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Rossman1  [Member]
9/8/2008 11:26:40 AM
Yesterday afternoon I was speeding through some back country roads on my motorcycle. I was pulled over. I told the officer I had a CCW. He took my drivers license and CCW and went to his patrol car. He came back just a few minutes later and just gave me a warning.

Other than a traffic ticket for loosing control of my vehicle on ice in February, I have a clean record. Of course they can see any tickets, warrants, if you have a CCW, etc. But what else can they see? Can they see how many handguns you have registered? See any Michigan license you may possess? I'm a licensed CPA. What info can they easily see?

Do they note that you received a warning for speeding? Or should I only be concerned if the same officer stops me again? I intend to slow down
sgtlmj  [Team Member]
9/8/2008 6:46:05 PM

Originally Posted By Rossman1:
Yesterday afternoon I was speeding through some back country roads on my motorcycle. I was pulled over. I told the officer I had a CCW. He took my drivers license and CCW and went to his patrol car. He came back just a few minutes later and just gave me a warning.

Other than a traffic ticket for loosing control of my vehicle on ice in February, I have a clean record. Of course they can see any tickets, warrants, if you have a CCW, etc. But what else can they see? Can they see how many handguns you have registered? See any Michigan license you may possess? I'm a licensed CPA. What info can they easily see?

Do they note that you received a warning for speeding? Or should I only be concerned if the same officer stops me again? I intend to slow down


A typical file will give information from LEIN, which shows any in-state warrants, PPO's; NCIC/III, which shows extraditable warrants, out-of-state PPO's; SOS which shows your driving status, address, physical, CCW; CMIS, which shows parole, imprisonment. If you are out of state, your info comes through NLETS. From Canada you are run through CPIC.

They can run a driving record through SOS, which will show prior accidents, tickets out to about 7 years.

In order to run a pistols registered to, they submit the query to APRS and it takes anywhere from 1/2 hour to a week to come back. It's not something that is usually done except in the case of an investigation. Even then, the information is only as accurate as whoever entered it. Last time I ran myself, I still had pistols that I didn't own on there, and my name was spelled about 5 different ways.

If they have probable cause to suspect you in a crime, they can run your CCH (Computerized Criminal History) which will show them arrests, prosecutions, and dispositions.
JBCHRITZ  [Member]
9/8/2008 8:47:33 PM
Our MCT (in car computer) will run a full LEIN/NCIC/SOS check. That will show PPO's, in state or out of state warrants, CCW file, a driving status (valid, suspended, revoked) and a complete driving history (usually 7 years but that is dependent on SOS records).

LEIN will show some other stuff sometimes, like deported alien file (or whatever it is called), OSC (officer safety caution) hits and sometimes CMIS which is the prison system record.

There is a lot you can get from LEIN with other searches but they are not routinely used during a stop unless there is reason to do so.

Non-driving criminal history records don't come up without running them separate and there needs to be a reason listed. Yes the LEIN guys and gals do audits. They have had their sense of humor surgically removed so nobody wants to have CCH's run without a reason entered.

ETA: Warnings are not tracked anywhere unless the department does them individually and they would have to check those separately. If you are unlucky enough to be stopped by the same officer again, don't say "Hi again, how fast was I going this time."

Yes that actually happened.

Joe
bsf  [Member]
9/8/2008 9:25:44 PM

Originally Posted By JBCHRITZ:
Our MCT (in car computer) will run a full LEIN/NCIC/SOS check. That will show PPO's, in state or out of state warrants, CCW file, a driving status (valid, suspended, revoked) and a complete driving history (usually 7 years but that is dependent on SOS records).

LEIN will show some other stuff sometimes, like deported alien file (or whatever it is called), OSC (officer safety caution) hits and sometimes CMIS which is the prison system record.

There is a lot you can get from LEIN with other searches but they are not routinely used during a stop unless there is reason to do so.

Non-driving criminal history records don't come up without running them separate and there needs to be a reason listed. Yes the LEIN guys and gals do audits. They have had their sense of humor surgically removed so nobody wants to have CCH's run without a reason entered.

ETA: Warnings are not tracked anywhere unless the department does them individually and they would have to check those separately. If you are unlucky enough to be stopped by the same officer again, don't say "Hi again, how fast was I going this time."

Yes that actually happened.

Joe

Can you explain OSC's?
cybersniper  [Member]
9/8/2008 9:45:22 PM
Correct me if Im wrong, but it is linked to a criminal record. If you have a felony conviction for violence or drugs it will slow a caution in LEIN with out running having to run criminal record.
thecleaner  [Team Member]
9/8/2008 11:29:18 PM

Originally Posted By cybersniper:
Correct me if Im wrong, but it is linked to a criminal record. If you have a felony conviction for violence or drugs it will slow a caution in LEIN with out running having to run criminal record.


