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dakotasin  [Member]
10/5/2010 3:10:08 PM
so rather than pile onto the a-rating thread, i thought i should start a new one.

i tend to vote republican, but if there's a libertarian or constitutional party candidate running i'll generally vote for them. i think the left is out of touch and i think the right is too restrictive.

so, noem... don't know much about her. dropped out of college (?), calls herself a rancher, and can't obey the traffic laws in our great state (and we want her to make laws?).

herseth... ehh, doesn't do much for me, but has left my guns alone, though i believe that part is orchestrated by the democratic national party and not by any true design or desire by herseth to leave guns alone. she hasn't, that i'm aware of, wrote a bill to start repealing gun laws, and don't believe she will. don't know that noem would either, though...?

looking at both candidates websites' their second amendment stance is pretty wishy-washy, though herseth's is slightly better than noem's.

other than being a 'd' or 'r', what's the difference?

governor... don't know much about either duagaard or heidepriem, but from my sheltered view it looks like duagaard will be the runaway winner, here. however, other than the 'r' and 'd' thing, what's the difference? btw... duagaard's running mate is from here (yankton), and so they are the overwhelming local favorites...

is there any real chance that our elected idiots will stop the spending, repeal health care, repeal gun laws to at least '68, and generally make intelligent decisions w/ my money? is it just me or is john thune the only one who gets it right once in awhile?

i'm just very frustrated and angry w/ all of our lawmakers right now...
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UBB  [Team Member]
10/5/2010 3:34:46 PM
I really like Thune. You guys have a good one with him IMO.

I lived in SD for a little less then 2 yrs (about 7 yrs ago) was not a Herseth fan.
meltdown  [Moderator]
10/5/2010 5:01:07 PM
I can't obey the traffic laws either
dakotasin  [Member]
10/5/2010 6:02:13 PM
fair enough, but when you get caught do you take care of it or do you let it go to a warrant?
flinch08  [Team Member]
10/5/2010 7:52:23 PM
On a national scale this country is in serious trouble. Its hard to tell how bad it is because of the web of lies and deceit that are spun by the msm, talk radio, the federal govt. and every other talking head out there. Lies, lies, and more lies and halftruths told to further whatever agenda said liar endorses. Its just non-stop.
I don't listen to Glen Beck very often, but I caught a bit of his show today. He was talking TO the republicans in his audience. Telling them this is a last chance type situation they find themselves in. If they screw up the opportunity they are about to be given they will never hold sway again. Could not agree more. The Bush administration was a joke. And I voted for the guy. I vote republican for limited government and fiscal responsibility. Medicaid part D, No Child Left Behind. These and other examples like them are not what I voted for.
Having the democratic party hold the house, senate, and white house is unhealthy. The only thing I can do to change that is vote against Herseth. I honestly don't think shes done a poor job compared to the socialists shes rubbing elbows with.
How much of her voting record has been engineered to maintain support in a conservative district? The answer depends on which set of bullshit artists you listen to.
Surly  [Member]
10/5/2010 8:26:48 PM
Originally Posted By dakotasin:
other than being a 'd' or 'r', what's the difference?


In this race, the difference is that if you vote for Marking, you're giving your vote to Herseth. Once we get the bad blood out, then we can work on getting the third parties into these seats. It's going to take some time; just like all the time the libz took to co opt the dem party.

Surly  [Member]
10/5/2010 8:28:35 PM
Originally Posted By dakotasin:
i'm just very frustrated and angry w/ all of our lawmakers right now...


I am too...a lot of us are and we need to get on the same page to make a difference.

Dissident  [Member]
10/5/2010 11:10:40 PM
Originally Posted By dakotasin:
fair enough, but when you get caught do you take care of it or do you let it go to a warrant?


The warrant was for an unpaid speeding ticket and was issued and resolved over ten years ago. Without the knowing the specific facts and we don't know them, missing a POA or court date is not that big of deal in the grand scheme of things and it actually happens all the time. It is really not that newsworthy. The fact that it happened ten years ago makes it even less so. The number of the speeding tickets Noem's accumulated over that same period of time really isn't that outrageous either. When you drive more than the average person, as a state legislator typcially does, you tend to get speeding tickets. Don't read too much into the lack of Herseth's record either....She's lived in DC for a majority of the same period of time....she rarely drives.

