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 Worst Gun Range in the State ...........TWRA Stones River
SpoonMan3  [Member]
3/10/2010 9:43:28 AM EST
Let me first say that I believe stronly in gun safety. I have several rules that I abide by even when I am on private property.

After last weekend, I have decided that the TWRA Stones River Gun Range, might be the worst gun range in the state.

Dont get me wrong, the facilities are nice, but after my 3rd visit last weekend..... I will never, EVER go back. See the reasons below:

- A range office has to check each and every firearm that you bring with a flashlight and mirror....for safety (if you bring 6 rifles......they are going to check 6 rifles"

- The lady at the handgun range was probably the most annoying human I have ever met:

I -asked for 3 lanes for me and my 2 friends... she asked how many guns we had (completely irrelevant and none of her damn business)

-I put up 2 - 6" targets on my cardboard stand at 5 Yards (Got Yelled at on the loudspeaker)....only one target per stand regardless of size.... not sure of the logic there


I- unloaded a handgun, removed the magazine, and locked the slide open and preoceeded to pass it to my friend in the next lane w/ barrel pointed downrange.... Got yelled at (barrel supposed to point straight up.....)


-After the incident above, we decided to leave our handguns on the bench (unloaded, slide open, barrel pointing down range) and just switch places......again, we were verbally acosted by a yankee know it all b!tch


- There was an hour and a half wait for the rifle range (they wouldnt open the 50 yard range with 20+ benches)

- They always want to know how many rounds of ammo you shot (and what caliber) - again........ WHY?

I was honestly waiting for the lady to tell me that I couldn't go out and change targets until I had put on sunscreen.....

Sorry to rant... I just feel like some of these RSO's (especially the female) put their orange vest on and think they are God

Anyone else had a run in with that lady?
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Evilsmurfkilla  [Member]
3/10/2010 10:20:38 AM EST
I quit going out there, the Montgomery County TWRA range is much less of a hassle.
killthewabbit69  [Team Member]
3/10/2010 10:21:43 AM EST
SpoonMan...I feel your pain. She is the reason editI don't go to that range often.edit
My main issue with her...among many... is that while I am trying to shoot precision with my Anschutz rifle, she is standing behind me flapping her pie hole as loud as it will go.

Side Note:...Some of the east TN. guys may remember this woman, as she worked at CCA for awhile. Tall, big boobs, and a big mouth as well.
SpoonMan3  [Member]
3/10/2010 10:58:59 AM EST
VERY FUNNY!!! I am glad I am not the only one!

She is horrible and to be completely honest, I am not totally sure she is 100% female.
bladed45TN  [Team Member]
3/10/2010 11:21:57 AM EST
Sorry...but I go there a lot and have never had an issue. If you only have one gun, put the fucking thing down, get one lane and have the next guy come up to shoot. I wouldn't feel safe with someone (as obviously rational as yourself) handing guns to friends to see who can shoot the best with the same piece. You think the range officers should let guns be passed between lanes while the firing line is hot? You think there should be one officer for every lane that can inspect whether you were smart enough to make sure the chamber was empty?

Get a target with more than one bullseye. Have your friends stay on the same lane as you and wait til it goes cold and then switch targets and see which one of you guys can hit it. Every reason you got pissed seems like a reasonable and rational reason for someone looking out for the safety of others to yell at your @$$.

I, for one, am glad you won't be coming around there any more.

Really cool to bash someone on the site about their looks and sexuality too as I am sure you were as brash on the range.

FWIW, I like the officers there. They issue rain checks if your build fucks up and your tool-less. Help out when they can and offer decent advice when they can. For $5, they have my business until they let guys like you, who think they know a better way to operate, start changing things.

GTFO


bladed45TN  [Team Member]
3/10/2010 11:22:53 AM EST
Originally Posted By killthewabbit69:
SpoonMan...I feel your pain. She is the reason I won't go back to that range. My main issue with her...among many... is that while I am trying to shoot precision with my Anschutz rifle, she is standing behind me flapping her pie hole as loud as it will go.