Ahhhh yes, the good 'ol "10-99"
sgtlmj  [Team Member]
9/9/2008 12:06:37 AM

Originally Posted By bsf:

Originally Posted By JBCHRITZ:
Our MCT (in car computer) will run a full LEIN/NCIC/SOS check. That will show PPO's, in state or out of state warrants, CCW file, a driving status (valid, suspended, revoked) and a complete driving history (usually 7 years but that is dependent on SOS records).

LEIN will show some other stuff sometimes, like deported alien file (or whatever it is called), OSC (officer safety caution) hits and sometimes CMIS which is the prison system record.

There is a lot you can get from LEIN with other searches but they are not routinely used during a stop unless there is reason to do so.

Non-driving criminal history records don't come up without running them separate and there needs to be a reason listed. Yes the LEIN guys and gals do audits. They have had their sense of humor surgically removed so nobody wants to have CCH's run without a reason entered.

ETA: Warnings are not tracked anywhere unless the department does them individually and they would have to check those separately. If you are unlucky enough to be stopped by the same officer again, don't say "Hi again, how fast was I going this time."

Yes that actually happened.

Joe

Can you explain OSC's?


OSC is an Officer Safety Caution. It's a tag that LEIN will put on a file for someone with violent or weapons-related crimes on their CCH. Dispatchers are instructed to indicate that the subject has a "possible" OSC, as you don't really know for sure unless you run a full CCH.

+1 on LEIN Field Services not having a sense of humor. Seen on a LEIN newsletter around Christmas: "Santa Clause is Nil/No. Trust us. Don't run him. You have been warned."
Tao  [Member]
9/9/2008 1:56:38 AM
This all changes in Jan 09 with the new registration laws, right? Gun registration info will then come up in a LEIN?
morrie419  [Member]
9/9/2008 6:12:25 PM
Handgun registrations are in LEIN and have been for years....it lists all past and present owned pistols. But, it is not something that is routinely checked.

hanibal  [Team Member]
9/9/2008 11:21:25 PM
Anyone kind enough to give us regular guys an acronym translation?



morrie419  [Member]
9/10/2008 12:23:56 AM
Law Enforcement Information Network (LEIN) the evil state police computer system with all the valuable information on all of us. I'll skip the acronyms....the network connects all of the various computer systems in the state; drivers license, guns, corrections/probation, warrants, etc. and ties to the national system which enables access to other state networks. Each state has independent networks.

I speak acronyms all day, so it is difficult to communicate in english sometimes
snakeman48  [Life Member]
9/10/2008 12:48:25 AM
My question is similar to the OP's. So I'll post it here instead of a new thread.

What does a LE see when reporting to a home address?

The wife came home from errands today, and set off the security system unknowingly.
After she heard the sounder, she ran in to intercept the call back from the alarm company. She missed it, and called the company to report the accidental alarm.
They had already informed the police.

So our county's SD responded to the alarm. The officer asked to see her ID. (I'm proud of him for that) Well she invited him into the laundry room / kitchen, while she retrieved it.

From where she said he stood, he got an eye full. Loaded .22 rifle in the corner.
A box of 40 S&W Ranger on the bar, next to a empty holster. My Sig Sauer certificates on the refrigerator, held held up by NRA magnets.
He walked in and out, past a HK calender showing 3 women LE on a indoor range, floor littered in spent shell casings.
Never said a word about any of it. He checked her DL, she explained how she manage to set it off. He bid her a nice day, and left.


sgtlmj  [Team Member]
9/10/2008 1:38:30 AM

Originally Posted By snakeman48:
My question is similar to the OP's. So I'll post it here instead of a new thread.

What does a LE see when reporting to a home address?

The wife came home from errands today, and set off the security system unknowingly.
After she heard the sounder, she ran in to intercept the call back from the alarm company. She missed it, and called the company to report the accidental alarm.
They had already informed the police.

So our county's SD responded to the alarm. The officer asked to see her ID. (I'm proud of him for that) Well she invited him into the laundry room / kitchen, while she retrieved it.

From where she said he stood, he got an eye full. Loaded .22 rifle in the corner.
A box of 40 S&W Ranger on the bar, next to a empty holster. My Sig Sauer certificates on the refrigerator, held held up by NRA magnets.
He walked in and out, past a HK calender showing 3 women LE on a indoor range, floor littered in spent shell casings.
Never said a word about any of it. He checked her DL, she explained how she manage to set it off. He bid her a nice day, and left.




Your wife lets you keep all that crap out?

When reporting to an address on an alarm, dispatch will provide any history at that location, but they can't search LEIN by address. Most likely they would run the license plate on the car in the driveway and see if it belonged to the home owner, which would be information provided by the alarm company.

