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QuanticoTactical  [Industry Partner]
6/4/2012 11:58:24 PM
And it doesn't really break my heart. Quite frankly, they are small, poorly attended and I only wanted to do them because I thought it would a break for my guys to hang out at Charleston, Myrtle Beach and Asheville.

Turns out Mike Kent Shows didn't like us cancelling our reservations for the Columbia, SC show with a week's notice.

If you want selection of high-quality goods at a decent prices, please see us at:

SC: SCACA Shows (Greenville and Columbia)

NC: Dixie and CE Shows (We will soon be doing the Hickory and Winston-Salem Shows)






UrbancommandoX  [Member]
6/5/2012 3:57:53 AM
It sucks that bs politics keep you from going. They'll probably replace you with home.made jewelry or beef jerky, bs.
Aberdrew13  [Team Member]
6/5/2012 9:10:01 AM
I'm sure you guys hear this a lot, but if you need help at the Hickory or Charlotte Shows, I'd be willing to come help.

I used to set up at gun shows with my Dad growing up (about 5-6 through college), so I've got some experience at watching merchandise and dealing with the public
DOGolden  [Member]
6/5/2012 9:37:09 AM
And it doesn't really break my heart. Quite frankly, they are small, poorly attended and I only wanted to do them because I thought it would a break for my guys to hang out at Charleston, Myrtle Beach and Asheville.

Turns out Mike Kent Shows didn't like us cancelling our reservations for the Columbia, SC show with a week's notice.

If you want selection of high-quality goods at a decent prices, please see us at:

SC: SCACA Shows (Greenville and Columbia)

NC: Dixie and CE Shows (We will soon be doing the Hickory and Winston-Salem Shows)


That promoter banned us from doing his shows a couple of months ago as well. He showed up at the Gunrunners Columbia show and went around to all the FFL's and threatened us all with being banned from his shows if we continued to support Gunrunners. And he ended the conversation with: "Nothing personal - just business." Man what a relief! Now I don't have to worry about finding time to spend with my wife OR go hunting this year...

However I didn't notice if he banned the beef jerky & handbag vendors that also do his shows?
Byrd-Shooter  [Team Member]
6/5/2012 9:53:55 AM
I enjoy seeing you guys ever SCACA I visit, thanks for the quality inventory and prices as always
Slufstuff  [Team Member]
6/5/2012 10:48:36 AM
Originally Posted By QuanticoTactical:
And it doesn't really break my heart. Quite frankly, they are small, poorly attended and I only wanted to do them because I thought it would a break for my guys to hang out at Charleston, Myrtle Beach and Asheville.

Turns out Mike Kent Shows didn't like us cancelling our reservations for the Columbia, SC show with a week's notice.

If you want selection of high-quality goods at a decent prices, please see us at:

SC: SCACA Shows (Greenville and Columbia)

NC: Dixie and CE Shows (We will soon be doing the Hickory and Winston-Salem Shows)



I have never had any problems with Mike. I set up at his Columbia show and the SCACA Columbia show. Without knowing the whole story, I will not comment on why he would ban your company. But the Columbia Fairgrounds Kent show is definitely not small or poorly attended, especially compared to the Gunrunner show at the Guard Armory.
QuanticoTactical  [Industry Partner]
6/5/2012 11:06:37 AM
I thought he was a decent guy too. When I did the Myrtle Beach show he seemed genuinely excited to have someone their who sold our type of "high end" assortment.

At the end of the day it is his business and I understand he can run it the way he wants. However, I think it is important to let people know when promoters "kick out" or "won't let in" legitimate dealers of weapons and accessories. It is to everyone's (ours, his and most importantly, the attendees) detriment. But, as stated above, I am sure there will be lots of vendors selling non-firearms stuff and vendors selling the same stuff we do albeit at a higher price.

Maybe I should institute a "Mike Kent" coupon code for use on our Website but good only on the weekends he has shows?


Originally Posted By Slufstuff:


I have never had any problems with Mike.

