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SpankD  [Member]
8/16/2009 7:21:57 AM EST
Do they pat down or have metal detectors and do they disallow carry inside. I really don't want
to go down to todays game without packing baby.
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Adam5  [Member]
8/16/2009 7:33:51 AM EST
I don't know, but I do know that I would be hesitant to talk on a public forum about carrying somewhere that's illegal.
SpankD  [Member]
8/16/2009 7:35:30 AM EST
I actually don't know if it is or isn't illegal. And I'm not concerned about the gestapo
coming to get me either.
matthew  [Member]
8/16/2009 7:37:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By SpankD:
I actually don't know if it is or isn't illegal. And I'm not concerned about the gestapo
coming to get me either.


Assuming you are not exempt from 16-11-127, now you do.

O.C.G.A. § 16-11-127
Carrying deadly weapons to or at public gatherings; affirmative defenses


(a) Except as provided in Code Section 16-11-127.1, a person shall be guilty of a misdemeanor when he or she carries to or while at a public gathering any explosive compound, firearm, or knife designed for the purpose of offense and defense.

(b) For the purpose of this Code section, "public gathering" shall include, but shall not be limited to, athletic or sporting events, churches or church functions, political rallies or functions, publicly owned or operated buildings, or establishments at which alcoholic beverages are sold for consumption on the premises and which derive less than 50 percent of their total annual gross food and beverage sales from the sale of prepared meals or food. Nothing in this Code section shall otherwise prohibit the carrying of a firearm in any other public place by a person licensed or permitted to carry such firearm by this part.

(c) (1) This Code section shall not apply to competitors participating in organized sport shooting events.

(2) Law enforcement officers, peace officers retired from state, local, or federal law enforcement agencies, judges, magistrates, constables, solicitors-general, and district attorneys may carry pistols in publicly owned or operated buildings; provided, however, that a courthouse security plan adopted in accordance with paragraph (10) of subsection (a) of Code Section 15-16-10 may prohibit the carrying of a pistol.

(d) It shall be an affirmative defense to a violation of this Code section if a person notifies a law enforcement officer or other person employed to provide security for a public gathering of the presence of such item as soon as possible after learning of its presence and surrenders or secures such item as directed by such law enforcement officer or other person employed to provide security for such public gathering.

(e) A person licensed or permitted to carry a firearm by this part shall be permitted to carry such firearm, subject to the limitations of this part, in all parks, historic sites, and recreational areas, including all publicly owned buildings located in such parks, historic sites, and recreational areas and in wildlife management areas, notwithstanding Code Section 12-3-10, in wildlife management areas notwithstanding Code Section 27-3-1.1 and 27-3-6, and in public transportation notwithstanding Code Sections 16-12-122 through 16-12-127; provided, however, that a person shall not carry a firearm into a place prohibited by federal law.

(f) A person licensed or permitted to carry a firearm by this part shall not consume alcoholic beverages in a restaurant or other eating establishment while carrying a firearm. Any person violating this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.



Fro1911Nut  [Team Member]
8/16/2009 7:38:04 AM EST
Last time I was there a few years ago, they will look u over real good..I had on cargo shorts and had to empty out every pocket....they do not allow any weapons in
Adam5  [Member]
8/16/2009 7:41:10 AM EST
O.C.G.A. § 16-11-127
Carrying deadly weapons to or at public gatherings; affirmative defenses

(a) Except as provided in Code Section 16-11-127.1, a person shall be guilty of a misdemeanor when he or she carries to or while at a public gathering any explosive compound, firearm, or knife designed for the purpose of offense and defense.

(b) For the purpose of this Code section, "public gathering" shall include, but shall not be limited to, athletic or sporting events, churches or church functions, political rallies or functions, publicly owned or operated buildings, or establishments at which alcoholic beverages are sold for consumption on the premises and which derive less than 50 percent of their total annual gross food and beverage sales from the sale of prepared meals or food. Nothing in this Code section shall otherwise prohibit the carrying of a firearm in any other public place by a person licensed or permitted to carry such firearm by this part.

perry73779  [Team Member]
8/16/2009 7:56:23 AM EST
If you are exempt, they havent been doing a great job searching peoples body. They make guys lift their hats, and search all bags, but they didnt even check my pockets last few times.
SpankD  [Member]
8/16/2009 8:04:40 AM EST
Well I guess that answers that. No exemption no packy packy. Gonna go out and see
about welding a lockbox into my trunk. I wonder if I could get a steel liner fabricated for
my center console with a high grade lock on it for future sakes.
On a side note get to go see the Braves game today w00t!
kudzu630  [Member]
8/16/2009 9:47:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By SpankD:
I actually don't know if it is or isn't illegal. And I'm not concerned about the gestapo
coming to get me either.


