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10/14/2009 5:42:02 AM
Are their weapons any good?
Are they compatible with standard AR15 parts?
Are they compatible with standard AR15 parts?
10/14/2009 8:07:57 AM
they will take US parts because they're built with US parts: only barrels and receivers are made in Germany.
the only non-standars part is the flash hider...their barrels are threaded with a different thread pitch that makes them incompatible with US muzzle devices.
they're super accurate due to the quality barrels used (Lothar Walther w/ Wylde chamber), but I've read/seen too many kabooms for my tastes
if you're looking for a precision/hunting gun they're GTG but if you're looking for a tactical/plinking/self-defense rifle look for something else.
the only non-standars part is the flash hider...their barrels are threaded with a different thread pitch that makes them incompatible with US muzzle devices.
they're super accurate due to the quality barrels used (Lothar Walther w/ Wylde chamber), but I've read/seen too many kabooms for my tastes
if you're looking for a precision/hunting gun they're GTG but if you're looking for a tactical/plinking/self-defense rifle look for something else.
10/14/2009 11:02:23 AM
Thanks! A friend was thinking of buying one to use for 3-gun match. I'll tell him to buy something else.
10/14/2009 12:04:09 PM
Originally Posted By swede1986:
Thanks! A friend was thinking of buying one to use for 3-gun match. I'll tell him to buy something else.
Thanks! A friend was thinking of buying one to use for 3-gun match. I'll tell him to buy something else.
I don't particularly like the Oberlandarms people, and I don't own one, yet
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A lot of my shooting buddies have them and I have to admit the accuracy is rather good, and I haven't heard any horror stories either
Those that own them are all more than happy with them 
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Frens, please post links to any such happenings on the web or it didn't happen
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Tony
10/14/2009 12:16:36 PM
Originally Posted By Frens:
they will take US parts because they're built with US parts: only barrels and receivers are made in Germany.
the only non-standars part is the flash hider...their barrels are threaded with a different thread pitch that makes them incompatible with US muzzle devices. Really, is that why some of their models take the phantom flash hider
Oberlandarms XS I could be wrong, but.
they're super accurate due to the quality barrels used (Lothar Walther w/ Wylde chamber), but I've read/seen too many kabooms for my tastes I'm at their factory next week, and I'll enquire about these Kabooms while I'm there.
if you're looking for a precision/hunting gun they're GTG but if you're looking for a tactical/plinking/self-defense rifle look for something else.
they will take US parts because they're built with US parts: only barrels and receivers are made in Germany.
the only non-standars part is the flash hider...their barrels are threaded with a different thread pitch that makes them incompatible with US muzzle devices. Really, is that why some of their models take the phantom flash hider
Oberlandarms XS I could be wrong, but.
they're super accurate due to the quality barrels used (Lothar Walther w/ Wylde chamber), but I've read/seen too many kabooms for my tastes
I'm at their factory next week, and I'll enquire about these Kabooms while I'm there.
if you're looking for a precision/hunting gun they're GTG but if you're looking for a tactical/plinking/self-defense rifle look for something else.
Tony
10/14/2009 5:29:38 PM
The YHM Phantom is made with threads other than 1/2"x28.
10/14/2009 6:05:43 PM
I know that, and the reason why they probably went with a non standard thread for the muzzle brake / flash hider has probably more to do with the silencer or suppressor phobia of our gubberment's.
I would still like to see links/pictures or whatever to the Oberlandarms Kabooms.
Tony
I would still like to see links/pictures or whatever to the Oberlandarms Kabooms.
Tony
10/14/2009 7:21:13 PM
sorry no pics but 2 friend of mine had Kabooms...one of the 2 after only 20rounds the other one KBed 3 months ago but I dont know the rounds count.
both broke in the same way: the barrel extension cracked.
I'll try to get pics of one of the 2.
also, a couple of years ago I received an email from a member of this site telling me he counted 30-40 KBs in Europe.
since I dont have the emails anymore all of this didnt happen
as for the FH:
go HERE an click "produkt Infos" under every FH...they say "M14x1" instead of 1/2x28TPI
the different thread is a nonsense...homemade/illegal silencers/suppessor can be made with every thread pitch
not bad for a 3000euro AR
both broke in the same way: the barrel extension cracked.