QuanticoTactical  [Industry Partner]
6/5/2012 11:21:41 AM
Maybe we should sign up for the gun runners show and help them with marketing their show? I have a few $$$ I could put forth on that effort. After all, it's just business
Originally Posted By DOGolden:

That promoter banned us from doing his shows a couple of months ago as well. He showed up at the Gunrunners Columbia show and went around to all the FFL's and threatened us all with being banned from his shows if we continued to support Gunrunners. And he ended the conversation with: "Nothing personal - just business." Man what a relief! Now I don't have to worry about finding time to spend with my wife OR go hunting this year...


mike_556  [Member]
6/5/2012 11:45:27 AM
I met the boys with QT when they spoiled us with food and sales at a local campout in Anson Co. Rest assured I do look online at their site first when contemplating orders as they were selfless in providing food and swag for all of us! That was a very fun weekend..

That was nice of you to have them want to spend time at the beaches. I'm sorry that got messed up
DOGolden  [Member]
6/5/2012 12:28:17 PM
I never had any issues with MK until the weekend we got banned. Truth be told I was more upset over him burning our friendship vs the business end of it.
Soconmtneer  [Team Member]
6/5/2012 6:03:51 PM
Hope to see y'all in Hickory in a couple weeks.

Any chance of some 62gr. 5.56 in bulk?
WUFMAN  [Team Member]
6/5/2012 6:52:38 PM
Originally Posted By DOGolden:
And it doesn't really break my heart. Quite frankly, they are small, poorly attended and I only wanted to do them because I thought it would a break for my guys to hang out at Charleston, Myrtle Beach and Asheville.

Turns out Mike Kent Shows didn't like us cancelling our reservations for the Columbia, SC show with a week's notice.

If you want selection of high-quality goods at a decent prices, please see us at:

SC: SCACA Shows (Greenville and Columbia)

NC: Dixie and CE Shows (We will soon be doing the Hickory and Winston-Salem Shows)


That promoter banned us from doing his shows a couple of months ago as well. He showed up at the Gunrunners Columbia show and went around to all the FFL's and threatened us all with being banned from his shows if we continued to support Gunrunners. And he ended the conversation with: "Nothing personal - just business." Man what a relief! Now I don't have to worry about finding time to spend with my wife OR go hunting this year...

However I didn't notice if he banned the beef jerky & handbag vendors that also do his shows?


You guys should carry more jerky, beannie babies and costume jewely to make the guy happy Ya'll come on up the the Charlotte (DIXIE) and Concord shows.

Silent_Bob  [Member]
6/5/2012 10:14:53 PM
We have been doing Mike Kent's SC shows for years and have never had an issue with him or his shows. We sell an enormous amount of guns and accessories at all of his shows and will disagree that they are poorly attended. My 2 cents on the matter.........
Grog  [Member]
6/6/2012 7:48:06 AM
Once again a QuanticoTactical staying classy
MFP_4073  [Member]
6/6/2012 8:34:18 AM

So let me see if I understand this right...

He is basically asking for exclusivity?? Ie only display at HIS shows and not someone else's??

If so, that is crazy.

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mildot762  [Member]
6/6/2012 1:45:05 PM
I have worked with a couple of vendors doing Mike Kent Shows all over North Carolina and South Carolina gun Shows. What you have said is not really fair. Mike is one of the best promoters in the industry. Your feelings are just hurt because you could not bully your way into those shows like you have done with others. We have all heard you run your mouth on this website as well as others about Steve Elliot from Cand E gun shows. We have heard you complain about the South Carolina Arms Collectors Shows in Greenville and Columbia. You pitch a fit like a spoiled rotten child and I would encourage all readers of this post to contact Mike Kent directly for a copy of the e-mail exchange from Quantico and himself. It will be very eye opening. Also anyone who has ever done any gun shows knows that promoters expect a two week notice on cancelations. Not a week or a few days. You should still be liable for you tables for sticking them with empty tables.

In the past you made a habit of sticking show promoters with tables, C and E kept you from coming to shows for years because you frequently scheduled tables but did not show up to cover them leaving the promoters holding the bag. Then you in turn logged on and posted negative and untrue comments about those show promoters that you guys screwed. That’s good business, that’s why no one wants you at shows. Quite frankly you sound like a small spoiled child that needs a really good spanking.

I encourage you to go do gun runner shows. They are pathetic at best. He is a true promoter that has been in and out of business so many times you can’t count. You want to talk about flea markets then have your man.

You guys look like a bunch of idiots one more time. Hats off to mike Kent for doing the right thing with any luck the other show promoters all through the south east will do the same thing.