Side Note:...Some of the east TN. guys may remember this woman, as she worked at CCA for awhile. Tall, big boobs, and a big mouth as well.


This is a fine criticism. Did you address her or anyone else about it?

bladed45TN  [Team Member]
3/10/2010 11:26:59 AM EST
- They always want to know how many rounds of ammo you shot (and what caliber) - again........ WHY?


Never been asked this, EVER. Maybe she wanted to know if you had cleaned up your brass. Who cares? This isn't the fucking census. I tell you what...write Lamar and Bob and see to it they shut this place down as they are obviously infringing on your rights.
inzane123  [Team Member]
3/10/2010 1:10:39 PM EST
You should try the Natchez Trace range. No range officer and the people on the rifle range shoot from behind the pistol range positions.
Woodsman20  [Member]
3/10/2010 1:15:18 PM EST
Don't forget, all guns have to be bagged.
All shot n see stickers have to be on paper.
No staples.
Sometimes you will get a push pin Nazi. What you need more pins? 4 is all you get.

They ask used to ask you how many rounds you shot so they can keep up with the amount of lead. I think after so much lead they have clean it out and replace the dirt (EPA standards, I think). Contray to what some have said you do have to give them the info.

I too have stopped going there sometime back. I am appreciative of the RSO's who volunteer there time and do good jobs at keeping people safe. There are a few RSO's that just simply should not be around people (period). That is the case where ever you go for whatever you do. I expressed my issues with the TWRA officers repeatedly but they went unheard(how do you fire someone who does something for free). However I starting going there when it first opened and I think the range rules were like seven rules total. When they got to 2 to 3 pages long, they would not do anything about the problem RSO's, and everyone "found it" that is when I stopped going.

I had an RSO threaten to call the AFT on me 2 differnt occasions. Once I had a Marlin model 70 and he said I had cut the barrel. Again when my 1911 went full auto on me, scared me sh7tl3ss, here he comes getting on to me threaning to call ATF on me wanting to see my paperwork for this full auto weapon. I explained, he could care less. Another RSO came up and told him he was being an idiot.

The worst range at one time was Cheatham. That place used to be a dangerous free for all.

Most of what they do is for safety. Some people get carried away enforcing the rules. I will go back someday.
karlvin08  [Member]
3/10/2010 3:21:09 PM EST
The mirror thing is kind of an insult to a persons intelligence, but whatever I am used to being rodded on and off ranges in the military anyway. The one target per board is a bit odd, but it is their rule I am sure it is in place because someone tried to put up multiple targets and ended up shooting up the stand or something along that line. Rather than try to say you can only put up more than one target if they are less than this size or whatever it is easier to just say one target only, less room for complaints about what is fair or not. Most rules exist for a reason, stupid people ruin things for the rest of us. Everything else they did wasn't that odd and even the two I mentioned I am sure they have a reason. I would be willing to bet somewhere along the way you signed a form saying you read and understood all teh rules there you just didn't bother to read them. That said I do get annoyed at over zealous RSO's, but also remember living in MD where there were no public ranges in the area and if you wanted to shoot your choices were join an expensive club or drive really far so any place to shoot is better than none. If you have a problem with the RSO's there why not volunteer to go stand there and deal with dumbasses all day long so you can do it properly.
Woodsman20  [Member]
3/10/2010 4:51:52 PM EST
There are some idiots that go there.