I'll try to get pics of one of the 2.
also, a couple of years ago I received an email from a member of this site telling me he counted 30-40 KBs in Europe.
since I dont have the emails anymore all of this didnt happen
as for the FH:
go HERE an click "produkt Infos" under every FH...they say "M14x1" instead of 1/2x28TPI
the different thread is a nonsense...homemade/illegal silencers/suppessor can be made with every thread pitch
not bad for a 3000euro AR
10/14/2009 9:11:31 PM
I've never heard of an AR kaboom. Came close once while shooting my 9mm AR, but I attribute that to a bad magazine.
10/15/2009 1:26:05 AM
There are a lot of causes for Kabooms, and they happen. Frens, can you remember who gave you the 30 to 40 in Europe figure, maybe he has more info on the subject 
Back when I was a gun sales person we had customers who wanted OA rifle and would have liked to have ordered them through us, but OA said send them to us, and their retail prices didn't leave any room for much if any profit after tax etc., and our customers wanted a super cheap deal that we tried to pass on to our customers.
There is the other point of having to wait for months before you get what you order, even if you go to their shop (about 80kms away from where I live), and I have been there about 5 times in 15 years.
While I was in sales I got into an argument with another reputable German rifle maker, they basically tried to gag me, but as I had the news paper clippings covering all of their kabooms and my only answer was the customer who inquired also expressed his reloading was hot, damping the powder down and topping it off a few times before he'd seat the bullet, and that it was only fair that he be warned what can and has happened in the past, and attached copies of the mishaps I never heard from them again. Who'd of thought the customer would go ask the manufacturer if I was telling the truth
, guess they didn't like the truth much, but even then one kaboom in any weapon with or without people getting injured or killed or property being damaged is one to many.
Until your reply Frens I hadn't heard of any OA weapons kabooming and am still very keen to learn more about it all.
I'm the last one to defend OA, as I initially stated I don't like them all that much.
Tony
Back when I was a gun sales person we had customers who wanted OA rifle and would have liked to have ordered them through us, but OA said send them to us, and their retail prices didn't leave any room for much if any profit after tax etc., and our customers wanted a super cheap deal that we tried to pass on to our customers.
There is the other point of having to wait for months before you get what you order, even if you go to their shop (about 80kms away from where I live), and I have been there about 5 times in 15 years.
While I was in sales I got into an argument with another reputable German rifle maker, they basically tried to gag me, but as I had the news paper clippings covering all of their kabooms and my only answer was the customer who inquired also expressed his reloading was hot, damping the powder down and topping it off a few times before he'd seat the bullet, and that it was only fair that he be warned what can and has happened in the past, and attached copies of the mishaps I never heard from them again. Who'd of thought the customer would go ask the manufacturer if I was telling the truth
, guess they didn't like the truth much, but even then one kaboom in any weapon with or without people getting injured or killed or property being damaged is one to many.
Until your reply Frens I hadn't heard of any OA weapons kabooming and am still very keen to learn more about it all.
I'm the last one to defend OA, as I initially stated I don't like them all that much.
Tony
10/15/2009 7:05:47 AM
ok, I got pic from my friend Denis.
we went to a match together this summer in july and I saw him having a couple of problems:
- chamber a round, pull the trigger, click no bang, ejecting the unfired round and find out the bullet is stuck into the chamber kept inplace by the rifling grooves (seemed too tight chamber tollerances to me)
- pull the trigger, hammer dont even fall, putting the selector to SAFE then again on FIRE position, pull the trigger, bang (finally)
2 weeks later he went to another match without me and the barrel extension broke...
according to him the carbine has fired less then 400 rounds (all factory S&B 55gr FMJ)
this is a part of the Oberland reply to his Email:
now, I know this things happens but it would have been nice if Oberland asked their customers to return their rifles for a barrel extension replacement when the early KB occured.
also, since they're using mostly US parts why didnt they used US barrel extension instead of trying to make their own?
btw Oberland will take care of this for free.
I'm quite sure newer models wont have this problem but how to tell a new model from a old one?? keep in mind my friend got his OA new in early 2009...
we went to a match together this summer in july and I saw him having a couple of problems:
- chamber a round, pull the trigger, click no bang, ejecting the unfired round and find out the bullet is stuck into the chamber kept inplace by the rifling grooves (seemed too tight chamber tollerances to me)
- pull the trigger, hammer dont even fall, putting the selector to SAFE then again on FIRE position, pull the trigger, bang (finally)
2 weeks later he went to another match without me and the barrel extension broke...
according to him the carbine has fired less then 400 rounds (all factory S&B 55gr FMJ)
this is a part of the Oberland reply to his Email:
This is because there was a heat threating problem in one lot of barrel extensions a few years ago. Unfortunally you got one of this parts.
now, I know this things happens but it would have been nice if Oberland asked their customers to return their rifles for a barrel extension replacement when the early KB occured.
also, since they're using mostly US parts why didnt they used US barrel extension instead of trying to make their own?
btw Oberland will take care of this for free.
