Porltand law "enforcement"
I don't normally link to my blog from here but I went to an illegal alien conference last night and Portland Police sent a representative to assure them that they won't be deported. At the end a lawyer got up to tell the illegal aliens how to avoid detection and continue to commit more crimes. (that video with be up later) I bring this up here because there was recent discussion about open carry and subsequent police interaction. You aren't breaking the law and you get attention. These people are breaking the law, literally wearing it on their shirts, and they get positive attention from police. There is something wrong with this.
Pics/video of Portland officer with illegal aliens
Sent an email with link to KPTV!
In that first clip, it amazes me that in that video clip at 2:07 the Policeman says the "Portland Police Bureau does not do immigration issues...if you're illegal, we do not seek you out, we do not deport you", followed by audience APPLAUSE. But at 2:50 when the same Policeman says "If you are here illegally...and you are committing crimes...we will bring you to justice", there is SILENCE, NO APPLAUSE.
I assume you sent this to Lars Larson already?
What fucking horseshit. Portland is becoming the biggest piece of shit City to live in....
Originally Posted By Danielisright:
I don't normally link to my blog from here but I went to an illegal alien conference last night and Portland Police sent a representative to assure them that they won't be deported. At the end a lawyer got up to tell the illegal aliens how to avoid detection and continue to commit more crimes. (that video with be up later) I bring this up here because there was recent discussion about open carry and subsequent police interaction. You aren't breaking the law and you get attention. These people are breaking the law, literally wearing it on their shirts, and they get positive attention from police. There is something wrong with this.
Pics/video of Portland officer with illegal aliens
Good on you for doing that. Now we just need enough people to raise a stink about it so something can be done. Especially to get those in office at this rally out.
FYI, the bars on the collar indicate a lieutenant, not officer. It's a very minor point I know, but this represents the command staff of the bureau. Regarding immigration status, I am not legally allowed to enforce immigration issues. The only time immigration status comes into play is when someone is arrested an ICE hold may be placed on them.
The impression is we don't care or even encourage certain activities. This isn't the case. I do what I can legally do and that's it. Do I like it? No. Do I think the system is broken? Yes.
Remember this is Portland, where the mayor is the defacto police chief. Look at the policies of city hall, because that's where it starts.
Originally Posted By erik996:
FYI, the bars on the collar indicate a lieutenant, not officer. It's a very minor point I know, but this represents the command staff of the bureau. Regarding immigration status, I am not legally allowed to enforce immigration issues. The only time immigration status comes into play is when someone is arrested an ICE hold may be placed on them.
The impression is we don't care or even encourage certain activities. This isn't the case. I do what I can legally do and that's it. Do I like it? No. Do I think the system is broken? Yes.
Remember this is Portland, where the mayor is the defacto police chief. Look at the policies of city hall, because that's where it starts.
181.850 Enforcement of federal immigration laws. (1) No law enforcement agency of the State of Oregon or of any political subdivision of the state shall use agency moneys, equipment or personnel for the purpose of detecting or apprehending persons
whose only violation of law is that they are persons of foreign citizenship present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws.
(2) Notwithstanding subsection (1) of this section, a law enforcement agency may exchange information with the United States Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the United States Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services and the United States Bureau of Customs and Border Protection in order to:
(a) Verify the immigration status of a person if the person is arrested for any criminal offense; or
(b) Request criminal investigation information with reference to persons named in records of the United States Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the United States Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services or the United States Bureau of Customs and Border Protection.
(3) Notwithstanding subsection (1) of this section, a law enforcement agency may arrest any person who:
(a) Is charged by the United States with a criminal violation of federal immigration laws under Title II of the Immigration and Nationality Act or 18 U.S.C. 1015, 1422 to 1429 or 1505; and
(b) Is subject to arrest for the crime pursuant to a warrant of arrest issued by a federal magistrate.
(4) For purposes of subsection (1) of this section, the Bureau of Labor and Industries is not a law enforcement agency.
(5) As used in this section, “warrant of arrest” has the meaning given that term in ORS 131.005. [1987 c.467 §1; 2003 c.571 §1]
This says that as soon as an illegal alien works illegally (the only way they can work), drives illegally, etc you can inquire about their immigration status. I get tired of
law enforcement the command structure hiding behind this statute. Any "law abiding" illegal alien is either getting welfare illegally or working illegally. They can't survive otherwise. This means that you can arrest them.
NOTE: More videos can be found on
my blogThat's all well and good, but I have a "rule book" I must follow. This book explicitly says I must notify ICE if I arrest a person for a felony crime or drug offense and I think they entered the US illegally. Blame the politicians and/or police command staff. I think this country would be better off if we arrested and deported illegals and withheld foreign aid to the countries of origin of these people.
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Serious question - Is the "rule book" creating legal orders? Has it ever been challenged in court?
Originally Posted By Bassman2:
Serious question - Is the "rule book" creating legal orders? Has it ever been challenged in court?
