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 Is there a limit on mag capacity in Wy?
mjguillory  [Team Member]
12/23/2008 8:56:36 AM EST
I have been told that one can't hunt with a mag that holds more than 5 rds.

Is it true?

I looked in the book but I don't see that particular rule. Just wanted to make
sure I'm not missing it.


eta: my rifle only holds 4 rds anyway, but a Fudd saw one of my AR's in the
double case and said, "You can't hunt with that because it holds more than five
rounds." I tried to look it up because I don't
believe him. Fudd. Everybody in the camp, except Fudd, wanted to shoot the AR
because it's fun and i was the only guy with one. I just don't get some people.
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Wirebrush  [Member]
12/23/2008 10:17:13 AM EST
I don't know for sure, but I'd be pretty suprised if WY had a restriction like that. Last I checked there is no law from stopping someone from hunting with a belt fed full auto in MT, although it's apparently illegal to hunt with a suppressor here. If there is a state with a more conservative and pro-gun culture than Montana it's Wyoming.
MrM4  [Member]
12/23/2008 10:22:46 AM EST
Call the state office that handles hunting in WY. GFP or DNR i dont knwo who it is in WY. SD on the other hand has the "no more then 6 in firearms law and no FA for hunting big game" thats about it.
medicmandan  [Moderator]
12/23/2008 12:36:24 PM EST
I seem to recall something about number of shells in a shotgun magazine when bird hunting but nothing for rifles. I've been in UT so long though I might be confusing things.
xdoctor  [Team Member]
12/23/2008 12:45:48 PM EST
Depends on what you're hunting. There is no magazine limit when hunting small game. For birds, the limit is two rounds. For large game it is 5. That's what I was taught years ago anyway, might be time to call the G&F and ask.
(307)477-4600

You can't hunt big game with a .223 AR because of both the magazine capacity restriction and the minimum caliber restriction.
mjguillory  [Team Member]
12/23/2008 1:16:30 PM EST
I knew that about the minimum caliber.
I did find it in the book.

.23 inch minimum!
Think they did that on purpose to exclude .223?

I guess it's understandable with the long range shots
and you'd have people trying to take out elk with it.

I just don't see anything about the mags.

anyway, thanks
tothemax  [Team Member]
12/23/2008 2:11:54 PM EST
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
I seem to recall something about number of shells in a shotgun magazine when bird hunting but nothing for rifles. I've been in UT so long though I might be confusing things.


3 shells total in a shotgun.
tothemax  [Team Member]
12/23/2008 2:13:06 PM EST
i was looking for the same information in the MT regs but couldnt come up with it. i wanted to take my m4 hunting but i wasnt sure about the mag restrictions.

any help from a MT hunter? can i hunt with a 20 round mag?
Cornsweat  [Member]
12/23/2008 3:22:21 PM EST
So in WY, if rifle will take a mag that can take more than 5 rounds you can't use it? What about a blocked mag, or one that only takes 5 rounds?

There is no caliber or mag restriction in MT, to my knowlede. The 3 round shotgun limit is for migratory birds (ducks, geese) and is a federal limit. I don't believe that there is a limit on other birds in MT.

I know some that hunt with not only AR-15's (Whitetail), but with AR-10s, M1A's, and even Garands. They use 20 round mags but load them with 5 rounds. These are not blocked mags, just the normal ones.

-Corn
xdoctor  [Team Member]
12/23/2008 7:32:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By Cornsweat:
So in WY, if rifle will take a mag that can take more than 5 rounds you can't use it? What about a blocked mag, or one that only takes 5 rounds?

There is no caliber or mag restriction in MT, to my knowlede. The 3 round shotgun limit is for migratory birds (ducks, geese) and is a federal limit. I don't believe that there is a limit on other birds in MT.

I know some that hunt with not only AR-15's (Whitetail), but with AR-10s, M1A's, and even Garands. They use 20 round mags but load them with 5 rounds. These are not blocked mags, just the normal ones.

-Corn


Blocked mags are ok, just like the stick you put in a pump or semi shotgun. If you're checked by the Game Warden, that sixth round better not go fit in the mag.
elcope  [Team Member]
12/24/2008 4:35:12 AM EST
I emailed FWP twice over the years for clarification and to settle disputes. Bothe answers were " there are no magazine restrictions for hunting in Montana".

I took Antelope two years in a row with a FAL. Talk about Fudds. "What is that thing"?

