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 Best way to transfer ownership of long gun in Michigan?
JohnnyMcEldoo  [Team Member]
11/25/2006 5:13:31 PM
I have a potential buyer of one or more of my rifles in Michigan. Both rifles have folding stocks that are greater than 26"s when folded but less than 30"s. So Iam under the impression the buyer would need to get a "green card". Im curious though how the transaction should take place. Should I take the rifles to his nearest FFL and he gets the permit and shows this to the FFL or can I give him the rifles directly since its a bordering state and its then his responsability to get the permit?

Whats the best way to comply with state law on this?
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Bigant  [Team Member]
11/25/2006 11:29:30 PM

Originally Posted By JohnnyMcEldoo:
I have a potential buyer of one or more of my rifles in Michigan. Both rifles have folding stocks that are greater than 26"s when folded but less than 30"s. So Iam under the impression the buyer would need to get a "green card". Im curious though how the transaction should take place. Should I take the rifles to his nearest FFL and he gets the permit and shows this to the FFL or can I give him the rifles directly since its a bordering state and its then his responsability to get the permit?

Whats the best way to comply with state law on this?


Pistols MUST go thorough a FFL....only Longguns can be done face to face.

So go to a FFL or mail them to his FFL after you get a copy of his Lic.

Ant
JohnnyMcEldoo  [Team Member]
11/26/2006 1:38:59 PM
Ok, so does he need to get a permit or green card for the rifles before he can take ownership of them from the FFL?
Archangel6  [Team Member]
11/26/2006 2:16:42 PM

Originally Posted By JohnnyMcEldoo:
Ok, so does he need to get a permit or green card for the rifles before he can take ownership of them from the FFL?


No
bullitt5172  [Team Member]
11/26/2006 3:09:22 PM

Originally Posted By Archangel6:

Originally Posted By JohnnyMcEldoo:
Ok, so does he need to get a permit or green card for the rifles before he can take ownership of them from the FFL?


NoYES he does




If the rifles are indeed less than 30" when folded they are considered pistols and the buyer needs to present a green card or a CCW at the FFL. They will need to be shipped.

Rifles can be transfered to another MI resident with no paperwork needed. I asked this question a while back. Michigan residents can legally buy a rifle from an Ohio resident. We cannot buy a pistol from a resident or FFL in any other state.
Bigant  [Team Member]
11/26/2006 9:48:58 PM

Originally Posted By Archangel6:

Originally Posted By JohnnyMcEldoo:
Ok, so does he need to get a permit or green card for the rifles before he can take ownership of them from the FFL?


No


You might want to read the question fully before giving advise....Dont get me wrong we all have done it
JohnnyMcEldoo  [Team Member]
11/26/2006 9:52:17 PM
I was under the impression from reading about this topic in the archives that he has to take the rifles in to the sherrif for a safety inspection and after that he can get the permit.

I would prefer to take the rifles to the FFL myself as this is a trade deal and I have to go to his state.
Archangel6  [Team Member]
11/27/2006 6:17:33 AM

Originally Posted By Bigant:

Originally Posted By Archangel6:

Originally Posted By JohnnyMcEldoo:
Ok, so does he need to get a permit or green card for the rifles before he can take ownership of them from the FFL?


No


You might want to read the question fully before giving advise....Dont get me wrong we all have done it


Yup..missed the over 26" but less than 30" part...
Ti45  [Member]
11/27/2006 10:38:53 AM

Michigan residents can legally buy a rifle from an Ohio resident.


I don't know how important the letter of the law is, here, but you might want to look into the distinction between Ohio resident and Ohio FFL. Previous discourse

The "contiguous state" language was in GCA 1968, but I couldn't find it the last time I looked. I think it may have gone out with Brady, or something since.
mikko  [Member]
11/28/2006 8:07:24 PM
Yeah, but these are not "rifles"

These are pistols

And to answer the other question. Here in MI, a person has to either hold a CPL (concealed pistol license) or go the local cop shop, pass a test, get a permit to purchase, make the purchase (this is where he would get the rifle/I mean pistol from the FFL) THEN within 10 days go back to have it saftey inspected, (I mean to check to see if it was stolen and to register it.... )

Overall, this sounds like an FFL necessary transaction.

bullitt5172  [Team Member]
11/28/2006 8:09:27 PM

Originally Posted By mikko:
Yeah, but these are not "rifles"

These are pistols


Already stated above, thanks for coming to the party
JohnnyMcEldoo  [Team Member]
11/28/2006 9:19:35 PM

Originally Posted By mikko:
Yeah, but these are not "rifles"

These are pistols

And to answer the other question. Here in MI, a person has to either hold a CPL (concealed pistol license) or go the local cop shop, pass a test, get a permit to purchase, make the purchase (this is where he would get the rifle/I mean pistol from the FFL) THEN within 10 days go back to have it saftey inspected, (I mean to check to see if it was stolen and to register it.... )

Overall, this sounds like an FFL necessary transaction.



Thanks guys. That clears it up for me.
Ti45  [Member]
11/29/2006 6:55:15 AM

Yeah, but these are not "rifles"

These are pistols


Well, actually that would depend on what courtroom you are being led into. Many of us forget that both Federal and state laws apply to firearms. Under Federal law, the Uzi in question is not a pistol, it is a rifle. Section 922 is a Federal law.

It just seems to bear repeating, because one repeatedly sees sweeping generalized statements posted on forums that, if unchallenged, might just lead somebody into trouble, down the road.

To the original poster, it's a moot point- FFL for both reasons.
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