I'm quite sure newer models wont have this problem but how to tell a new model from a old one?? keep in mind my friend got his OA new in early 2009...
10/15/2009 12:26:27 PM
I have to agree with Frens.
A colleague of mine had also trouble with his Oberlandarms AR15: Broken barrel extension! I do not think it could get much worse than that. Oberlandarms will repair it under warranty, but I am still happy that nobody got hurt!
As long as I can get an AR15 from an other manufacture I will not buy an Oberlandarms AR15!
A colleague of mine had also trouble with his Oberlandarms AR15: Broken barrel extension! I do not think it could get much worse than that. Oberlandarms will repair it under warranty, but I am still happy that nobody got hurt!
As long as I can get an AR15 from an other manufacture I will not buy an Oberlandarms AR15!
10/15/2009 2:06:01 PM
Guy's, your use of the word kaboom for what is a major part failing and causing no end of imbugerance to the owner is just a little far fetched.
This is a KABOOM
This is another Kaboom
When I got my Sabre the barrel was loose, the front sight post pins were so loose they fell out while I was cleaning it, and the carrier key screws weren't crimped and that turned the gun into a repeater. I was livid, €1,800 for a POS, I bitched on here and other forums. I then contacted Mr Savage, and he in turn got in touch with Schuhmacher. I sent them the gun and they repaired it free of charge and it was returned within a week, brilliant, and it works a treat.
If the manufacturer is willing to repair/replace the broken parts at his expense, I can live with that.
I work for a company that hardens metal parts for industry and a as I started off on the factory floor and worked my way down, well up actually until the recession hit us, and I was forced to change my job within the company. I can tell you that there are lots of things that can go wrong, even a power cut at a critical moment during the process or some other mishap, but as a rule our Quality control catch them before they are released for shipping, as a rule we will re-treat the items which can be tricky depending on the type of metal the parts are made of, sometimes they are scrapped on the spot, at our expense...... I have even had raw materials that you just can't harden, no matter what you do with it.
Of the thousands of rifles that OA have made over the years it is acceptable that things can and do go wrong, if they are prepared to repair these breakages at their expense then all is not lost. I may not like them but I have a lot of respect for what they have achieved over the years.
Please have a good look at the links with real kabooms and compare them with what happened to Frens's friend Denis.
Tony
This is a KABOOM
This is another Kaboom
When I got my Sabre the barrel was loose, the front sight post pins were so loose they fell out while I was cleaning it, and the carrier key screws weren't crimped and that turned the gun into a repeater. I was livid, €1,800 for a POS, I bitched on here and other forums. I then contacted Mr Savage, and he in turn got in touch with Schuhmacher. I sent them the gun and they repaired it free of charge and it was returned within a week, brilliant, and it works a treat.
If the manufacturer is willing to repair/replace the broken parts at his expense, I can live with that.
I work for a company that hardens metal parts for industry and a as I started off on the factory floor and worked my way down, well up actually until the recession hit us, and I was forced to change my job within the company. I can tell you that there are lots of things that can go wrong, even a power cut at a critical moment during the process or some other mishap, but as a rule our Quality control catch them before they are released for shipping, as a rule we will re-treat the items which can be tricky depending on the type of metal the parts are made of, sometimes they are scrapped on the spot, at our expense...... I have even had raw materials that you just can't harden, no matter what you do with it.
Of the thousands of rifles that OA have made over the years it is acceptable that things can and do go wrong, if they are prepared to repair these breakages at their expense then all is not lost. I may not like them but I have a lot of respect for what they have achieved over the years.
Please have a good look at the links with real kabooms and compare them with what happened to Frens's friend Denis.
Tony
10/15/2009 3:02:09 PM
Originally Posted By toemag:
Guy's, your use of the word kaboom for what is a major part failing and causing no end of imbugerance to the owner is just a little far fetched.
This is a KABOOM
This is another Kaboom
When I got my Sabre the barrel was loose, the front sight post pins were so loose they fell out while I was cleaning it, and the carrier key screws weren't crimped and that turned the gun into a repeater. I was livid, €1,800 for a POS, I bitched on here and other forums. I then contacted Mr Savage, and he in turn got in touch with Schuhmacher. I sent them the gun and they repaired it free of charge and it was returned within a week, brilliant, and it works a treat.