Gestapo? Wow buddy you need a serious azimuth check. First off it is illegal to carry into public gatherings (as someone pointed out) and to do so, even with a CCL would put you in a bad spot. I'm not sure why you think you need a weapon at a baseball game but so be it.

Back to Gestapo remark. I take it you don't like police officers? Because that's who you're referring to there and while you may consider yourself a law-abiding citizen (not if you follow through with this plan) you should respect the law and the officers that enforce it.
perry73779  [Team Member]
8/17/2009 1:56:12 AM EST
Originally Posted By kudzu630:
Originally Posted By SpankD:
I actually don't know if it is or isn't illegal. And I'm not concerned about the gestapo
coming to get me either.


Gestapo? Wow buddy you need a serious azimuth check. First off it is illegal to carry into public gatherings (as someone pointed out) and to do so, even with a CCL would put you in a bad spot. I'm not sure why you think you need a weapon at a baseball game but so be it.

Back to Gestapo remark. I take it you don't like police officers? Because that's who you're referring to there and while you may consider yourself a law-abiding citizen (not if you follow through with this plan) you should respect the law and the officers that enforce it.


Cause its in downtown ATLANTA??????? I dont agree with breaking the law, but I sure is hell would be carrying there if I could.
birdbarian  [Member]
8/17/2009 6:29:57 AM EST
Go see the G Braves instead. Better location, only $3 to park, every seat is a good one.
DaveS  [Team Member]
8/17/2009 7:01:56 AM EST
Originally Posted By kudzu630:
Originally Posted By SpankD:
I actually don't know if it is or isn't illegal. And I'm not concerned about the gestapo
coming to get me either.


Gestapo? Wow buddy you need a serious azimuth check. First off it is illegal to carry into public gatherings (as someone pointed out) and to do so, even with a CCL would put you in a bad spot. I'm not sure why you think you need a weapon at a baseball game but so be it.

Back to Gestapo remark. I take it you don't like police officers? Because that's who you're referring to there and while you may consider yourself a law-abiding citizen (not if you follow through with this plan) you should respect the law and the officers that enforce it.


Chill Out... in the heat, over there.

The LAW does not trust this citizen. The LAW has said this citizen cannot go to this gathering with a firearm or knife... because this citizen cannot be trusted.

BUT, the LAWmakers can carry to this gathering because they are trusted. Hell, they write the LAW. They even get to walk their children into school while carrying a firearm or knife... because they write the LAW and therefore are trustworthy.

Some animals are more equal than others.

Some Laws are not to be followed. Some men need killin'.

Now, again, chill out. But do come home in one piece.

7mm-08  [Member]
8/17/2009 7:11:23 AM EST
Just wanted to add...A few years ago I toted my G22 in the game. ooops my bad.

I had a bag w/ munchies & drinks for my 10yo son & his friend. The G22 was in an inside pocket in the bag...I had to open the bag to show its contents...thanks to a black lined bag & a well placed thumb I keep the G22 hidden.

Its not something I would do again.

7mm
jcoffman55  [Team Member]
8/17/2009 9:13:18 AM EST
I've got news for you, they don't let off duty police officers carry in there either. They will provide a lock box area for you but no carry. Park in the lot across the street and leave your handgun in your vehicle. There's so many officers around right before and after the game that you'll be fine until you get to your car. But from your comments it sounds like you're more interested in stirring the pot than protecting yourself anyway so go on do what you want to. Another thing you don't realize is that Turner field is PRIVATE PROPERTY. It is owned by a company and that company does not want you to carry on their property. If you don't like this than don't go and give them money. It seems pretty simple to me.
SpankD  [Member]
8/17/2009 3:26:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By kudzu630:
Originally Posted By SpankD:
I actually don't know if it is or isn't illegal. And I'm not concerned about the gestapo
coming to get me either.