As far as Noem gun record is concerned.....she sponsored the Firearms Freedom Act, her family owned a hunting lodge, and she's NOT a democrat and WON't support Pelosi's agenda. It's enough for me.
pokey074  [Member]
10/6/2010 12:41:58 AM
As far as I'm concerned Noem has clearly demonstrated she thinks laws are only for us "little people."

There's so little difference between D and R these days they're practically one in the same.

There is zero chance that our elected officials will curtail spending, repeal health care, repeal any gun control laws (this one is less than zero), etc.
dakotasin  [Member]
10/6/2010 8:26:06 AM
half the stunts these legislators pull would cost me my job...

i do think herseth's voting record is engineered, and i don't know that her 90% vote record w/ pelosi should be taken at face value. i am a member or have been a member of several boards of directors and there is a ton of routine business votes that have to be voted on before moving forward. i'd like that same poll to compare voting records of 'issues' votes, not motions to start the meeting or approve last night's minutes. too bad we don't have a 2nd rep who is hard right that we can compare voting w/ pelosi. i'd bet s/he would vote w/ pelosi quite often too because of the routine business.

herseth did not support health care - which matters - but was that an engineered vote? ie peolosi and company had the requisite number of votes in their communist states, so they told herseth they didn't need/want her vote on this one...? if the vote had been tight, would herseth have gone against her constituents as the great tim johnson did?

speaking of johnson... how did he ever get re-elected?! and how could he vote for health care? daschle was tossed because he was a washington insider and voted against s.d. w/ regularity. johnson has been doing that for as long as daschle has been out of office, yet he still gets re-elected. i don't see it. now his boy is coming up and is heir apparent for tim johnson's seat. i'm just not liking this...

and as long as i'm rambling... what good has come from the patriot act?

although i did vote for bush, other than the patriot act, i have no regrets - we coulda been under al gore for those 8 years...
flinch08  [Team Member]
10/6/2010 8:48:01 PM
There is just no way to know if Herseth would have voted the other way if it had been neccesary. What I do know is that she is on the wrong team. Simple as that, friend. To much power in the hands of the democrats regardless of how Herseth votes. A little research into so-called "blue dog" democrats shows they vote more conservative when they know its down to the wire. Things lighten up and they return to the socialist nature of the democratic party.

Johnson on the other hand fearlessly embraces the teachings of our dear leader. No chance he will run again. He knows it would be wasted money. They had an agenda, they worked to get it passed. We all knew they would try. I don't think they did much more than prolong the economic problems we face. Cap and trade is done. Health care is nothing like they wanted. Gay marraige has stalled. And millions of Americans hate them!

As the poster above said, we need to be on the same page to change things now. Down the road we can take a look at alternatives to the traditional R vs D
Surly  [Member]
10/6/2010 9:31:30 PM
Originally Posted By pokey074:
As far as I'm concerned Noem has clearly demonstrated she thinks laws are only for us "little people."

There's so little difference between D and R these days they're practically one in the same.

There is zero chance that our elected officials will curtail spending, repeal health care, repeal any gun control laws (this one is less than zero), etc.


Yeah, you're right. She probably cheats her taxes like everyone else does...especially Red Tom. Nevermind, there's nothing wrong with that unless you're conservative.
Surly  [Member]
10/6/2010 9:35:52 PM
Originally Posted By dakotasin:
half the stunts these legislators pull would cost me my job...

i do think herseth's voting record is engineered, and i don't know that her 90% vote record w/ pelosi should be taken at face value. i am a member or have been a member of several boards of directors and there is a ton of routine business votes that have to be voted on before moving forward. i'd like that same poll to compare voting records of 'issues' votes, not motions to start the meeting or approve last night's minutes. too bad we don't have a 2nd rep who is hard right that we can compare voting w/ pelosi. i'd bet s/he would vote w/ pelosi quite often too because of the routine business.

herseth did not support health care - which matters - but was that an engineered vote? ie peolosi and company had the requisite number of votes in their communist states, so they told herseth they didn't need/want her vote on this one...? if the vote had been tight, would herseth have gone against her constituents as the great tim johnson did?

speaking of johnson... how did he ever get re-elected?! and how could he vote for health care? daschle was tossed because he was a washington insider and voted against s.d. w/ regularity. johnson has been doing that for as long as daschle has been out of office, yet he still gets re-elected. i don't see it. now his boy is coming up and is heir apparent for tim johnson's seat. i'm just not liking this...

and as long as i'm rambling... what good has come from the patriot act?

although i did vote for bush, other than the patriot act, i have no regrets - we coulda been under al gore for those 8 years...


http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=48367 Check this site for the specifics. Here's another site that shows Herseth was absent for most of the roll call votes shooting that theory down. We should go ahead and vote her in because of the single issue of guns though because the bigger picture is irrelevant. Time to WAKE UP!!
Surly  [Member]
10/6/2010 9:38:30 PM
Originally Posted By flinch08:
There is just no way to know if Herseth would have voted the other way if it had been neccesary.


