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 Experience with Sabre Defence XR-15 guns??
DeeJay574  [Member]
2/1/2005 10:29:15 PM EST
I´m from Germany and i like to buy an AR-15.

I have to decide between an Oberland-Arms OA-15 and a Sabre Defence XR-15 Standard A2 type.

Does someone have experience with a Sabre XR-15 rifle? Are their barrells chrome lined?

It will be nice, if u give me some informations!

Regards,
Daniel
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Gunbert  [Team Member]
2/1/2005 10:37:47 PM EST
I wish I could say I've shot their equipment, but I haven't seen any here in the states. I did, however, just have a lengthy talk with them at the SHOT show here in vegas this past weekend, and every one of their designs was top notch. I neglected to ask if they chrome lined their barrels though, I was too busy drooling over their super short barreled AR with the integral looking suppressor. That thing was sweeet. I don't know about the Oberland you were mentioning, however after handling some of Sabre's equipment I wouldn't hesitate to buy them.
DeeJay574  [Member]
2/1/2005 11:19:30 PM EST
Thank you for the informations, Gunbert!

The reviews in our local gun magazines are very positive. The precision is very good, cause the barrell is free floating in the Standard A2 style models.

But the only thing that i´m not sure is the barrell. I like to buy a chrome lined type, because of the better cleaning possibility and longer service life.
Ar-Lux  [Member]
2/2/2005 6:26:38 AM EST
Hi,

Funny, .. I was wondering if I do this in German or English

I'm from Luxembourg and I own a XR15 Compact A3.

I am very pleased with it. Before I bought it I checked on Colt, DPMS, OA, and Sabre.
I choose the Sabre because of some reviews and long talks in othe forums.
The finishing is excellent, and it's working perfectly well.

I had some trouble in the begining but the Reseller send a free D-Ring and since then
it's all ok. I had FTE's with some brands of Ammunition.

I can only say, .. go for it.

Tom

PS: The OA one is also very nice, ... but a tiny bit too fancy.
streetfighter  [Member]
2/2/2005 8:19:04 AM EST

Are their barrells chrome lined?





No, they're not

Mark
DeeJay574  [Member]
2/2/2005 10:45:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Are their barrells chrome lined?





No, they're not

Mark



Thank you for the answer Mark,
that´s an important information for me.

Do you have another first hand impressions of their guns?

Regards,
Daniel
ACR26  [Member]
2/2/2005 11:04:16 AM EST
UK customer service is poor, very poor!
Some of the build quality is not all that it should be;
Most people require a dremel to get it to feed reliably.
And should you decide to believe the nasty rumors about cancelled contracts…
bradlybeater  [Member]
2/2/2005 11:57:32 AM EST
Don't bother awful customer service.
streetfighter  [Member]
2/2/2005 12:20:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By DeeJay574:

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Are their barrells chrome lined?





No, they're not

Mark



Thank you for the answer Mark,
that´s an important information for me.

Do you have another first hand impressions of their guns?

Regards,
Daniel



As the others have said, their customer service is poor, even for us and we've known them for years.
The parts they use are the same as everyone else uses as far as I can tell, so they're OK.
They machine their own lower receivers from 80% forgings imported from the US.
They have their own barrel manufacturing plant in Tennessee and they aren't the best quality.
In fact they leave a lot to be desired.
They chamber them in 5.56 but don't take any great care in setting the barrels up for chambering.

The average customer won't know this though, he just buys the guns and is happy because he's just bought an AR15 and that's all he wants.
My suggestion is to buy the rifle and throw the barrel away, unless you want a plinker.
Get a Walther, they're much better. We buy our barrels from Walther. Of you're worried about the chamber.....well, reamers only cost $130 from the US

Mark
ps, what ACR26 says about cancelled contracts.......hmmm, wouldn't bet my life on one!!
innocent_bystander  [Team Member]
2/2/2005 12:45:33 PM EST
I've heard good reviews about the 14.5" 1x9 chrome lined Sabre Defence barrels. They don't have the M4 profile, more of a lightweight profile.

I know a couple of guys with them.