Gestapo? Wow buddy you need a serious azimuth check. First off it is illegal to carry into public gatherings (as someone pointed out) and to do so, even with a CCL would put you in a bad spot. I'm not sure why you think you need a weapon at a baseball game but so be it.

Back to Gestapo remark. I take it you don't like police officers? Because that's who you're referring to there and while you may consider yourself a law-abiding citizen (not if you follow through with this plan) you should respect the law and the officers that enforce it.


Hey first off, implying that a legitimate question asked could get me arrested. Ya thats some facist nazi shit and has nothing to do with liking or not liking cops. Perhaps a good reading and comprehension course for you. I don't know of any of the cops I know who think of themselves as the gestapo and would probably be offended that you lumped them in with them.

And in case you didnt know what the Gestapo was because it's apparent you don't
Gestapo (contraction of Geheime Staatspolizei: "Secret State Police") was the official secret police of Nazi Germany. Under the overall administration of the Schutzstaffel (SS), it was administered by the Reichssicherheitshauptamt (RSHA) ("Reich Main Security Office") and was considered a sister organization of the Sicherheitsdienst (SD) ("security service") and also a suboffice of the Sicherheitspolizei (SIPO) ("security police").
The-Bald-Monk  [Team Member]
8/17/2009 4:32:39 PM EST
Originally Posted By kudzu630:
Originally Posted By SpankD:
I actually don't know if it is or isn't illegal. And I'm not concerned about the gestapo
coming to get me either.


Gestapo? Wow buddy you need a serious azimuth check. First off it is illegal to carry into public gatherings (as someone pointed out) and to do so, even with a CCL would put you in a bad spot. I'm not sure why you think you need a weapon at a baseball game but so be it.

Back to Gestapo remark. I take it you don't like police officers? Because that's who you're referring to there and while you may consider yourself a law-abiding citizen (not if you follow through with this plan) you should respect the law and the officers that enforce it.


WTH?

It was once illegal for black people to ride in the front of the bus.
Thank goodness that a little old black lady named Rosa Parks decided to ignore that law and fight for her rights.

The GA public gathering clause is a Jim Crow era law that was written to deprive blacks of their constitutional rights.
Today that law and how it is enforced restricts the rights of most GA residents.

I consider it a proper act of civil disobedience for GA citizen to carry when and where they wish.
My rights and the proper exercise there of take precedent over some BS law written by some backwoods racist cracker born in the 1800's

Or put in Marine speak....Fuck "respecting" the bullshit public gathering law. The safety of my family and my self come first.

Monk





gajeep94yj  [Team Member]
8/17/2009 4:36:08 PM EST
Yea but.......




....... What do you really think about it? I am not sure I completly understood you.

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jcoffman55  [Team Member]
8/17/2009 5:21:26 PM EST
Regardless of the "public gathering" clause, Turner Field is private property owned by a company that wants you to spend money there. The only way to "properly" affect them is with your money. The same way you would a restaurant that has a "no firearms allowed" sigh outside. As much as I think their decision is stupid, I still respect their right as the property owner. If someone wanted to come to my house with a BHO shirt on I'd kick their ass out and I'd expect most all of you on this sight to be on my side of that issue. What I'm saying is that if you disagree that strongly with their decision to hire security to search you for weapons, rather than knowingly break a law or disrespect property owner rights, just don't spend money with them and then bug the shit out of your elected officials. Getting them to reform the carry law is very doable on the state level I think.
kudzu630  [Member]
8/17/2009 8:14:17 PM EST
Your right my reading comprehension needs to be fixed... you mention a the Gestapo from stopping you from bringing in a firearm into a place illegally. I'm not saying your question was not valid, I'm saying you pretty much calling cops and security personnel the equivilant of the SS is pretty damn jaded and bad. Who exactly do you think was goign to stop you from bringing a weapon, the ticket guy? Come on and get real and be intellectually honest.
SpankD  [Member]
8/18/2009 12:11:13 AM EST
No I was kinda thinking the 6'2 security guard with a gun on his side might stop me.
I think I could take the ticket lady with a well placed uppercut.
kudzu630  [Member]
8/18/2009 12:31:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By SpankD:
No I was kinda thinking the 6'2 security guard with a gun on his side might stop me.
I think I could take the ticket lady with a well placed uppercut.