I remember a guy that came up and he had one of the first time cards. I knew it was going to be good. He puts his target out at 10 yards. 5 is to close for this crack shot. Line goes hot and he starts shooting sideways gangsta style and pumping the gun like he was punching as he would go to shot. He emptied a clip, no holes.... goes thru the box of ammo.. no holes..."man something is wrong with this gun" he says. He was hitting the wood divider. I started to help him, then I thought better of it. I thought more damage might be done by helping this guy hit what he was aimimng at.
Hank  [Moderator]
3/10/2010 5:05:14 PM EST
Huh huh... you said "clip"... that was cool...
SpoonMan3  [Member]
3/10/2010 5:15:53 PM EST
Bladed45TN -

I seem to have hit a nerve..... are you married to an RSO at the stones river range by chance?
SpoonMan3  [Member]
3/10/2010 5:17:56 PM EST
I WILL have to admit, in their defense, I did see several idiots attempting to shoot gangsta style
killthewabbit69  [Team Member]
3/10/2010 5:48:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By bladed45TN:
Originally Posted By killthewabbit69:
SpoonMan...I feel your pain. She is the reason I won't go back to that range. My main issue with her...among many... is that while I am trying to shoot precision with my Anschutz rifle, she is standing behind me flapping her pie hole as loud as it will go.

Side Note:...Some of the east TN. guys may remember this woman, as she worked at CCA for awhile. Tall, big boobs, and a big mouth as well.


This is a fine criticism. Did you address her or anyone else about it?



I did not confront her directly, as I did not want to create a conflict on the shooting line.
I did bring up my concerns to the RSO's manager ( the TWRA agent ) though.


killthewabbit69  [Team Member]
3/10/2010 5:57:58 PM EST
Other than this one particular RSO.....I like the range.

It's a safe place to shoot that's close to my house.

It doesn't cost alot of $$$ to shoot there.

I like the fact that they'll issue a rain check if you have a malfunction ( I've recieved two ).

It's not a free-4-all death match like the Ashland City range can be.
Usagi  [Member]
3/10/2010 7:06:02 PM EST
I shoot at this range from time to time. Some things I've witnessed:

RSO disassembled my rifle without my permission / request. He couldn't put it back together. Even if he could, I wouldn't want him to... I never gave him permission to touch my property.

During a cease-fire, an RSO bumped a table where my rifle was. This caused the rifle to tumble. I caught it before it smacked into the ground and put it back on the table, in such a position so that it could not fall again. RSO YELLS at me to not touch the gun. I suggested maybe he wanted to pay for a new one if it fell and broke the next time his fat ass bumped into it. That shut him up.

RSO comes over to me to "help" me sight in my rifle. I was getting my AR dialed in at 25 yards for an Appleseed. At this point, I did not really need his help (was already on the list for the 200-yard range), but he did not get the hint. He couldn't figure why I'd want it dialed in at 25 yards. He kept saying I wouldn't be on paper at 100 yards. I mean, he got OBSESSIVE over the fact that I was not going to be on paper at 100 yards. His look when I told him I'd be about 7" high - . As I was leaving, he asked if I got it dialed in (which I did) - I respond with a yes - he says "well, you're not going to be on paper at 100 yards." I told him for the seventh time that I would never be shooting the AR at 100 yards, and I don't hunt, and why would I need it dialed in at 100 yards? His face

I usually have the rifle open and sometimes with a cleaning rod down the barrel for them to make sure the barrel is free of obstruction.

The look on the RSO's faces when I bring my M1 Carbine -
The look when I tell them they can shoot it if they bring the ammo -

FWIW- I've never met the woman described, but I've heard the stories.

FWIW2 - I have multiple times put up several targets on the same backboard. Never been fussed at.
bladed45TN  [Team Member]
3/10/2010 7:13:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By SpoonMan3:
Bladed45TN -

I seem to have hit a nerve..... are you married to an RSO at the stones river range by chance?


maybeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
mtforlife  [Team Member]
3/10/2010 8:45:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By killthewabbit69:
SpoonMan...I feel your pain. She is the reason editI don't go to that range often.edit
My main issue with her...among many... is that while I am trying to shoot precision with my Anschutz rifle, she is standing behind me flapping her pie hole as loud as it will go.

Side Note:...Some of the east TN. guys may remember this woman, as she worked at CCA for awhile. Tall, big boobs, and a big mouth as well.