There is another way...vote her in again and hope that she still votes in our best interests aside from the gun thing. As far as I'm concerned, we're in a state that that is a given, regardless of the party affiliation. Voting left will get you one thing...LEFT behind...and a lot of it to kiss too.

EssPete  [Member]
10/6/2010 11:41:32 PM
Johnson won't be running again because his body can't take it. The man is still sharp as a tack but with a deteriorating body.

Surly is correct in we everyone needs to vote the same for the better cause to get the socialists out. It will take time, possibly even twelve or 18 years (LORD I HOPE NOT!) If the independants and tea parties split the conservative votes then the commies win. Don't be too far right wing.
pokey074  [Member]
10/7/2010 1:01:35 AM
So in other words, the letter in front of your name is more important than your actions.
Surly  [Member]
10/7/2010 9:22:28 AM
Originally Posted By pokey074:
So in other words, the letter in front of your name is more important than your actions.


At this point in time, yes. Like I've been telling the other libz in other forums, us Tea Party types are going to clean up the republicrat party and then consolidate forces to dismantle the democans. The letter is obviously relevant to some of you and you just keep voting for the letters...good luck with that approach.

pokey074  [Member]
10/8/2010 2:01:38 AM
I truly hope it can be done.

Originally Posted By Surly:

us Tea Party types are going to clean up the republicrat party and then consolidate forces to dismantle the democans.

Surly  [Member]
10/8/2010 9:03:08 AM
You can hope in one hand and crap in the other and see which gets filled faster...or you can spread the word and do what you can to help the momentum continue. The upcoming elections are just the beginning and it's not going to be easy after that.

Originally Posted By pokey074:
I truly hope it can be done.

Originally Posted By Surly:

us Tea Party types are going to clean up the republicrat party and then consolidate forces to dismantle the democans.



EssPete  [Member]
10/8/2010 6:05:59 PM
the tea party needs to pick up people from both sides of the line instead of the people on the right of it. splitting the republican party guarantees a democratic win.
snoman  [Member]
10/8/2010 9:15:36 PM
Here's my take on the current political circus.

Rope.

Tree.

Legislator.

Some assembly required.

It doesn't matter one whit of difference whether it's a D or R, it's about socialism lite, or socialism heavy. It's still socialism. We don't need some ass-kissing baby tickling career pol, we need citizen legislators that have a personal stake in the legislation they pass and will go to Washington and do what's required of them and come home, not make a career out of bringing home the 'bacon'. Repealing the 17th Amendment would go a long way in getting that back on course.

We are at the cusp of a great time in our nations history. Whether that bodes well or ill depends a lot on the American people waking up and taking an active role in how this country's run. Not sitting on the couch watching Survivor or Dancing with The Stars. It says something about our society when more people vote on American Idol in one week than have voted in the last two elections. What does that say about us as a nation? As a society?
John50  [Member]
10/9/2010 11:33:52 AM
Here is my take:

If you vote Democrat: you get unemployment and welfare checks.

If you vote Republican: you get jobs = paychecks!
Surly  [Member]
10/9/2010 8:05:03 PM
Originally Posted By EssPete:
the tea party needs to pick up people from both sides of the line instead of the people on the right of it. splitting the republican party guarantees a democratic win.


Contrary to popular belief, it has all sides. You don't need a letter denoting whether or not you have common sense. Most of the horseshit that's been put on us has been from the left as of late, so it's easy to blame the left. I still blame Herseth and she's one of many bums that needs voted out.
EssPete  [Member]
10/10/2010 12:36:43 AM
Originally Posted By Surly:
Originally Posted By EssPete:
the tea party needs to pick up people from both sides of the line instead of the people on the right of it. splitting the republican party guarantees a democratic win.