HTH,

Ed
mjguillory  [Team Member]
12/24/2008 8:18:27 AM EST
Originally Posted By elcope:
I emailed FWP twice over the years for clarification and to settle disputes. Bothe answers were " there are no magazine restrictions for hunting in Montana".

I took Antelope two years in a row with a FAL. Talk about Fudds. "What is that thing"?

HTH,

Ed


I bet.

them: "You a terrist(sic)?!"
TMA  [Member]
12/24/2008 1:57:56 PM EST
I am not a lawyer and my advice is worth exactly what you are paying for it, nothing. But I have hunted big game in Wyoming for over 25 years and to the best of my knowledge there are no laws limiting magazine capacity when hunting big game. The only magazine limits I am aware of are for shotguns and bird hunting.

In Wyoming everything is legal unless there is a law against it. Therefore if I am right, you will never find a law that says a high capacity magazine is OK. Get a copy of the "Big Game Regulations" and carefully read the sections on legal firearms, if no mention is made about magazine capacity, then it is OK to use as big a magazine as you want to lug through the woods. If you don't have confidence in my logic, then I would sugest you call the Wyoming Game & Fish (using the phone number on the "Big Game Regulations") and ask them.

As an aside, why would you want to carry a high capacity firearm while hunting big game? There is a saying amoung the old timers I hunt with, that goes "One shot. made meat; two shots, maybe; three shots (or more), missed." I have never experienced a need for more than the 4 rounds a good bolt action rifle will hold (I do carry an extra box of ammo in my back pack though). And for the last 10 years I have been hunting with a Ruger #1 (a single shot).

NWRed  [Team Member]
1/1/2009 10:37:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By TMA:


As an aside, why would you want to carry a high capacity firearm while hunting big game? There is a saying amoung the old timers I hunt with, that goes "One shot. made meat; two shots, maybe; three shots (or more), missed."



Who said the extra ammo was for game?
Skg_Mre_Lght  [Team Member]
1/2/2009 3:36:16 AM EST
Yes, you can only have 5 rounds for big game, and a minimum of .23" caliber with a OAL of at least 2" for the cartridge.

The reason given to me by a Game warden for the minimum caliber is that Elk are put into the same category as deer.
dfergusonp12  [Team Member]
1/3/2009 5:32:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght:
Yes, you can only have 5 rounds for big game, and a minimum of .23" caliber with a OAL of at least 2" for the cartridge.

The reason given to me by a Game warden for the minimum caliber is that Elk are put into the same category as deer.


I might have to dissagree with you on this one, respectfully of course. I called Wyoming Game and Fish in Oct of 08. NO limits of rifle mags for big game. "If you want to hunt with a war surplus rifle with a 100 round mag go right ahead, but I think common sence would dicate otherwise" was quoted to me. The 5 round limit is a misquoted statement that was probably taken from another state. The caliber restriction...dunno..... whats above looks good to me.

My real thought on the matter, you really don't need more than five. If you can't hit a deer or elk in two or three rounds, you should save the ammo and go to the range and practice.
Eroic  [Member]
1/5/2009 6:06:04 AM EST
In Montana from the Fish Wildlife and Parks people

http://fwp.mt.gov/content/getItem.aspx?id=32377 page 18

Methods and Means of Hunting
Firearms:
General Season
• There is no rifle or handgun caliber limitation for the taking of
big game animals. In addition, muzzleloaders, shotguns with
0, 00, or slugs, archery equipment, and crossbows are legal.
• The possession of firearms with silencers while afield is
illegal.

I don't see anything about magazine capacity either.

-E-
Mopseydocks6014  [Team Member]
1/5/2009 9:20:16 AM EST
I asked a buddy I work with (whom I'd believe everything concerning hunting/reloading/rifles) and he said he has never heard of any sort of restriction on capacity except when hunting fowl.
TMA  [Member]
1/5/2009 9:59:51 AM EST
I am not a lawyer and my advice is worth exactly what you are paying for it, nothing. Also you should not take legal advice from some unknown third party spewing crap over the error-net. Check it out for yourself if you are worried about breaking Wyoming’s laws.

Having said that, this thread was making me doubt my own sanity, so I walked across the street (during my lunch break today) to the Wyoming Game & Fish Headquarters in Cheyenne.

I talked to Al Langston, Wyoming Game & Fish Media & Customer Service Supervisor (307-777-4540). I ask him: “While big game hunting in Wyoming, is there a magazine capacity limit on the rifle you are hunting with?” His response was; “No, Wyoming does not care how many rounds your rifle carries, you can hunt with a "50 round banana clip" if you want.”