"And there's yer sign"

I lived up in Knox Vegas briefly and visited that fine establishment a few times as it was literally down the hill from the body shop I worked at. Some fine courteous & helpful folks they employ.
WiAlFe1229  [Member]
3/10/2010 8:54:27 PM EST
hahaha i thought i was the only one that hated this woman. once i was at the pistol range and i heard her manly voice over the oudspeaker yell, "sir! put the gun down!" i thought someone had manned up and tried to finish her.
The_Accuser  [Team Member]
3/11/2010 4:19:25 AM EST
You don't have to record how many rounds you shoot...they stopped needing that info two years ago. After a few years of recording that info they were able to get a average annual rate so they know when to replace the berms.

The reason they limit folks to one target on the backing at the pistol range is because folks would put up multiple targets and end up shooting up the frames and baffles. I was a volunteer there for nearly four years and you may be surprised how many folks cannot hit the target even at 5 yards. They wouldn't mean to shoot the frames and baffles but it happened constantly.
Woodsman20  [Member]
3/11/2010 12:04:52 PM EST
Shows how long it has been for me.
pukindog  [Team Member]
3/11/2010 2:07:25 PM EST
I have decided the only time I will go to that range is on a Friday, and I never bother to take more than a few guns at a time. On Friday the RSO's seem to be more laid back. Maybe it's just the people who work on Fridays, or maybe it's because there is far less traffic at the range that day.

Sometimes the overzealous RSO's can be a bit annoying. I took my AR pistol there and had 4 different RSO's ask to see my paperwork for my SBR.

Finslayer83  [Team Member]
3/17/2010 5:44:48 PM EST

Side Note:...Some of the east TN. guys may remember this woman, as she worked at CCA for awhile. Tall, big boobs, and a big mouth as well.[/span]


The blonde one? very manish IMO.

I play at Cheatham and private land round town.
TNROBOCOP  [Team Member]
3/17/2010 8:53:59 PM EST
I know they have a woman there that has dark hair and wears glasses.

Biggest know it all tard I have ever heard open her piehole.

Talks like she knows everything, but if you actually listen to her she doesn't know her head from a hole in the ground.

She tried to tell me something about what I was doing wrong on the rifle range once. I just ignored her and she finally went away.

Over 20 years in the military and LE and work as a FI in both fields plus an untold number of shooting schools I think I know what I am doing.

FOAD Ms. Knowitall.
50cal  [Team Member]
3/18/2010 4:35:54 AM EST
Originally Posted By killthewabbit69:
SpoonMan...I feel your pain. She is the reason editI don't go to that range often.edit
My main issue with her...among many... is that while I am trying to shoot precision with my Anschutz rifle, she is standing behind me flapping her pie hole as loud as it will go.

Side Note:...Some of the east TN. guys may remember this woman, as she worked at CCA for awhile. Tall, big boobs, and a big mouth as well.


Tamara. She used to post regularly at GlockTalk. Wondered what happened to her at CCA.

TNROBOCOP  [Team Member]
3/18/2010 6:21:32 AM EST
Originally Posted By 50cal:
Originally Posted By killthewabbit69:
SpoonMan...I feel your pain. She is the reason editI don't go to that range often.edit
My main issue with her...among many... is that while I am trying to shoot precision with my Anschutz rifle, she is standing behind me flapping her pie hole as loud as it will go.

Side Note:...Some of the east TN. guys may remember this woman, as she worked at CCA for awhile. Tall, big boobs, and a big mouth as well.


Tamara. She used to post regularly at GlockTalk. Wondered what happened to her at CCA.



I wouldn't think that it was Tamara. Last I heard from Oleg is that she moved to Indiana or something.
coondog  [Member]
3/18/2010 3:19:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By killthewabbit69:
Other than this one particular RSO.....I like the range.

It's a safe place to shoot that's close to my house.

It doesn't cost alot of $$$ to shoot there.

I like the fact that they'll issue a rain check if you have a malfunction ( I've recieved two ).