Contrary to popular belief, it has all sides. You don't need a letter denoting whether or not you have common sense. Most of the horseshit that's been put on us has been from the left as of late, so it's easy to blame the left. I still blame Herseth and she's one of many bums that needs voted out.


yes it does have all sides but it feels the majority of people in the tea party movement were right of center and voting republican. :/ Things will just be a shit storm for a bit and Americans will settle up somewhere that a very developed nation should but it won't have the top economy that we once had, nor will people compare their currency to the dollar unless a lot of great leaders and technology come out of here.

i've said it for a while the republican party needs to get its head out of its ass. that was before george w was elected, not that i didn't like george w but the senators and congressmen could take some lessons on what it means to be working for the people.
MrM4  [Member]
10/10/2010 1:49:15 AM
The tea party tends to be right wingers for the most part as is the this nation which is still a somewhat right of center leaning country. Which is why you wont see leftist Tea Party Canidates.
The thing about libs is that they tend to be more conserned about their pro gay, socialist, green movement while making sure they create a double standard among Americans that benifits illegals and the lazy rather then putting their nose to the grind stone and working for a better America.

The Tea Party was started on the tax issue, but I think like all partys they will have to take a stance on issues like abortion, gays in the military, and immagration like any other political group would. No party can get by on saying we only care about taxes, they would never win any sizable amount of control that way. Because the people who are in the tea party really seem to be a strong right leaning group i have to wonder if this isnt going to be the 2nd coming of Regan? Many of us hope it is. Its time to kick the Libs from the castle lock the doors and take back the American way of life before those fucks destroy it further.

Maybe common cents and a work ethic are to much for some people......

(Its late so you will have to forgive the typos tonight)
Surly  [Member]
10/10/2010 11:16:04 AM
Originally Posted By MrM4:
The tea party tends to be right wingers for the most part as is the this nation which is still a somewhat right of center leaning country. Which is why you wont see leftist Tea Party Canidates.
The thing about libs is that they tend to be more conserned about their pro gay, socialist, green movement while making sure they create a double standard among Americans that benifits illegals and the lazy rather then putting their nose to the grind stone and working for a better America.

The Tea Party was started on the tax issue, but I think like all partys they will have to take a stance on issues like abortion, gays in the military, and immagration like any other political group would. No party can get by on saying we only care about taxes, they would never win any sizable amount of control that way. Because the people who are in the tea party really seem to be a strong right leaning group i have to wonder if this isnt going to be the 2nd coming of Regan? Many of us hope it is. Its time to kick the Libs from the castle lock the doors and take back the American way of life before those fucks destroy it further.

Maybe common cents and a work ethic are to much for some people......

(Its late so you will have to forgive the typos tonight)


That's exactly like my view of the NRA that I'm getting bitched at over. Single-issue politics are dying thanks to maobama. He is the "Great Uniter" in that he was able to get us all together and working to oppose a statist take-over of a conservative nation. If the conservative side wasn't correct in our thinking, we wouldn't be referred to as "Right". The hippie bum revolution is about over and they will be the losers like they have always been.

America, love it or leave it.
MrM4  [Member]
10/10/2010 12:04:48 PM
%100 right Surly.
snoman  [Member]
10/10/2010 8:39:08 PM
For those of you who have Sirius/XM satellite radio, I urge you to listen to the Mike Church Show. It airs early on Patriot 144 (Sirius) and XM America Right (can't remember the channel there, don't have XM) at 0400 and runs until 0700 when Beck comes on.

This guy's a self taught Constitutionalist (and a strict one at that), and has a grasp of the Founding Documents unlike any I've heard, at least outside of academia. Certainly better than the others out there, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Savage, Medved, and Reagan (who all toe the party line when it comes to their content), and is certainly no friend of either party. Will bash R's just as fast as D's. During the oil disaster, he was calling on Jindal to call out the NG to put down the feds insurrection in his states disaster response.

He has certainly opened my eyes when it comes to how the .gov should work and the career politicians that make it what it is today.

And as an added bonus, Sirius/XM also carries Cam & Company at 1900 weeknights. Granted it's an NRA backed show, but it's one of the few places where you can find a radio show that covers the 2A anywhere.