These are coming from Sabre Defence here in the US.

www.sabredefence.com/html/data_sheets.html
streetfighter  [Member]
2/2/2005 2:21:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By innocent_bystander:
I've heard good reviews about the 14.5" 1x9 chrome lined Sabre Defence barrels. They don't have the M4 profile, more of a lightweight profile.

I know a couple of guys with them.

These are coming from Sabre Defence here in the US.

www.sabredefence.com/html/data_sheets.html



It's possible that the barrels they sell in the US are chrome lined. After all they have a barrel mfg plant there, but all the barrels they make for the European market are made here in the UK and AFAIK, they don't have any facilities to chrome.
maybe things have changed.
I can find out though.
With that said, even a bad barrel can shoot reasonably well, but I've never heard of anyone using one for a match grade rifle.
Put a borescope down one and then tell me otherwise.

Mark
Ar-Lux  [Member]
2/2/2005 8:39:50 PM EST
Customer Service in Germany was great. I don't know about the UK one. That said the one in Germany is not from Sabre but from Schumacher (Sabre Reseller).
As far as the finishing goes, I've compared them to a DPMS and coulnd't see a big difference in quality. Precision at 100 and 200 m is great. If I want more precision I use a Bolt Rifle.

On the fact sheet it says:

The XR15-A3 Compact has a 16” HBAR contour Sabre premium 4150 chrome-moly 1-in-9 match grade barrel.
· Sabre A3 flat-top forged 7075-T6 upper.
· A3 detachable carry handle with adjustable rear sight.
· Car round handguards.
· Post-ban Tac-brake permanently pinned or 11° target crown.
· Pre-ban A2 Flash suppressor.
· Sabre forged 7075-T6 lower.
· Standard Mil-Spec single stage hammer and trigger.
· A2 butt stock and grip.

I guess chrome moly means chrome lined no?
THellURider  [Team Member]
2/2/2005 8:46:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ar-Lux:

I guess chrome moly means chrome lined no?



No. Sorry Chrome moly does not equal chrome lined.
Ar-Lux  [Member]
2/2/2005 8:53:37 PM EST
can you explain me the difference? I thought it was.

Cheers

Tom
THellURider  [Team Member]
2/2/2005 9:06:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ar-Lux:
can you explain me the difference? I thought it was.

Cheers

Tom



Chrome Moly is just in reference to the material used in the barrel.
DeeJay574  [Member]
2/2/2005 9:11:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ar-Lux:
can you explain me the difference? I thought it was.

Cheers

Tom


Chrome-Moly is the material of the barrells.
Both types are from Chrome-Moly steel. But the chrome lined has additionaly a layer of pure chrome in the inside of the barrell. This is for longer service life and better cleaning possibilities.

That´s why i went back from a Sabre Defence. I want either a Stainless Steel or a chrome lined barrell.
Ar-Lux  [Member]
2/2/2005 9:12:59 PM EST
Ok. that does make sense. Thanks for the explanation.

I guess I will have to get a new barrell then, ..
Scope-eye  [Member]
2/3/2005 8:40:36 AM EST
I believe the barrel company Sabre acquired in Tennessee was called RAMO a defence contract barrel maker (50 cal etc). I didn't know they re-branded to the Sabre name. From what I heard the Ramo barrels didn't have a great reputation. (Speak to Rock Creek for the quality of barrels).

All the parts are stock parts sourced in the US, so they should be the same quality as many of the other manufactuers' parts and the lowers are machined and finished to a good standard.

As far as a 14.5"/16" barrelled rifle goes I guess they're good enough, and Streetfighter's right, most shooters won't know the difference (they don't appear to cenre the reamer to the bore with too much accuracy). But the blanks we've had off them in the UK are chrome-moly 1:9" or occationally 1:8", and not chromed lined.

Ar-Lux said it - FTEs. And so the rumours go on....
They were selling a whole load of cheap M4-profile barrels and blanks at the end of last year.
vito113  [Team Member]
2/8/2005 10:26:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By Scope-eye:
Ar-Lux said it - FTEs. And so the rumours go on....
They were selling a whole load of cheap M4-profile barrels and blanks at the end of last year.


(harrumpff) …contract for 4,000 military M4's… (Harrumpf)

Wonder if they all were 'delivered'… seems odd to have so many M4 barrels rolling around going cheap…

ANdy
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