Also during the discussion he confirmed my previous line of reasoning that Wyoming laws do not tell you what you can do, only what you can’t do. So there is nothing written in Wyoming law saying you can use a “50 round banana clip”. But he did point out that you can look at the migratory bid regulations and see what the wording of the law would look like if there was a law concerning big game.
RockHard13F  [Team Member]
1/6/2009 2:42:15 AM EST
Originally Posted By TMA:
I am not a lawyer and my advice is worth exactly what you are paying for it, nothing. Also you should not take legal advice from some unknown third party spewing crap over the error-net. Check it out for yourself if you are worried about breaking Wyoming’s laws.

Having said that, this thread was making me doubt my own sanity, so I walked across the street (during my lunch break today) to the Wyoming Game & Fish Headquarters in Cheyenne.

I talked to Al Langston, Wyoming Game & Fish Media & Customer Service Supervisor (307-777-4540). I ask him: “While big game hunting in Wyoming, is there a magazine capacity limit on the rifle you are hunting with?” His response was; “No, Wyoming does not care how many rounds your rifle carries, you can hunt with a "50 round banana clip" if you want.”

Also during the discussion he confirmed my previous line of reasoning that Wyoming laws do not tell you what you can do, only what you can’t do. So there is nothing written in Wyoming law saying you can use a “50 round banana clip”. But he did point out that you can look at the migratory bid regulations and see what the wording of the law would look like if there was a law concerning big game.


So this begs to ask...how many bananas out of the 50 round clip do you have to hit a deer with to bring it down? It's kinda like shooting it with a 5.7 round outta a PS90 50 round magazine right? Only that is more like a 50 round cake clip. Or maype candy bar clip.

-Ben
Skg_Mre_Lght  [Team Member]
1/10/2009 3:57:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By dfergusonp12:
Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght:
Yes, you can only have 5 rounds for big game, and a minimum of .23" caliber with a OAL of at least 2" for the cartridge.

The reason given to me by a Game warden for the minimum caliber is that Elk are put into the same category as deer.


I might have to dissagree with you on this one, respectfully of course. I called Wyoming Game and Fish in Oct of 08. NO limits of rifle mags for big game. "If you want to hunt with a war surplus rifle with a 100 round mag go right ahead, but I think common sence would dicate otherwise" was quoted to me. The 5 round limit is a misquoted statement that was probably taken from another state. The caliber restriction...dunno..... whats above looks good to me.

My real thought on the matter, you really don't need more than five. If you can't hit a deer or elk in two or three rounds, you should save the ammo and go to the range and practice.


Wouldn't be the first time a game warden espoused wrong info...
Hanzerik  [Team Member]
1/10/2009 5:13:18 AM EST
Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght:
Originally Posted By dfergusonp12:
Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght:
Yes, you can only have 5 rounds for big game, and a minimum of .23" caliber with a OAL of at least 2" for the cartridge.

The reason given to me by a Game warden for the minimum caliber is that Elk are put into the same category as deer.


I might have to dissagree with you on this one, respectfully of course. I called Wyoming Game and Fish in Oct of 08. NO limits of rifle mags for big game. "If you want to hunt with a war surplus rifle with a 100 round mag go right ahead, but I think common sence would dicate otherwise" was quoted to me. The 5 round limit is a misquoted statement that was probably taken from another state. The caliber restriction...dunno..... whats above looks good to me.

My real thought on the matter, you really don't need more than five. If you can't hit a deer or elk in two or three rounds, you should save the ammo and go to the range and practice.


Wouldn't be the first time a game warden espoused wrong info...



I have never seen a F&G regulation on the limit of rounds a firearm can carry. Just the minimum caliber and 100yd energy requirements.
Gibbles  [Member]
1/16/2009 9:54:30 PM EST
I know in utah you can hunt small game with an AR loaded with a 30rd mag...

Some of the crap I have seen... deer coming through with three legs and half of it's rear end missing...

If in doubt I think Cproducts makes a 5 or 10 round AR mag. :)
mjguillory  [Team Member]
2/5/2009 11:06:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By NWRed:
Originally Posted By TMA:


As an aside, why would you want to carry a high capacity firearm while hunting big game? There is a saying amoung the old timers I hunt with, that goes "One shot. made meat; two shots, maybe; three shots (or more), missed."



Who said the extra ammo was for game?



As far as I am concerned, it wasn't so much about the high ammo capacity,
as that I wanted to hunt with my AR15. The smallest mag I have is a 20 rounder.
But, Wyoming's .23 cal minimum made it a moot point!
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