Now as for Noem and Sandlin? I think Kristy will edge her out. It'll be another one of those elections like Johnson v Thune in 2002, and Daschle v Thune in 2006. It'll come down to a slim majority, maybe 1000 votes or less, but she'll knock off the incumbent who has certainly not shown herself to be a real 'friend' to folks in this state. I think the best ad of the season so far, and the most effective, is the one in which her kids are sitting around playing Monopoly and the oldest daughter tells her siblings they each owe $42,000. That, I think, will resonate with voters around the state for sure. It certainly made an impact on me and my wife.
dakotasin  [Member]
10/12/2010 3:22:29 PM
Originally Posted By Surly:

http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=48367 Check this site for the specifics. Here's another site that shows Herseth was absent for most of the roll call votes shooting that theory down. We should go ahead and vote her in because of the single issue of guns though because the bigger picture is irrelevant. Time to WAKE UP!!


i'm not looking for a single issue vote - the gun issue is a major vote for me, but not the only issue.

i am trying to open some dialogue about our potential politicians and what makes the difference. i don't think noem is the answer, nor do i think herseth is the answer. but herseth seems to be widely supported in the state. all of the polls i'm aware of show herseth w/ a lead. the dnc reduced herseth's funding from $500,000 down to $150,000. that leads me to believe she is expecting victory.

noem has stepped up her advertising quite a bit, and other than explaining herseth is bad, she doesn't say how she is good. since i haven't met her nor seen her debate, i am hoping someone can explain why she is good.

all of the politicians do exactly what noem charges in her ad: one way in s.d., another in d.c.

what makes her different? if she gets in, would she just vote the way she's told to vote by her handlers, or would she actually vote the way her constituency would like her to?

i think herseth vs. noem will be a tight race, decided by a slim number of votes. what makes one better than the other? if i throw my vote to the constitution party or to marking, and it costs noem the race don't i win, anyway, because the republican party in s.d. will see they are doing the same thing the national party has been doing? i.e., sending left of center 'republicans' into races, and then thinking idiots like mccain are the right thing... if i vote for the right wing, i want right wing tip, not left of center 'less socialist'..

i want my tax burden reduced significantly, gov't spending all but eliminated, borders sealed tight, serious welfare reform, obamacare repealed, gun laws repealed to at least the 68 gca, the federal reserve audited, political and police corruption and mountain lions eliminated, and so on...

i think it is asinine that my property taxes are twice what they were when i lived in wy in a more expensive house. i don't want city streets plowed except after 12" or more single event snowfall... i'm tired of people whining about roads. i want more of what i pay in taxes diverted to education. i want the teachers unions broken and the dnc mouthpieces out of the school system...

anyway... i guess the bottom line is i just want gov't out of my pockets. for a change.
Surly  [Member]
10/13/2010 8:04:32 PM
Originally Posted By dakotasin:
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i'm not looking for a single issue vote - the gun issue is a major vote for me, but not the only issue.

i am trying to open some dialogue about our potential politicians and what makes the difference. i don't think noem is the answer, nor do i think herseth is the answer. but herseth seems to be widely supported in the state. all of the polls i'm aware of show herseth w/ a lead. the dnc reduced herseth's funding from $500,000 down to $150,000. that leads me to believe she is expecting victory.

noem has stepped up her advertising quite a bit, and other than explaining herseth is bad, she doesn't say how she is good. since i haven't met her nor seen her debate, i am hoping someone can explain why she is good.

all of the politicians do exactly what noem charges in her ad: one way in s.d., another in d.c.

what makes her different? if she gets in, would she just vote the way she's told to vote by her handlers, or would she actually vote the way her constituency would like her to?

i think herseth vs. noem will be a tight race, decided by a slim number of votes. what makes one better than the other? if i throw my vote to the constitution party or to marking, and it costs noem the race don't i win, anyway, because the republican party in s.d. will see they are doing the same thing the national party has been doing? i.e., sending left of center 'republicans' into races, and then thinking idiots like mccain are the right thing... if i vote for the right wing, i want right wing tip, not left of center 'less socialist'..

i want my tax burden reduced significantly, gov't spending all but eliminated, borders sealed tight, serious welfare reform, obamacare repealed, gun laws repealed to at least the 68 gca, the federal reserve audited, political and police corruption and mountain lions eliminated, and so on...

i think it is asinine that my property taxes are twice what they were when i lived in wy in a more expensive house. i don't want city streets plowed except after 12" or more single event snowfall... i'm tired of people whining about roads. i want more of what i pay in taxes diverted to education. i want the teachers unions broken and the dnc mouthpieces out of the school system...

anyway... i guess the bottom line is i just want gov't out of my pockets. for a change.