Guys, don't get wrapped around the axle about what the cops can see on you. $50 at one of the major internet background sites will provide far more information than a LE file check. I did some private eye work and was shocked at what could be brought up on someone in the private sector. Shocked.

Acronyms:

LEIN - Law Enf Information Network
NCIC - Nat'l Crime Information Center
SOS - Secretary of State
NLETS - Nat'l Law Enf Telecommunication System
CMIS - Corrections Management Information System
CPIC - Canadian Police Information Centre
APRS - Automated Pistol Registration System (MSP)
CCH - Computerized Criminal History
OSC - Officer Safety Caution
SOR - Sex Offender Registry

snakeman48  [Life Member]
9/10/2008 9:23:18 AM

Originally Posted By sgtlmj:


Your wife lets you keep all that crap out?



I LOL'ed on that.
It stuff was out for her. The rifle is always out. Used to dispatch what's ever in the live traps in the morning.



Thanks for posting all the Acronyms for us armchair LEO's
hanibal  [Team Member]
9/10/2008 5:35:27 PM

Originally Posted By sgtlmj:

Acronyms:

LEIN - Law Enf Information Network
NCIC - Nat'l Crime Information Center
SOS - Secretary of State
NLETS - Nat'l Law Enf Telecommunication System
CMIS - Corrections Management Information System
CPIC - Canadian Police Information Centre
APRS - Automated Pistol Registration System (MSP)
CCH - Computerized Criminal History
OSC - Officer Safety Caution
SOR - Sex Offender Registry




Thanks!
JBCHRITZ  [Member]
9/11/2008 4:15:24 PM
Thanks Sgtlmj for putting up the list. I was in a hurry when I last posted and have been off at the MSP academy for training all week.

What someone will get info wise on an address depends heavily on the CAD (computer aided dispatch) system that the local call center or 911 has. The one we have here is pretty good and has all prior calls, what agencies respond for different emergencies, keyholder information (if added), who the phone belongs to, etc.

The info on an enhanced 911 is one of the big reasons I still have a landline. As soon as the last number is pushed the call is in and at the very least dispatch will have a hang up or an open line.

Joe
natethreet  [Team Member]
9/11/2008 8:39:24 PM
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU.......
morrie419  [Team Member]
9/11/2008 9:09:22 PM

Originally Posted By natethreet:
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU.......


Big Brother can be mighty handy to have around. Especially when YOU are the victim demanding the police catch the bad guys, and catch them yesterday.

JBCHRITZ  [Member]
9/12/2008 11:01:21 AM
If Big Brother is watching, I am like the little step-brother that is always eating the last pop tart.

Joe
morrie419  [Team Member]
9/12/2008 11:39:21 AM

Originally Posted By JBCHRITZ:
If Big Brother is watching, I am like the little step-brother that is always eating the last pop tart.

Joe



You just earned yourself a wedgie
Afsdad  [Member]
9/12/2008 3:21:21 PM
Of course us non-LEO knows that "they" wouldn't tell us the whole story. I've heard they can tell when you last took a dump!
sgtlmj  [Team Member]
9/12/2008 5:00:21 PM

Originally Posted By Afsdad:
Of course us non-LEO knows that "they" wouldn't tell us the whole story. I've heard they can tell when you last took a dump!


You need to add some fiber to your diet.
JEOla  [Member]
9/12/2008 10:41:42 PM

Originally Posted By morrie419:

Originally Posted By natethreet:
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU.......


Big Brother can be mighty handy to have around. Especially when YOU are the victim demanding the police catch the bad guys, and catch them yesterday.




That's where we went wrong (IMHO).
corpman  [Member]
9/12/2008 11:17:31 PM
If a rational person operates his motor vehicle, within the law, why would he care what Big Brother needs to know about him? Speeding is probable cause.
morrie419  [Team Member]
9/13/2008 12:42:21 AM

Originally Posted By corpman:
If a rational person operates his motor vehicle, within the law, why would he care what Big Brother needs to know about him? Speeding is probable cause.


Exactly.

I operate all of the above acronyms daily, but there is even more information on the interweb, so I don't worry too much myself about what the PD has on me. I also operate my vehicles rationally. I have to, my 2500HD gets 10 MPG
dezmo1754  [Member]
9/13/2008 7:50:49 AM

Originally Posted By Afsdad:
Of course us non-LEO knows that "they" wouldn't tell us the whole story. I've heard they can tell when you last took a dump!


Not if you place aluminum foil above the toilet.....
Afsdad  [Member]
9/14/2008 4:34:58 PM
I am one of those strange people who follow the laws, stay under the speed limit and all that. I don't worry about Big Brother one bit.