France

For those interested, www.ar15france.com has been created about a week ago.
Great forums for french speaking "Black rifle" fans.

www.ar15france.com

New Design ,new logo.

thanks for the sticky ;)

So those Frenchies are too good to mix with us 'Anglos'……


ANdy

heheh...

Tres Bien!!!!! I kept telling people french people were not alike. It is like telling me that I am just like a hippy at woodstock.

Are there any real AR15's in France? What are your weapon laws like?

Originally Posted By Tazaroo: Are there any real AR15's in France? What are your weapon laws like?

it's actually pretty good as long as you are a civilian shooter: once you get that permit you can own any kind of semi-auto weapon i.e. AR15, SIG 55x, HK ,AK,...
It can be SBR or not, it does not matter.
Also suppressors are not restricted: very easy to buy.

The only thing that sucks is that you are limited to 12 weapons (including semi auto rifles and handguns) .Also whenever you stop shooting, you have to give back your weapons. It is very clear in french law that those weapons you own are for sport purpose only !! do not even think about using them for your self defense, you would be in big trouble.

The french shooters community is pretty small but very active: lots of competitions. They do also love long distance shooting with one famous range with distances up to 2800m for .50BMG and such :).

I'm being transferred to Germany soon and I know it is a pian in the ass to have weapons there. Is there any way that an American can own guns in France while living in Germany?

I'd be willing to make the commute if it meant I could shoot now and then.

With us Italians too....

heheheee

Originally Posted By vito113: So those Frenchies are too good to mix with us 'Anglos'…… ANdy

With us Italians too....

heheheee

Originally Posted By PaoloOrange: Originally Posted By vito113: So those Frenchies are too good to mix with us 'Anglos'…… ANdy With us Italians too.... heheheee

I heard you the first time

Originally Posted By streetfighter: Originally Posted By PaoloOrange: Originally Posted By vito113: So those Frenchies are too good to mix with us 'Anglos'…… ANdy With us Italians too.... heheheee I heard you the first time

you guys are welcome to join...we are all black rifle fans ..

Originally Posted By leatherpuke: I'm being transferred to Germany soon and I know it is a pian in the ass to have weapons there. Is there any way that an American can own guns in France while living in Germany? I'd be willing to make the commute if it meant I could shoot now and then.

Buy a cabin in Switzerland, best gun laws in Europe and they got good cheese.

Originally Posted By nf9648: Originally Posted By leatherpuke: I'm being transferred to Germany soon and I know it is a pian in the ass to have weapons there. Is there any way that an American can own guns in France while living in Germany? I'd be willing to make the commute if it meant I could shoot now and then. Buy a cabin in Switzerland, best gun laws in Europe and they got good cheese.

Doesn't Finland had the best gun laws in Europe?
The hunting has GOT to be better at least.

Originally Posted By llanero: Originally Posted By nf9648: Originally Posted By leatherpuke: I'm being transferred to Germany soon and I know it is a pian in the ass to have weapons there. Is there any way that an American can own guns in France while living in Germany? I'd be willing to make the commute if it meant I could shoot now and then. Buy a cabin in Switzerland, best gun laws in Europe and they got good cheese. Doesn't Finland had the best gun laws in Europe? The hunting has GOT to be better at least.

Nope, Switzerlands laws are far better, better even than the US in many ways....

All I remember is"Tres Bien, merci et vous" and "Parle vous, Humma Humma?"

Oh and where do I sign up?

Merci !!!

How about a little sample from cheese country

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That's some nice stuff you have there

Can you legally buy a FAMAS in France?

Mark

Originally Posted By streetfighter: That's some nice stuff you have there Can you legally buy a FAMAS in France? Mark

Hi Mark

no problem here. FAMAS is available in .222 and .223. It is quite rare though in .223.
The FAMAS pictured here is an "export only" that got sold outside of France then re-imported back in.
As long as you are a civilian shooter with proper paperworks you can have pretty much what you want: AR15, SIG, AK, FAMAS....

Lucky buggers.
I got to play with one at the British Army School of Infantry last year. It was different to say the least.

Are they expensive?

Mark

Originally Posted By vito113: Nope, Switzerlands laws are far better, better even than the US in many ways....

How so?

Originally Posted By streetfighter: Lucky buggers. I got to play with one at the British Army School of Infantry last year. It was different to say the least. Are they expensive? Mark

around 1400 euros for slighlty used (200/300 rounds).

Originally Posted By shastacles: Originally Posted By vito113: Nope, Switzerlands laws are far better, better even than the US in many ways.... How so?

None of that 89 assault weapon import ban, if it's made you can buy it, no minimum barrel lengths, no mag limits, no BS about owning a surpressor.

last week end meeting:
ar15france shootout

Originally Posted By AR15France: last week end meeting: ar15france shootout

Thanks for posting that - watching it makes me very happy!

Could you please tell us more more about gun laws in France?

Specifically:
- What guns and gun related items require a license, permit and/or registration and which do not?
- How difficult is it to get a gun license or permit? What is the process and cost?
- What are the laws about transporting and/or storing your guns?