If you're thinking Marking is the answer, you're giving your vote to Herseth. I'd love to vote in an independent, but I have to vote with the majority. Once the commie filth is out of the picture, then I'll concern myself with voting third party.
dakotasin  [Member]
10/13/2010 10:03:41 PM
i understand your point entirely, but here's my counter... that same thing has been bandied about for many election cycles. 'don't vote 3rd party, ya gotta vote bush or else weird al will win - after we get bush in, we'll work to get what we really want.'

it has been said cycle after cycle. so here we are, in a new cycle... and everything is still the same. in fact, i did vote bush... and thune... and the gop majority achieved what? the patriot act? no new gun control laws? no child left behind? a repeal of gun control laws? at least i can carry at mt. rushmore now... i thought the half-disarm they did was ridiculous, anyway.

at what point do i get to vote for what i really want? next cycle?

this recession we're in is a bad one, and while i sincerely believe our current leaders are ill-equipped to handle the economy, i only have slightly more faith in a republican congress and republican president to fix it. so, if/when the gop takes control of congress in this cycle, and nothing is fixed - what happens in the next cycle? can the gop turn the blame game back on to obama and hope 2012 will yield more control?

i think in 2010 the gop takes control of congress. then, by 2012 w/ a gridlocked congress and opposition party president, obama gets re-elected and the democrats pick up a majority in the house, and the senate is nearly evenly split. so, back into the same place where we are now, only slightly less socialist...

ahh, well... as hopeless as it appears to be, it is my civic duty to vote, so i will do that. don't know for who, yet - but i'll be at the polls just the same.
Surly  [Member]
10/14/2010 9:22:38 PM
The candidates that are going to move in and straighten out the gay old party need the fire held to their feet once they do. Yeah they are the incumbent the next time around unless they get their asses booted in the primary. That's the message we need to keep sending to do away with the shit sandwich we all get to eat when they start getting complacent. No term limits are needed if the process of election in conjunction with our keeping up with the issues as our civic duty requires. It's our fault for things getting the way they are and we need to be accountable for that. We got to start somewhere and trying to co opt the commie party is an exercise in futility at best. The single-issue vote is why I voted republicrat after voting for Perot. No more.
dakotasin  [Member]
10/14/2010 9:58:51 PM
ahh, yes... perot... he got my vote, too...

noem and herseth are in a very tight race. noem will be here in town to debate herseth later this month - i'll go to it and see how it goes.

i think noem is probably the lesser of 2 evils in this case, but i am seriously concerned about what appears to be her 'above the law' attitude. as i mentioned, i'd lose my job for having warrants.

what happened to when legislators had to come home and face the people and live within all the laws they made? legislators are surrounded by bodyguards and an entourage of gophers now - i think if they actually made sensible laws and had to live within the same laws they supported they wouldn't need such a large buffer zone.

we'll see how the debate is handled...
Surly  [Member]
10/15/2010 9:13:07 PM
I don't think she has the mentality of the libz regarding being above the law. If that's the best dirt they can find on her, who cares? I've had tickets and a warrant at one point. We're human and we fuck up. I'd be more worried about a slickster with a squeaky clean record that has a silver spoon up his or her ass...you know, the elitist type.

The legislators we have now need guarded because they don't do a damned thing they're told to do like not voting for maobamacare. They don't need shot or anything drastic...a good ass beating would go a long way though.
flinch08  [Team Member]
12/18/2010 7:40:40 PM
Originally Posted By EssPete:
Johnson won't be running again because his body can't take it. The man is still sharp as a tack but with a deteriorating body.

Surly is correct in we everyone needs to vote the same for the better cause to get the socialists out. It will take time, possibly even twelve or 18 years (LORD I HOPE NOT!) If the independants and tea parties split the conservative votes then the commies win. Don't be too far right wing.


Ole sharp as a tack TJ is voting lockstep with Dear Leader. I get the feeling he is not real concerned about how the people he represents feel about issues.

Surly  [Member]
12/19/2010 9:14:37 AM
Originally Posted By flinch08:
Ole sharp as a tack TJ is voting lockstep with Dear Leader. I get the feeling he is not real concerned about how the people he represents feel about issues.



He always has, as he represents the voting dead on the Res that vote, plus all of the deadbeat libs that are, more or less, brain dead. The conservative Norwegians on this side of the state are bad enough...I couldn't imagine what the pumpkin rolling liberal Norwegians are like in east river.

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