Everyone I know that works the shows considers it a family. No one at the shows like you guys because you bully your way around. That’s why everyone else is friends and you guys are Just like an outsider causing problems. Why don’t you just creep back to the hole you came from? Mike and his Family are outstanding people that have harbored a good show environment for customers and Family. I do show up and down the entire eastern seaboard. No one in this industry promotes as good a show as Mike Kent. If he banned you from his shows he did so for a reason just like all of those that have come before.
bonesaw5  [Team Member]
6/6/2012 3:49:55 PM
WOW, that's a heck of a first post....
QuanticoTactical  [Industry Partner]
6/6/2012 3:58:36 PM
Fair enough mildot762.

As stated, I posted this to let people on AR15.com know that a promoter "banned" us (a responsible company who offers nothing but high quality firearms and firearms accessories) from their show because, as stated, they they did not like us cancelling our tables the week prior to a show. Further, I wanted to let people know what promoter's shows we will be attending so if they choose to vote with their feet and cash, they can do so.

As to your other assertions, all I can say is they are not quite accurate. Example; we are in most of C&E's shows and I am meeting with Steve and Annette (the owners) this week while I am in Washington DC.

I will however publish the e-mail Jason sent to Mike Kent, Mike Kent's response and my e-mail to Mr Kent. Full disclosure and we'll let everyone make up their mind.

One other note. Although I am not going to call people out by name, when we started doing shows in NC, there were several vendors (and you know who you are!) who complained to both the owners of the Dixie Guns Shows and C&E that we were under-cutting their prices and "destroying the market". I very rationally met with and discussed that with the owners (or their representatives), explained our assortment and our pricing model and who, unlike others who were charging ABOVE MSRP for brands such as Magpul and Troy, that we believed in carrying a large assortment and offering a discount to our customers....In other words, offer value to the customer and give them a reason to attend gun shows vice buying online.

In short, we want to put GUNS and VALUE back in gun shows. I make no apologies for doing so and our rapid success and customer base speaks for itself.

I have to go to a conference call right now, I will post the thread between Mr Kent and myself once the conference call is over.

VA-gunnut  [Site Staff]
6/6/2012 4:06:03 PM
Just a reminder for all.

You can debate the issues, but please adhere to the CoC and this forums rule on profanity within your posts.
HowardM40  [Member]
6/6/2012 4:12:55 PM
I saw this post and I had to through my two cents into the fray as well. I to claim the pleasure of knowing Mike and Kathy Kent. They run an above board business, better than most other show promoters. In Fact they have turned Asheville into the third largest show in the State right now and could even put more vendors in the building if they had room. They are sold out every show there, even when it competes against other shows in the state.

Mikes shows are very well attended despite the lies posted here by Quantico. I carry years of sales records around with me to every show I can prove it. All you have to do is ask. Mike and his family run a classy grade an operation and the two of you that are on here griping about being banned were tossed out for a reason. I watched and listened to Mike Kent try to get DOCS to sell at the MAP pricing level like he is supposed to. He said he would but lied and that is why he was tossed. MAP or minimum Advertised Price is set by almost every manufacturer for a reason. That’s where they want there product to be sold at. DOC was given a chance and he failed to follow through with his end of the agreement so he was banned.

You guys have to remember a show promoter’s job is to sell tables. If you come in like DOCS did and make large blocks of dealers say we are not coming back, because we are following our contractual agreements and they are not and making us look a fool. A good promoter will keep the bulk of dealers happy and get rid of the one problem maker. That’s a good business model. Call it what you like. Those rules are set in place by the manufacturers not by the vendors. Honorable people abide by the rules and contracts they sign. You got thrown out because you were greedy and broke the rules. We are a nation of laws you are now paying the penalty. Whats odd is I personally heard Mike Kent at a show in Florence SC a couple months ago refer someone to DOCS gun shop for something they needed. That’s because he is an honorable and good man. You should be ashamed.