And the security guard would be in the right for guarding the private property he's on. But I'd still pay cash money to see you uppercut the old lady... they keep me from bringing my flask.

The-Bald-Monk  [Team Member]
8/18/2009 3:36:30 AM EST
Originally Posted By jcoffman55:
Regardless of the "public gathering" clause, Turner Field is private property owned by a company that wants you to spend money there. The only way to "properly" affect them is with your money. The same way you would a restaurant that has a "no firearms allowed" sigh outside. As much as I think their decision is stupid, I still respect their right as the property owner. If someone wanted to come to my house with a BHO shirt on I'd kick their ass out and I'd expect most all of you on this sight to be on my side of that issue. What I'm saying is that if you disagree that strongly with their decision to hire security to search you for weapons, rather than knowingly break a law or disrespect property owner rights, just don't spend money with them and then bug the shit out of your elected officials. Getting them to reform the carry law is very doable on the state level I think.


Not allowing GFL holders to carry is blatant discrimination.

There is big difference between what an individual citizen does at his private residence and the actions taken by a company at an event open to the public.

IMO the no CCW policy of Turner Field or some Taco Mac’s is the 21st century equivalent of Lester Maddox standing in the doorway of his Pickrick Cafeteria wielding his axe handle to keep blacks from his restaurant.

Why not ask people, as they enter the gates, if they plan to drink? Those answering yes, must surrender their car keys to security. Upon leaving the gates, fans that drank must take and pass a breathalyzer before security returns their keys.

Lester Maddox is dead and gone so should the public gathering clause and discrimination against gun owners.



Monk


GAcop  [Member]
8/18/2009 4:38:27 AM EST
Originally Posted By jcoffman55:
I've got news for you, they don't let off duty police officers carry in there either. They will provide a lock box area for you but no carry. Park in the lot across the street and leave your handgun in your vehicle. There's so many officers around right before and after the game that you'll be fine until you get to your car. But from your comments it sounds like you're more interested in stirring the pot than protecting yourself anyway so go on do what you want to. Another thing you don't realize is that Turner field is PRIVATE PROPERTY. It is owned by a company and that company does not want you to carry on their property. If you don't like this than don't go and give them money. It seems pretty simple to me.


That's news to me. I've always shown them my id and badge and they don't say a word.

Malum-Prohibitum  [Member]
8/18/2009 7:16:32 AM EST
I always carried to baseball games when I was a police officer. I always carried on MARTA, even though it was a felony for others. Now it is legal for me to carry on MARTA, even though I am no longer a police officer. It is still illegal to carry to the baseball game.

What?

Was I good, but now I am evil and will kill people at the baseball game?

Was I good, and then evil and would kill people on MARTA, but now I am good again and will not kill people at MARTA?

Oh, I know I have committed a great sin, to think such things, but I cannot stop myself from thinking why can I not carry at a baseball game? I know it is a great sin to think such things because this is the LAW, and the law is there for our good, right? The law defines what is evil and a sin against you, my brothers. Why can I not stop thinking such sinful thoughts? I know that before I was good, but now I am evil, but I do not understand why.

There is some nebulous concept there that I fail to comprehend. It is a notion drifting in my evil thoughts.

I must content myself with knowing I am evil and not questioning the wisdom of my brothers in passing such a law.
AR-Joe  [Team Member]
8/18/2009 10:27:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By SpankD:
I actually don't know if it is or isn't illegal. And I'm not concerned about the gestapo
coming to get me either.


