's a waster, he'll never buy it" etc. You were wrong, I did buy a rifle.

Then you slagged me off again, "he's a waster, he'll never turn up to a match" etc. Wrong again, I did turn up. Despite the slagging off I will be along to another match.

You are always slagging people off for not turning up to matches (or 101 other reasons), perhaps you might get a better turnout if you were a bit more encouraging

Originally Posted By RN-Submariner:
If you think he's being rude he's not, it just that he's a Ginger Cunt and always like that.

Originally Posted By Bradders:



A bit more encouraging?
I finally got you to come along, did I not?
As for getting more people to turn up, well that's already happening and as you would have noticed the match was full!
Now, the moment you turned up you stopped being a waster, but that could change if you don't show up again

All I want is for people to come along, enjoy themselves and then learn.
Not only learn but learn how to teach themselves to get better.

Originally Posted By Bradders:
I slag people off as you say for not turning up to matches because they're scaredy cats and yellow bellied chickens who are afraid of enjoying themselves. Don't think it's all aimed at you.

Look at Dan-the-man. I've been giving him the same abuse for years and he finally bit the bullet and came along, and now the fucker can't keep away

In fact last week he dumped the bipod and lightweight trigger, shot service class, got a very good score and enjoyed himself more than he previously had

Originally Posted By Bradders:


....and a sling

Originally Posted By JABBER-JAW:


Join the club - I hate sitting, standing ok.

Try sitting at 300 and 400 and during the run down .....

Originally Posted By Bradders:


As I was saying,
Continue to "hate it" and continue to do bad at it

Originally Posted By Bradders:


As I was saying,
Continue to "hate it" and continue to do bad at it

Originally Posted By Bradders:
As I was saying,
Continue to "hate it" and continue to do bad at it

Originally Posted By Anaxes:
Happy shooting!



Is there a way to practise standing and sitting firing positions at Bisley? They have signs up everywhere that forbid it without permission and I wondered what gaining permission takes? It is allowed at the local MOD range, but we're usually without time for practise, or we're shooting 3-positional with Enfields only.

I used to shoot standing twice a week, but now I'm lucky if it's once a month.

Originally Posted By Hutch526:
Where does it say no standing/sitting?

The only limitation I know of is no prone on century at 100 because of angles into the backstop

I regularly do sitting or standing on short Siberia
Just tell the range office what your doing when you sign in

Originally Posted By Anaxes:


I think there are signs on Short Siberia for starters that mention prone or supine only and sitting (probably benched) with permission from the range office. My club has mentioned you aren't allowed to shoot either a few times, although you seem to be able to shoot kneeling with the rifle on sticks. RCO once also told me neither standing or kneeling is permitted on Century (I was at 300yds).

Originally Posted By Badger66:
You can do a great deal to improve your standing & kneeling by simply conducting hours of dry firing. This was standard for competitors when I skied biathlon after you'd sorted out you skis for the morning you'd get your boots back on clip into some skis in the apartment and dream of glory aiming at the light switches just Ike prone a solid position is key to hitting tiny targets.

Originally Posted By Hutch526:We've even shot standing at 300 on century before,
Maybe it was a club rule, but not a NSC rule
If you ask about prone sitting or kneeling on short Siberia,
at 100 they will put you on lanes 7-10
Lanes 1-6 are bench rest or standing under the shelter
But never seen any signs there

Originally Posted By Agent_Funky:


Is there a need when practicing by dry firing to use a dry firing device to protect the bolt and firing pin?

I've seen them for sale and have often wondered if they were a good thing to have.

If so, can anyone reccomend a good dry firing device that will help with this type of practice?

Originally Posted By DavidTS:


A good point. I personally do not like to dry fire any gun, rifle or shotgun, out of mechanical sympathy. There are plenty of stories around about snapped strikers on shotguns that have been dry fired.

You can get snap caps for centrefires, someone gave me a couple for my .243.

Originally Posted By DavidTS:


A good point. I personally do not like to dry fire any gun, rifle or shotgun, out of mechanical sympathy. There are plenty of stories around about snapped strikers on shotguns that have been dry fired.

You can get snap caps for centrefires, someone gave me a couple for my .243.