Quantico is no better. Numerous vendors at the last show in Greenville SC ran by the SCACA approached me about going to the promoter for the very same reason with Quantico. I decided not get involved with it, but I did contact Magpul Industries and spoke to Justin Beard and spoke at length with him about Quantico Tactical selling way outside the MAP price structure. He confirmed that there were no special rules for them and that magpul did not approve of them selling to the public at close to or at or below dealer pricing. I suppose you can do a huge volume when selling to public for the same price dealers pay. This should be stopped and I expect at some point it will be. Many small businesses sink tons of money into carrying expensive product lines like Magpul, Troy, Vickers, Trijicon, and so fourth and when you have what is the tactical big box equivalent of Wal-Mart selling way outside the contract price it is bad for all the businesses in the building. This is why Quantico sells P-mags at a show 5 for $60.00 but they are $14.20 each on there own website. This is where they are supposed to be. Quantico has been bad for everyone in the gun show business. They are hated by others and it is about time that one promoter did stand up and do the right thing by prohibiting them from doing any of his shows.

When you cancel with little to no notice and that’s what you done with less than a five day cancelation the other poster is right everyone requires a two week cancelation to not have a penalty. Asking for table payment up front was not that far out of spectrum especially for someone who is known to schedule tables and not show up to cover them. Then for you to contact Mike back with a list of demands like you did speaks to your credibility not his.

You two guys are to blame for this mess and what you will find as word of this spreads it will hurt you not him, he maintains the high ground. To the guys at Quantico I have never seen such poor ethos from former military personnel in all of my life. You need to spend some serious time reflecting on this issue. You are wrong!
Covertness  [Team Member]
6/6/2012 4:36:39 PM
Originally Posted By mike_556:
I met the boys with QT when they spoiled us with food and sales at a local campout in Anson Co. Rest assured I do look online at their site first when contemplating orders as they were selfless in providing food and swag for all of us! That was a very fun weekend..

That was nice of you to have them want to spend time at the beaches. I'm sorry that got messed up


This and what's a Mike Kent?
346ci  [Member]
6/6/2012 6:17:07 PM
So let me get this straight. Quantico is hated because they sell products cheaper than most??

I understand the late cancel notice.
QuanticoTactical  [Industry Partner]
6/6/2012 6:22:47 PM
Wow, people are coming out of the woodwork on this one.

First, I want to comment about the remarks about "Quantico being bad for everyone" and how "(Quantico) is hated by others". I assume you are talking about being bad for other DEALERS and being hated by other DEALERS. Further I see talk about the job of the promoter is to sell TABLES. So, where is the focus on the attendees? You know, the customers? I see no mention of the attendees or customers in the above posts. Let me be absolutely clear:

To me, the attendees, our customers are the focus. Our mission is to offer the customers a wide selection of the finest tactical gear, apparel and weapons at reasonable prices.

When we entered the NC gunshow market, most, if not all of the vendors were selling Magpul ABOVE MSRP. We thought that was ridiculous and we offered Magpul at a 10% discount from MSRP at the gun shows. That is hardly that is hardly "close to or at or below dealer pricing" as VA-gunnut alleges. I think that is a fair price for people who attend a gun show looking for a bargain, not to get ripped-off by a kabul of dealers selling above MSRP.

So,
HowardM40, I ask you, since you made the assertion:

#1. Who is being greedy - Quantico Tactical by offering attendees a reasonable discount off MSRP or dealers selling in lock-step above MSRP?

#2. What is best for the promoter, people getting tired of getting ripped off by people selling above MSRP, bitching about the high prices at gun shows ordering stuff on line instead of going to the shows or having dealers which actually compete with one another and sell a fair pricing.

A couple other things need to be addressed as well:

#1. Selection. We offer an assortment of 12 -14 Trijicons whereas almost everyone else sells knock-offs or has maybe one or two models. What is better for the promoter and attendee? Endless tables of knock offs or someone like Quantico in the mix which offers a large assortment of Trijicons.

#2. EoTechs. See the above.

#3. "Stiffing" Vendors for Tables: I have never, ever done that. There have been times where for whatever reason (sickness, scheduling error or just simple disorganization), that we have not been able to make a show. I have never - not once - balked at paying for tables if we cancel. Where does anyone think that is horrible or somehow inexcusable?

#4. MAP: Minimum advertised pricing is just that...Advertised pricing. We do not, and have never purposely broken MAP. Never have, never will.

#5. Price on P-Mags: You can get them cheaper than what
gunnut posted in our stores if you join Team Quantico Hell, we've had "Free PMag Days" in our stores. Is that somehow bad for gunshow promoters too?