Also, can you please suggest some websites for good French gunstores?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

you have to belong to a shooting range. After 6 months of being a member, you can start paperwork for your rifle/handgun.
No more than 12 centerfire.
No SBR restrictions and suppressors are not restricted as well.

Only thing that sucks is no more than 1000 rounds per year, that's why we reload a lot !!!


You need a safe to store your guns and you have to transport them unloaded in your trunk. No CCW here.

thanks


go visit here for the stores:

ar15france.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=19

And the big question… can you shoot burglars in France?



ANdy

AR15France thanks for the post and stay safe over there. We need more people like you and us in the world that enjoys our sport.

Well that looks a fun group. So are these under French laws or 'European harmonisation' laws? Hopefully the latter, it's about time we got something worthwhile out of Brussels (apart from mussells in white wine sauce)

1000 rounds per weapon authorization ie .223, 308 ,9mm...but no limit for other calibers..

and yes the laws are stupid

new config from one of our member: he just got his brand new SDI M4..

Hello every body,

This is my personnal collection ......... today.

Just for illustration. This is an example of that we could have in France. 9 mm, 45 ACP, 357 mag, 44 mag, no problem

I'm waiting for my second AR15 222 rem and a KIMBER Custom II for military shooting competition.

Bye

tiens....FrenchBushmaster ?...LOL

Salut Chef

Hello friends,

Very complex the French legislation about weapons, YES !!
But I could try describe it.

Our legislation is not so bad. And I will be happy to be sure to stay in actual definition.
BUT ! Any new government could change the law and suddenly destroy it and suppress our rightful to have guns. We are always in danger. English history is the nightmare of all the Europeans shooters.

We could have 12 weapons classified in 1st and 4th categories.
7 with central primer (1st or 4th categories central primer) and 5 with rim fire cartridge ( 4th Category chapter 2) all rim fire weapon semi-automatique rifles or handguns pistols and revolvers (22 LR, 22 magnum, 17 HMR).

I think in a first time we must explain we have 8 categories of weapons.

1st and 4th categories are the main important for us here.

The 1st category

Chapter 1 :
It’s all semi-automatique handgun weapons over 7.65 mm. caliber.

Chapter 2 :
For the rifle and carbines in military caliber (semi-automatique or bolt action carbines and rifles). A military cliber is a caliber used in regular army (5.56 nato, 7.62x51, 7.62x39, .50 BMG, etc..)

The 4th category is a bit more complex.

Chapter 1 :
It’s for all revolver with central primer cartridge (38 spe, 44 mag, 357 mag, 45 LC, etc.) and the semi-automatique handgun in caliber 7.65 or less big like the 6.25mm using central pimer and with barrel under 110 mm lenght.

Chapter 2 :
For all semi-automatique handgun, rifles and carbines and revolver using rimfire ammo (22 LR, etc.).

chapter 5 :
For semi-automatique rifles in civilian caliber. Like the AR15 in .222 remington.

1st and 4th categories weapons could only be buy by a shooter member of a shooting club over 21 years old after 6 months of shooting and with an authorization delivered by authorities. Authorization you have to confirm every 3 years.

2nd and 3rd categories are completely prohibited. It's machinegun, full auto weapons, bazooka, grenade and explosives, war plane, combat ship, tank, nuclear chemical or bacteriologic weapons.

5th and 6th sorry, I dont remember details, but you have edge weapons in one of this category and all the rifle in bolt action or lever action using civilian caliber.
For all bolt action rifles in civilian caliber, as 300 Winch Mag, 338 Lapua magnum, 7.08, 30.30, etc... no problem. If you are shooter or hunter, you could buy all that you want. Same thing for the ammo, you could have 10 000 cartridges, no limit. This is the reason why I prefer My AR15 in hunting caliber 222 rem. I have no limit for my cartridges.

7th category is for "armes de salon" if I try a translation, I said weapons for exposition more than for shooting. For exemple all the copy of muzzle loading weapon (uberti, pietta, etc...) are in this category. Compress air guns are in this category too.

8th category is for weapons of collection. If it's a french weapon, this weapon is in this category if older than 1890. For other country’s weapons it must be older than 1873.
Modern production of this weapons using metallic cartridge (schofield, SAA1873, etc.) are not free. They are in 4th category.
Only original model of metallic cartridge and modern or old model of muzzle loading handgun are 8th category free access like remington 1858, colt dragoon, paterson, etc....

Summit :

For 2nd and 3rd categories. Impossible to possess this weapons models.

For 1st and 4th, you must be sport shooter, over 21 years old and need to have an authorization delivered by authority. Authorization you have to confirm every 3 years.

For all other categories 5, 6, 7 and 8th it's free.
You must just be over 18 years old and be member of a shooting club or hunter. No limit about quantity of weapons you possess and same thing for ammunitions. You are registered on the Gunsmith book of sell and you declare too your police office you have this guns and that’s all.