It's not a free-4-all death match like the Ashland City range can be.


YOU SAID IT BROTHER!!!! The best time to go to that Ashland city range is when no one else is there. Of course as soon as someone shows up, I get nervous....
The TWRA range is pretty decent I think. Yeah, the rules may be what we aren't used to but it's thier rules and to shoot there you have to go by them. I don't have a problem following rules. I'd rather them be like that than the Ashland City range. Good lord, I don't know how many times I was down range when a shot goes off. And thats after I personaly yell "ALL CLEAR?" and get a thumbs up from EVERYONE. Anyway, you have to remember that they probably deal with more morons there than any of us have. The "woman" range officer is odd but....hey, at least she likes guns and shoots them. She's alright in my book.
ceraldi  [Member]
3/18/2010 5:52:58 PM EST
Originally Posted By TNROBOCOP:
I know they have a woman there that has dark hair and wears glasses.

Biggest know it all tard I have ever heard open her piehole.

Talks like she knows everything, but if you actually listen to her she doesn't know her head from a hole in the ground.

She tried to tell me something about what I was doing wrong on the rifle range once. I just ignored her and she finally went away.

Over 20 years in the military and LE and work as a FI in both fields plus an untold number of shooting schools I think I know what I am doing.

FOAD Ms. Knowitall.


LOL yup she did the same thing to me on the pistol range.... explaining to me why the .22 ammo I was shooting was no good and that I needed to get some "Match Grade" then the pistol would jam less... umm go away I dont fucking care i'm practicing malfunctions ;-) she went away dosent talk to me now. It is a nice range and I do appreciate it being there for us but the only time I go there anymore is when I can't shoot on my friends property out off I-840.
Just a side note, I have noticed that they are extra strict to the Antioch gang bangers/illegals/non English speakers that show up. I don't blame them, the safety level drops off greatly when those tards show up and I usually leave at that point. sadly that range is a victim of location to some extent and I think the RSO's just tend to start treating everyone at the same lowest common denominator.
KDForklift  [Member]
3/19/2010 5:36:18 AM EST
+1 on the hate. I know 3 other people that won't go there specifically because of Tranny McGunsalot and some other RSO douche that (no kidding) grabbed my brother's Glock while he was reloading a mag (line was hot) and was like 'wanna see how the SEALS check a round?' puts a round in the chamber, holds his thumb over the slide so it doesn't function and fires. We could put up with a lot of stuff, but that was the last straw.
bladed45TN  [Team Member]
3/19/2010 11:33:51 AM EST
Originally Posted By KDForklift:
+1 on the hate. I know 3 other people that won't go there specifically because of Tranny McGunsalot and some other RSO douche that (no kidding) grabbed my brother's Glock while he was reloading a mag (line was hot) and was like 'wanna see how the SEALS check a round?' puts a round in the chamber, holds his thumb over the slide so it doesn't function and fires. We could put up with a lot of stuff, but that was the last straw.


Created another ID just to prove your point?

Blake  [Team Member]
3/19/2010 3:53:38 PM EST
I live in Knoxville, and I can say the TWRA range here is very much the same...interrogation about your guns, no rapid fire of any kind, caliber restriction , don't like ARs, etc... That is why I belong to ORSA...top notch range, 600+ acres, 200, 300, 600, 1000 yard high power range, bench rest range, rimfire range, plinking range, action pistol/3 gun range, indoor range, archery range, skeet range, trap range. We are self policed and I have never had any incident whatsoever. I also shoot at a police range up in Norris that is nice...when you have it to yourself...sometimes it can get a little crowded with Fudds and/or shady mountain folk, in which case I pack up my toys and leave.

I feel your pain about TWRA ranges, and I don't hold them in high regard.

My opinion on CCA is that it employs mostly jackhandle posers.
pukindog  [Team Member]
3/20/2010 6:20:54 AM EST
Originally Posted By Blake:
I live in Knoxville, and I can say the TWRA range here is very much the same...interrogation about your guns, no rapid fire of any kind, caliber restriction , don't like ARs, etc...