#6. "You got thrown out because you were greedy and broke the rules". Really? I thought Mike Kent through us out of his shows because (choose one) A:) We cancelled four days in advance -or- B:) I "bullied" him in an e-mail. This is the first that I heard we were kicked out by being "greedy" (by offering a lower price ).

#7. Let's talk greed for a minute. I run a "real" company with "real" overhead. You see those employees at the shows? Several of them are full time. If they are full time, I pay 2/3 of their health care and I am greedy? I do NOT charge my customers above MSRP and I am the greedy one?

#8. About the accusations/assertions that I have "in turn logged on and posted negative and untrue comment about those show promoters that you guys screwed", that we "run your mouth on this website as well as other about Steve Elliot from C & E" and that we have complained about SACA. This is absolutely, positively untrue. I can unequivocally say that I have never, ever logged onto AR15.com using any other account, that I have never said anything bad about Steve at C&E or SACA. This is absolutely, untrue and anyone with evidence, I ask them to come forward. I have, twice in my life made posts about gun show promoters. This one and one in 1998 about a promoter in San Jose CA when they cancelled our reservations. (Note on this one: My company at the time - Cold War Relics was a plank holder in AR15.com and the resulting e-mails to the promoter were probably AR15.com's first "Fire Mission"; even Ed Avila sent them an e-mail as a Californian )


When I look at the assortment on our tables at gun shows, I see the finest assortment of accessories of any dealer in any market in which we participate. I am also happy that when I look at the assortment, that other than a few Blackhawk cases, 100% of it is Made in the USA, not some cheap Chinese knock-off crap.
Foremost, I am very happy for having the best customers in the world and the friends I have made along the way. I make no apologies for being able to offer them the finest quality weapons and gear and reasonable prices.

I am extraordinarily proud of what I have built with Quantico Tactical since retiring from the Marine Corps eight years. I do not hide behind anonymous handles and/or make flaming "first" posts. Rather, I am so proud of who I am, what I have accomplished and what Quantico offers, that I am not afraid to post my direct dial number and personal e-mail address



Note: Edited because I had erroneously identified VA-gunnut as the person making the accusations. Afterwards, I realized it was "HowardM40" yet another first time poster.
QuanticoTactical  [Industry Partner]
6/6/2012 6:31:17 PM
FYI - I will pull out the e-mails later (when I have time), but the truth of the matter is the Mike Kent had previously confirmed us for the last Asheville show, but he notified us three days (or whatever..I don't know the exact date) before the show "that one of his regulars wanted in" and he unilaterally cancelled our tables.

A couple points on this:

Finally, Mr Kent never asked that we pay for the tables we cancelled, which I would have gladly paid.


Originally Posted By 346ci:
I understand the late cancel notice.


HowardM40  [Member]
6/6/2012 7:00:33 PM
You guys should look at this link where you note that you were banned from C and E gun shows.

I heard Steve Elliot in Winston Salem a couple of weeks ago talking to another dealer that you were guys were bad to not show up when you had reservations. that came from the horses mouth.

And this is one post of many that I have where you (Quantico Tactical) were banned from C and E shows. You even started your own little show to try to hurt C and E.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_24/286091_.html

I found similar ones on glock talk and other sites as well.

Lie, Lie, Lie
QuanticoTactical  [Industry Partner]
6/6/2012 7:18:11 PM
You are right on the C&E issue. I had forgotten about that. It was a long time ago and in hindsight is pretty funny and definitely amateurish on my part. For the record, we did cook some brats and roll out the corporate kegerator to compete with the mighty C&E, but other than some good times, good chow and a great beer-buzz, it didn't work out too well.

I and Quantico have come a long way since then. As for Glock Talk, etc. I have no knowledge of that. Let's just concede that I did or maybe one of my guys did.

You are incorrect on the rest of your assertions and accusations. I am meeting with Steve and Annette this week in Northern VA and will ask them about your assertion at the Winston Salem show. He was probably referring to a period ~2006/7 when were were experiencing rapid growth and had a period of disorganization. Quite frankly, I realized that that time, that something had to be jettisoned, so we stopped doing gun show from ~2006/7 until 2010 (?) when we made our glorious return to the gun show market in North Carolina. Again, that was five years ago, and we have come a long, long way since then.