I read the gestapo comment to mean he isn't worried about some secret internet snooping police force coming to lock him up for his online posts, not actual cops at Turner Field. He is just asking about concealed carry at the game.
jcoffman55  [Team Member]
8/18/2009 7:16:53 PM EST
The last time I tried it they offered me a lock box or I had to go back and put it in my vehicle. I am not an Atlanta or Fulton Co PD I don't know if that makes a difference, or perhaps it was just the individual I was dealing with. Monk, your points are well taken, however the example you cited was based on race and nothing else. What if the rule was that the company did not want you to bring in an ice chest or some other object? I do not agree with the policy, but I don't pretend that their decision is criminal just because it has to do with firearms instead of widgets or whatever. It's their park, they can make whatever rule they want to. I'll just go somewhere else to get entertainment. I happen to be a Braves fan so I've gotten to learn to enjoy the game on 640 am. I do miss Skip though. Personally I'm not about to bring my children to downtown without being able to carry very often. I've hit the aquarium with the kids and left my firearm in the car, but I don't make a habit of it. Not trying to argue, I just feel that property rights are almost as important as the 2nd is, even though they both get trampled on by the government on a regular basis.
geekdude  [Member]
8/18/2009 7:32:07 PM EST
Originally Posted By jcoffman55:
The last time I tried it they offered me a lock box or I had to go back and put it in my vehicle. I am not an Atlanta or Fulton Co PD I don't know if that makes a difference, or perhaps it was just the individual I was dealing with.


Monk, your points are well taken, however the example you cited was based on race and nothing else. What if the rule was that the company did not want you to bring in an ice chest or some other object? I do not agree with the policy, but I don't pretend that their decision is criminal just because it has to do with firearms instead of widgets or whatever. It's their park, they can make whatever rule they want to. I'll just go somewhere else to get entertainment. I happen to be a Braves fan so I've gotten to learn to enjoy the game on 640 am. I do miss Skip though. Personally I'm not about to bring my children to downtown without being able to carry very often. I've hit the aquarium with the kids and left my firearm in the car, but I don't make a habit of it. Not trying to argue, I just feel that property rights are almost as important as the 2nd is, even though they both get trampled on by the government on a regular basis.


Ice chests are not mentioned in the 2nd amendment. In other words what constitutional right do you have to an ice chest?
jcoffman55  [Team Member]
8/18/2009 8:30:52 PM EST
A private company cannot deprive you of your civil rights according to the constitution. Only an agent of the state can. You are possibly infringing on their "rights" as property owner because you would be demanding what you can and cannot do at their park regardless of their wishes. It would be like you not being able to tell someone to leave your yard sell because you did not like the fact that they brought a pet bear or something. Again I'm not agreeing with it I just think that if they decide that we are not the kind of folks they want at their park than they are not the kind of park I want to visit. Once again a private individual or company cannot violate your civil rights according to the Constitution. That is what we are talking about, right? There are federal laws preventing them from discriminating against race, age, sex, sexual orientation, religion and physical disability, but sadly not gun owners. Of course my whole argument is ignoring that "public gathering" clause on the GA firearms permit which I am trying to do my best as a voter to get changed. I'm just trying to get some folks to look at it as a property owner rights issue, and to hell with the company for the fallout from us not patronizing them.
The-Bald-Monk  [Team Member]
8/19/2009 1:38:47 PM EST
Originally Posted By jcoffman55:
SNIP....

  • [/ul]Monk, your points are well taken, however the example you cited was based on race and nothing else. What if the rule was that the company did not want you to bring in an ice chest or some other object? I do not agree with the policy, but I don't pretend that their decision is criminal just because it has to do with firearms instead of widgets or whatever. It's their park, they can make whatever rule they want to. I'll just go somewhere else to get entertainment. I happen to be a Braves fan so I've gotten to learn to enjoy the game on 640 am. I do miss Skip though. Personally I'm not about to bring my children to downtown without being able to carry very often. I've hit the aquarium with the kids and left my firearm in the car, but I don't make a habit of it. Not trying to argue, I just feel that property rights are almost as important as the 2nd is, even though they both get trampled on by the government on a regular basis.


    I miss Skip and Pete
    They were the best IMO.

    The way I see it the Turner Field is conducting an event open to the public.
    In my admittedly expansive interpretation of the Equal Protection Clause and various civil rights acts, because it's a public event the Braves can't deny me admittance because I am carrying.
    A private club with membership requirements can lawfully ban me from carrying because it is private entity.

    As for an ice chest, the Braves can make the argument that they sell water and ice and bringing a cooler costs them money.

    Monk


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