I went range - the one being discussed in this thread - yesterday and the rifle range was full except for the two 200 yd lanes. Just about every other lane had an AR, including mine. Just pointing out that at least they are not anti-AR here, and as far as I know they are not caliber restrictive - maybe someone else knows. ETA: I have seen plenty of FA guns here too, so I don't think there is any restriction on rapid fire.

I did find out yesterday though that you can only use the 200 yd lanes if you buy an annual membership. That kind of sucks, but I guess it's their way of limiting access since they only have two lanes.

It's a nice facility, but there are a number of limitations and downsides I would rather not have to deal with. However, for me, this is the only game in town, especially for rifles. Hopefully some day I will find something better.

bart305  [Member]
3/20/2010 12:35:50 PM EST
I thought it would be great when it opened, very wrong. I drive 50 miles to shoot without all the hassle. I hate that place. If I am just shooting pistol I will drive to GunsN' Leather before going to Hobson Pike. If you are near Cookeville, Bend of the River was a great place to shoot in the 80s, don't know if it is still open.
The_Accuser  [Team Member]
3/20/2010 4:47:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By pukindog:
Originally Posted By Blake:
I live in Knoxville, and I can say the TWRA range here is very much the same...interrogation about your guns, no rapid fire of any kind, caliber restriction , don't like ARs, etc...


I went range - the one being discussed in this thread - yesterday and the rifle range was full except for the two 200 yd lanes. Just about every other lane had an AR, including mine. Just pointing out that at least they are not anti-AR here, and as far as I know they are not caliber restrictive - maybe someone else knows. ETA: I have seen plenty of FA guns here too, so I don't think there is any restriction on rapid fire.

I did find out yesterday though that you can only use the 200 yd lanes if you buy an annual membership. That kind of sucks, but I guess it's their way of limiting access since they only have two lanes.

It's a nice facility, but there are a number of limitations and downsides I would rather not have to deal with. However, for me, this is the only game in town, especially for rifles. Hopefully some day I will find something better.



No restrictions on NFA items that I know of. 50 BMG is the only caliber that I know they don't allow. I have even seen folks with belt guns before.
jbilbrey  [Member]
3/20/2010 8:08:27 PM EST
Bart305, Bend of the River up near Cookeville is still open as far as I know. There was a "mini-hometown shoot" up there around 2 years ago.

I probably had my own run-in of sorts with the RSO in question last weekend. I went to sight-in a AR-15 after replacing the front sight (thanks TNrobocop). After laying out everthing, she came up behind me and asked if that was a monocular that I was looking through. I had to tell her it was a red-dot sight. Afterwards, she was going around carrying on about her "concealed carry piece", a revolver in either .30 carbine or 30-30 (don't remember which; I just rolled my eyes and went back to shooting).

About the only reason now I go to the TWRA range is to zero rifles. I try to stick with 50-yd. zero's, and the range that I shoot the most at is 25-yards max. Otherwise, the other range is cheaper (plus free targets), a bit closer to my house, more friendly, and is geared more to practical shooting vs. bench-rest shooting.

James
bloodsport2885  [Team Member]
3/21/2010 8:37:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By killthewabbit69:
SpoonMan...I feel your pain. She is the reason editI don't go to that range often.edit
My main issue with her...among many... is that while I am trying to shoot precision with my Anschutz rifle, she is standing behind me flapping her pie hole as loud as it will go.

Side Note:...Some of the east TN. guys may remember this woman, as she worked at CCA for awhile. Tall, big boobs, and a big mouth as well.

The one that looks like it used to be a dude? She has some interesting opinions about...well....everything. And they're all fucking wrong.
KDForklift  [Member]
3/23/2010 11:23:32 AM EST
Originally Posted By bloodsport2885:

The one that looks like it used to be a dude?


Yeah, that's why I called her Tranny McGunsalot! lol
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