So, for post number three, do you care to address your other accusations and/or reveal which dealer you are so AR15.com can make up their own mind?





Originally Posted By HowardM40:
You guys should look at this link where you note that you were banned from C and E gun shows.

I heard Steve Elliot in Winston Salem a couple of weeks ago talking to another dealer that you were guys were bad to not show up when you had reservations. that came from the horses mouth.

And this is one post of many that I have where you (Quantico Tactical) were banned from C and E shows. You even started your own little show to try to hurt C and E.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_24/286091_.html

I found similar ones on glock talk and other sites as well.

Lie, Lie, Lie


Beefy  [Member]
6/6/2012 7:22:35 PM
Im not defending anyone here, but QT does pay to be on here and advertise and you lurked enough to find this thread and make you only two posts in it? Wow thanks for contributing to this site.

So mr dave, how does one join team QT?
QuanticoTactical  [Industry Partner]
6/6/2012 7:29:56 PM
I have reconsidered posting Mr Kent's e-mail without giving him an opportunity to state whether or not he wants me to do so (I can hear the accusations now from yet more people with 1 post "You posted that without him knowing", etc)

I am going to e-mail Mr Kent and ask him whether or not he wants me to disclose his e-mails?

- If the answer is yes, then I will post the full exchange between him and my guy and him and myself.
- If the answer is no, then I will not disclose them and I will post that fact here
- If I do not hear from him in 48 hours, then I will post it anyway (Note: He responded to my e-mail last night at ~11:30pm, so I know he checks his e-mail regularly.

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QuanticoTactical  [Industry Partner]
6/6/2012 7:33:55 PM
You know(tm), in a perfect world, you would be able to sign up for Team Quantico on our website, log on and enjoy the savings. Unfortunately, we aren't quite their yet (but will be in September when we role out our new state of the art - industry leading website.

For now, our gun show pricing is pretty close to our "Team Quantico" pricing and the coupon code in my above post gets you pretty close.

We will be giving out FREE Team Quantico shirts in the fall to everyone who buys from us at the gun shows which will make you an honorary member. Although apparently, those in SC won't be able to buy from us face-to-face.
Originally Posted By Beefy:
Im not defending anyone here, but QT does pay to be on here and advertise and you lurked enough to find this thread and make you only two posts in it? Wow thanks for contributing to this site.

So mr dave, how does one join team QT?


QuanticoTactical  [Industry Partner]
6/6/2012 7:37:17 PM
I added a poll.

Before anyone complains about the "unfairness" of the poll, consider the following:

You know(tm), life is too short to not have fun with this.





Beefy  [Member]
6/6/2012 8:06:52 PM
Fair enough to me! Now that im gainfully employed again hopefully i can make the next raleigh show and pick up some more pmags, maybe some ammo


Originally Posted By QuanticoTactical:
You know(tm), in a perfect world, you would be able to sign up for Team Quantico on our website, log on and enjoy the savings. Unfortunately, we aren't quite their yet (but will be in September when we role out our new state of the art - industry leading website.

For now, our gun show pricing is pretty close to our "Team Quantico" pricing and the coupon code in my above post gets you pretty close.

We will be giving out FREE Team Quantico shirts in the fall to everyone who buys from us at the gun shows which will make you an honorary member. Although apparently, those in SC won't be able to buy from us face-to-face.
Originally Posted By Beefy:
Im not defending anyone here, but QT does pay to be on here and advertise and you lurked enough to find this thread and make you only two posts in it? Wow thanks for contributing to this site.

So mr dave, how does one join team QT?




Zhukov  [Site Staff]
6/6/2012 8:36:43 PM

Originally Posted By HowardM40:
<snip>

You seem "familiar".
HowardM40  [Member]
6/6/2012 8:59:47 PM
My Name Is Mike Howard and I reside in Statesville North Carolina. I might know you, I travel with work full time in fact I am on the road right now.

Zardoz  [Member]
6/6/2012 9:15:11 PM
Just happened across this thread....

Last gun show I went to, with the exception of QT, Magpul products were priced well over what you would expect to pay if you purchased via internet, and some were considerably higher than Magpul's own pricing ($40 for an AFG? ). I can see why the other vendors might be mad at QT's not playing ball with them by preferring to offer customers what gun shows were once known for...GOOD DEALS.