If the manufacturer is willing to repair/replace the broken parts at his expense, I can live with that.
I work for a company that hardens metal parts for industry and a as I started off on the factory floor and worked my way down, well up actually until the recession hit us, and I was forced to change my job within the company. I can tell you that there are lots of things that can go wrong, even a power cut at a critical moment during the process or some other mishap, but as a rule our Quality control catch them before they are released for shipping, as a rule we will re-treat the items which can be tricky depending on the type of metal the parts are made of, sometimes they are scrapped on the spot, at our expense...... I have even had raw materials that you just can't harden, no matter what you do with it.
Of the thousands of rifles that OA have made over the years it is acceptable that things can and do go wrong, if they are prepared to repair these breakages at their expense then all is not lost. I may not like them but I have a lot of respect for what they have achieved over the years.
Please have a good look at the links with real kabooms and compare them with what happened to Frens's friend Denis.
Tony
Guy's, your use of the word kaboom for what is a major part failing and causing no end of imbugerance to the owner is just a little far fetched.
This is a KABOOM
This is another Kaboom
When I got my Sabre the barrel was loose, the front sight post pins were so loose they fell out while I was cleaning it, and the carrier key screws weren't crimped and that turned the gun into a repeater. I was livid, €1,800 for a POS, I bitched on here and other forums. I then contacted Mr Savage, and he in turn got in touch with Schuhmacher. I sent them the gun and they repaired it free of charge and it was returned within a week, brilliant, and it works a treat.
If the manufacturer is willing to repair/replace the broken parts at his expense, I can live with that.
I work for a company that hardens metal parts for industry and a as I started off on the factory floor and worked my way down, well up actually until the recession hit us, and I was forced to change my job within the company. I can tell you that there are lots of things that can go wrong, even a power cut at a critical moment during the process or some other mishap, but as a rule our Quality control catch them before they are released for shipping, as a rule we will re-treat the items which can be tricky depending on the type of metal the parts are made of, sometimes they are scrapped on the spot, at our expense...... I have even had raw materials that you just can't harden, no matter what you do with it.
Of the thousands of rifles that OA have made over the years it is acceptable that things can and do go wrong, if they are prepared to repair these breakages at their expense then all is not lost. I may not like them but I have a lot of respect for what they have achieved over the years.
Please have a good look at the links with real kabooms and compare them with what happened to Frens's friend Denis.
Tony
These "Kabooms" were the result of a poor quality firearm or poor ammunition?
Yes, I have seen troubles with Sabre rifles too. But these problems could be fixed easily. A Barrel extension that will lose most of the lugs is a serious problem!
10/15/2009 3:12:19 PM
A kaboom is when the rifle has a catastrophic failure while being shot, not faulty parts rendering the weapon unusable until after it has been repaired.
Have a look at the pictures in the link's that I posted and compare them to the damaged barrel extension, with a real kaboom you cannot repair the damage as the weapon is a write off.
Has anyone else any pictures of OA rifles that can be compared with the two kaboomed rifles that I posted links to?
Tony
Have a look at the pictures in the link's that I posted and compare them to the damaged barrel extension, with a real kaboom you cannot repair the damage as the weapon is a write off.
Has anyone else any pictures of OA rifles that can be compared with the two kaboomed rifles that I posted links to?
Tony
10/15/2009 3:52:10 PM
As Toemag says, those Bbl extn failures don't constitute a kaboom as we would normally expect as it is merely the failure of one part, a part that can be readily replaced by the manufacturer.
A true kaboom is when something catastrophic happens and results in major structural failure of the major components, ie, barrels blown, receivers stretched and cracked and carriers splitting etc. The latter usually results in the failing of the upper receiver also.
While the lugs shearing off on an extn does indeed seem extreme, you have to realise that there is some 60'000 psi of pressure in the chamber at that time, and an inadequately hardened or stress relieved part will do that.
I have seen AR bolts with the lugs sheared off that will continue to work.
You have to realise that this may be just down to teething problems on the part of Oberland having to gear up to having their parts made in their own country (and I can understand why), but the fact that they have offered to make good under warranty should say more than enough about them as a company.
I do know from experience that when they did first get into the AR market, they didn't do their research thoroughly enough or investigate dimensions and tolerances thoroughly enough, and this resulted in a less than satisfactory product, but from what I know now, this has since been resolved.