Just some specific points:
a) Silencers are completely free access.
b) Night vision are only class 1 access (maybe class 2 ??).
c) NVG are classified like weapon in 1st category.
d) Laser are free access but usually max power is 5 mW.
e) Classic 2 shoot 12/70 or 12/76 rifles for hunting are free access for hunter and shooter.
BUT !! If it's a semi-automatic rifle it must be maximum 3 shoot (2+1)
If is tubular magasin is over 2 cartridges capacity it became a 4th category.
Finally, if this rifle is a riot gun (pump action gun) it's completely prohibited. Because in popular imagination it's the weapon of bad guys. Therefore, authority prohibited this weapon completely. Stupid!? Yes !

Last point for explain that all is not so easy:
If your weapon is in a definition free and than only one element is classified in 1st or 4th categories. Your weapons become a 1st or 4th categories weapon.
Example: I want buy a modern henry rifle carbine from Uberti manufacture. It’s a lever action, conception older than 1873. I could think no problem. It’s a 7th category. But in reality it’s a 5th category because it’s a rifle or a carabine and not a handgun. And it could become very fast a 4th category. The nightmare begins!
If I want buy it, I need to choice 44.40 caliber. It’s a caliber unclassified. If I buy it in 45 L.C. it’s a classified ammo (4th category ammo), so The rifle follow the cartridge and become a 4th category rifle. Other point, If the rifle is too short (total length under 81 cm and/or barrel under 45 cm) the weapon is consider like too compact and is classified 4th category. Last point, If you decide to buy the long rifle model, the problem is the number of cartridge in magasine. If over 10 ammo, you become again a 4th category weapon.
Finaly you could only buy a long rifle model in 44.40 Caliber with a maximum capacity of 10 cartridges. Complex!! Really, you think!! HA HA HA HA !
It’s not a law we have in France, it’s a labyrinth.

I hope I was clear. If you have any questions, we are here for you.
I hope this explanation make you understand that we are a small country, with a small shooter corporation (approximately 150 to 200 thousand sport shooters and 2 millions hunters), but we have guns and we love shoot!! YES !

P.S. : Sorry for my English, not so good than many of my French friends on AR15France.com

Welcome aboard new guy and thanks for sharing the info with the rest of us.

Please feel free to drop by the UK forum and also get your colleagues to post in the Europe forum

Mark

sounds like i need to move my ass to Switzerland,.. do they have a Popeye's near? (withing 200km?)

How is your laws on barrel length, collapsable stocks and over all gun length?

For weapons classified 1st and 4th catégorie, no limit.

This is why we could have M4 14"5, commando 11"5 or XS in 7" if i talk of AR15 model.
No problem for collapsable stocks. We could buy and used every think.

If your rifle weapons is not in one of this two categories, the total lenght of your weapon must be over 81 cm. Stockk collapsable or not, you must be over this lenght. And second point you barrel lenght must be over 45 cm. If your weapon is under one of this dimension, you rifle become a 4th category weapon.

It's the exemple I explain (perhaps not so clear) with the UBERTI HENRY RIFLE in my precedent post.

Bye !

Thanks for the Cognac!

It's a just reward for your action with Max for send us sping.

Thank you very much I_B and like we say here.

A ta santé mon ami.

Bye,

are there any Colt Match Target M4 (MT6400c) in France?

I'm not a professional, but for me Colt for AR carbine and rifle ar not import actualy in France. Except for government and some special order. Police will received new COLT 733.

For civilian shooter, we only have good old COLT AR15 A2 Sporter H.B. in 222 rem 20 / 25 years old.

The two brand easy to buy in France are SDI (british) and Oberland (Germany). The match models they sell are good. Very good !! But not Mil-spec and more expensive than a Colt.

For american gun, since 2 months, we could buy parts and make assembly a rifle with DPMS and MAGPUL parts by french ESP company. It's the unique source for have at one's disposal a Mil-spec gun in France actualy.

Bye.

latest shootout somewhere in Normandy

AR15France Normandy shoot out

the two M4 in the video.
The Oberland (green) of my brother SOPMODM4 and the SDI of our friend The Undertaker.

Can British shooters join a French gun club and keep rifles and handguns over there?

ANdy

Hello Andy,

I remember than when the "tsunami" of the new weapon law is arrived. Here hear than many british shooter club send some guns to different french, belgium, etc. shooting club for preserve some of them. But I dont know if it's a legend or if it's true. Sorry.

But if you want a gun in france, I believe that if you dont have a identity card for proof you french nationality you could not buy a gun here.
Easily no. but .... If you have a house here? if you work here ? Don't know !

But If you found a shooting club in france, you could practice in france. And you could have your own weapon in the limit of the law of your country if these weapon are autorised in France.
For Exemple in Versailles town we have a very big shooting club with many Switzerland people using there gun for military ability shoot controle every year. This day is "the swiss shoot"

I will try to have a most precise answer. I saw my police officer responsable of gun in some days.

See you.

Thank you very much for your reply

Mark

Hello Friends over the Channel,

Sorry, but my police officer referent is absolutly incompetent !!?
I dont forget you, I will try to ask French shooting federation or different Gunsmith If it's possible to buy a gun in france for you and what type of weapon.

See you gentlemen.
Mick.

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