It's my
Manual of Policy and Procedure. Violating it is cause for discipline, up to and including termination. It's quite thick and covers everything from what our "goals" are, our training program, how we tow cars, use of deadly force, how to use the radio, etc... It's 643 pages long, and challenging how/what we do about someone with questionable immigration status isn't something I'm going to throw my career away over. There may be some rules I don't like or agree with, but this particular one isn't a litmus test for me.
Originally Posted By erik996:
Originally Posted By Bassman2:
Serious question - Is the "rule book" creating legal orders? Has it ever been challenged in court?
It's my
Manual of Policy and Procedure. Violating it is cause for discipline, up to and including termination. It's quite thick and covers everything from what our "goals" are, our training program, how we tow cars, use of deadly force, how to use the radio, etc... It's 643 pages long, and challenging how/what we do about someone with questionable immigration status
isn't something I'm going to throw my career away over. There may be some rules I don't like or agree with, but this particular one isn't a litmus test for me.
It's this repeated type of mindset
("...isn't something I'm going to throw my career away over.) that's going to put this country under. It's right up there with "I'm just doing my job" (like we heard during Katrina when legal firearms were confiscated from law abiding citizens). In other words, it's basically saying "I don't care what is right or just, I just care about my own ass. Even if it means not upholding the law and/or violating your constitutional rights or worse".
Originally Posted By ZippyGaloo:
Originally Posted By erik996:
Originally Posted By Bassman2:
Serious question - Is the "rule book" creating legal orders? Has it ever been challenged in court?
It's my
Manual of Policy and Procedure. Violating it is cause for discipline, up to and including termination. It's quite thick and covers everything from what our "goals" are, our training program, how we tow cars, use of deadly force, how to use the radio, etc... It's 643 pages long, and challenging how/what we do about someone with questionable immigration status
isn't something I'm going to throw my career away over. There may be some rules I don't like or agree with, but this particular one isn't a litmus test for me.
It's this repeated type of mindset
("...isn't something I'm going to throw my career away over.) that's going to put this country under. It's right up there with "I'm just doing my job" (like we heard during Katrina when legals firearms were confiscated from law abiding citizens). In other words, it's basically saying "I don't care what is right or just, I just care about my own ass. Even if it means not upholding the law and/or violating your constitutional rights or worse".
Not even close to the same situation, but nice try. You may not agree, but there is a big difference between actively following obviously illegal, immoral and unconstitutional orders (like breaking down doors without a warrant to seize guns) and not questioning someone about their immigration status if they haven't committed another crime. You can shove your slippery slope where the sun don't shine. It's like equating murder to driving 5mph over the limit. Both are "against the law" but that's about it.
Originally Posted By Danielisright:
This says that as soon as an illegal alien works illegally (the only way they can work), drives illegally, etc you can inquire about their immigration status. I get tired of law enforcement the command structure hiding behind this statute. Any "law abiding" illegal alien is either getting welfare illegally or working illegally. They can't survive otherwise. This means that you can arrest them.
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I don't agree. It says I can arrest them if there is a warrant from a federal magistrate. It also says I can "exchange" information if I arrest someone for something other than immigration status and I think they are illegal. That's precisely what my agency directives say.
ETA: we don't arrest for working illegally, and driving "illegally" is almost never something we can arrest for. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean I can arrest for it. Illegal means "against the law" which could be a violation (non-criminal) or an actual criminal (misdemeanor or felony) charge which I can arrest for.
Originally Posted By erik996:
Originally Posted By Danielisright:
This says that as soon as an illegal alien works illegally (the only way they can work), drives illegally, etc you can inquire about their immigration status. I get tired of law enforcement the command structure hiding behind this statute. Any "law abiding" illegal alien is either getting welfare illegally or working illegally. They can't survive otherwise. This means that you can arrest them.
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I don't agree. It says I can arrest them if there is a warrant from a federal magistrate. It also says I can "exchange" information if I arrest someone for something other than immigration status and I think they are illegal. That's precisely what my agency directives say.
ETA: we don't arrest for working illegally, and driving "illegally" is almost never something we can arrest for. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean I can arrest for it. Illegal means "against the law" which could be a violation (non-criminal) or an actual criminal (misdemeanor or felony) charge which I can arrest for.
How is an "illegal alien" also "law abiding?" This defies the definition of "illegal."
Webster's definition of illegal
Lots of armchair quarterbacking here.
The PPB is just like any other law enforcement agency: if you're an officer, you do as you are directed. It's not an organization that tolerates, let alone encourages, maverick behavior.
What do you expect our friend here to do, exactly? Pull any Mexican-looking person over, to see if they have a valid Oregon license? Hang out at the checkout line at WinCo to see if the brown-skinned guy using his Oregon Trail card is here legally? What standard of probable cause or reasonable suspicion can you articulate for this officer to use when deciding whether or how to make contact with someone strictly to determine whether they are in the country legally?
It's really easy to tell someone else what they should do in any given situation. Instead of doing that, I'd suggest walking a mile in his shoes.
Originally Posted By Dalatowski:
What fucking horseshit. Portland is becoming the biggest piece of shit City to live in....
You can thank the mayor, that is if you can find him in the group of preteen boys.