If you don't wish to buy from Oberland that's fine, there are other manufacturers
Mark
A true kaboom is when something catastrophic happens and results in major structural failure of the major components, ie, barrels blown, receivers stretched and cracked and carriers splitting etc. The latter usually results in the failing of the upper receiver also.
While the lugs shearing off on an extn does indeed seem extreme, you have to realise that there is some 60'000 psi of pressure in the chamber at that time, and an inadequately hardened or stress relieved part will do that.
I have seen AR bolts with the lugs sheared off that will continue to work.
You have to realise that this may be just down to teething problems on the part of Oberland having to gear up to having their parts made in their own country (and I can understand why), but the fact that they have offered to make good under warranty should say more than enough about them as a company.
I do know from experience that when they did first get into the AR market, they didn't do their research thoroughly enough or investigate dimensions and tolerances thoroughly enough, and this resulted in a less than satisfactory product, but from what I know now, this has since been resolved.
If you don't wish to buy from Oberland that's fine, there are other manufacturers
Mark
10/16/2009 10:48:08 PM
I shot one of their .308's nearly a year ago and was very impressed with it............................but then I'm easily pleased.
10/17/2009 11:01:34 AM
My buddy found a used SIG 550 that was pretty cheap. He's decided to go for that one and use the money he saves on ammo. I'm looking forward to trying it myself.
I have to admit that I'm pretty interested in that one myself. I wish I had the money for something like that.
Originally Posted By IcarusY625:
I shot one of their .308's nearly a year ago and was very impressed with it............................but then I'm easily pleased.
I shot one of their .308's nearly a year ago and was very impressed with it............................but then I'm easily pleased.
I have to admit that I'm pretty interested in that one myself. I wish I had the money for something like that.
10/17/2009 11:46:14 AM
Originally Posted By swede1986:
I have to admit that I'm pretty interested in that one myself. I wish I had the money for something like that.
Originally Posted By IcarusY625:
I shot one of their .308's nearly a year ago and was very impressed with it............................but then I'm easily pleased.
I shot one of their .308's nearly a year ago and was very impressed with it............................but then I'm easily pleased.
I have to admit that I'm pretty interested in that one myself. I wish I had the money for something like that.
Sabre have one too, it's arould 2200-2400 Euro's.
Nice rifle and probably the pick of the bunch but I don't know if that's any cheaper than Oberland's
10/28/2009 8:57:10 AM
Hi all,
I would like to know if Oberlandarms are compatible with Knight's Armament handguards (I hope so), like a KAC RAS Free Float version, I mean the small SR-15 for M4 on this page http://www.quarterbore.com/kac/kacffras.html . Thank you very much.
Best regards,
MPM
I would like to know if Oberlandarms are compatible with Knight's Armament handguards (I hope so), like a KAC RAS Free Float version, I mean the small SR-15 for M4 on this page http://www.quarterbore.com/kac/kacffras.html . Thank you very much.
Best regards,
MPM
10/28/2009 9:07:06 AM
Originally Posted By SuperMpm:
Hi all,
I would like to know if Oberlandarms are compatible with Knight's Armament handguards (I hope so), like a KAC RAS Free Float version, I mean the small SR-15 for M4 on this page http://www.quarterbore.com/kac/kacffras.html . Thank you very much.
Best regards,
MPM
Hi all,
I would like to know if Oberlandarms are compatible with Knight's Armament handguards (I hope so), like a KAC RAS Free Float version, I mean the small SR-15 for M4 on this page http://www.quarterbore.com/kac/kacffras.html . Thank you very much.
Best regards,
MPM
I don't see any reason why not
10/28/2009 9:16:54 AM
Hello,
'cause of the MIL-Spec norms... a lot of stuff on Oberlandarms are build in commercial or european norms (stock tube, screw from grip, flash hider...). That's why I was asking... and beacause I'm searching for a KAC RAS SR-15 for my OA-15 M4... could not find one here in Europe and nobody here knows if it fits on a OA-15 M4. Thank you very much.
Regards,
MPM
I don't see any reason why not
'cause of the MIL-Spec norms... a lot of stuff on Oberlandarms are build in commercial or european norms (stock tube, screw from grip, flash hider...). That's why I was asking... and beacause I'm searching for a KAC RAS SR-15 for my OA-15 M4... could not find one here in Europe and nobody here knows if it fits on a OA-15 M4. Thank you very much.
Regards,
MPM