Sorry, but the people whining about QT's understanding of how the free market works...FAIL.


edited for clarity
MadMardigan  [Team Member]
6/6/2012 9:21:38 PM

Originally Posted By Zhukov:

Originally Posted By HowardM40:
<snip>

You seem "familiar".

Come on Zhukov, you should have your own line.

Like, All of your screen names are belong to us.
VA-gunnut  [Site Staff]
6/6/2012 9:21:58 PM

Originally Posted By QuanticoTactical:


Note: Edited because I had erroneously identified VA-gunnut as the person making the accusations. Afterwards, I realized it was "HowardM40" yet another first time poster.

I'm glad I read all the way through before responding.
VA-gunnut  [Site Staff]
6/6/2012 9:23:21 PM

Originally Posted By HowardM40:
My Name Is Mike Howard and I reside in Statesville North Carolina. I might know you, I travel with work full time in fact I am on the road right now.


He referencing the fact that you match up to another member posting in this thread, and at least one trying to join this site.

Do you have any ties to any other members posting in this thread?

Do you have any ties to the Mike Kent?
QuanticoTactical  [Industry Partner]
6/6/2012 9:29:44 PM
On the way home tonight, one of my team members texted me and asked when we started being "bullies". Nothing could be further from the truth.

In fact, we generally approach a promoter and given them a business proposition which benefits them (the promoter), the customer (the attendees) and us (Quantico Tactical).

Here is an example:

The first time we did the Metrolina Show in Charlotte, the promoter (a really, really nice lady who's name escapes me at the moment) approached me and said she had several dealers who complained that we were selling our stuff at cost and ruining their business. (Note: She was "man" enough to come and ask about it vice jumping to conclusions and making incorrect assumptions).

I walked her around, showed her our assortment, explained how our assortment of high quality/no junk differentiated use from others at the show and benefited her and her customers.

Then, we discussed pricing. I showed her MSRP on items (Such as Troy and Magpul). We then walked around and I showed her that her "established" dealers were charging ABOVE MSRP and screwing her customers, which led to less attendance and was bad for both her and her show.

I then explained to her that in general, we charge 10% off MSRP at shows. I then pulled the same items in our point of sale system and disclosed our cost on them. She saw that we were not selling at or near cost, that we were making a reasonable (but not obscene) profit and more, importantly, she realized that we were offering value to her customers.

She then commented "I read the boards and see people constantly posting about getting ripped off at the shows", "prices being too high", "people just selling junk", etc. She then added "You are correct and you are fixing that".

So there is no bullying. Hell, in spite of being a popular vendor, we are still in the back building...lol.

BUT, she was smart and savvy enough to recognize that our high quality assortment and reasonable prices benefited the her, the attendees and, other than the "rip them off" dealers, other REPUTABLE dealers.

That being said, if you go back and re-read the posts of the "first posters", you will see that they are in fact wanting to return to the days of "price fixing", charging about MSRP and other rip-off tactics. Hell, until they mentioned it, I had never even considered it to be THE reason we were banned from Mr Kent's shows. I had naively believed it was because I had cancelled our tables but now I believe the Freudian slips by the "first posters" are more close to the truth.
Covertness  [Team Member]
6/6/2012 9:30:30 PM
Dave, you forgot to mention all the other vendors selling questionable products. P-Mags out of their packaging from MagPul for but one example.

HowardM40  [Member]
6/6/2012 9:35:59 PM
The bigger issue here is magpul MAP is 5% off MSRP. They are advertising right here 10% off or better. The rest of us are bound by our contracts and one of my employers was contacted directly by magpul for offering 10% off MSRP. They were told not to let it happen again. According to legal a price tag is advertising and a sign at the show is certainly a violation of MAP.

Its not to much to ask that they play by the rules. Like everyone else has to and it should not matter that they pay here, you would think this board would be more interested in the truth. I have already exposed one lie here that they made about posts on shows.

The walmart mentality is exactly what is wrong with this Country. The very reason we have no manufacturing left to speak of. Cheaper is not always better, in fact cheaper is part of the problem. My Employer lives and breaths American made 100% he does not do any imports but sells everything at MAP as required by most American manufacturers.

Quantico should be held to the same standard just like Randys Guns, Kopter Supply, Western Carolina Tactical, PF Custom Guns, Upstate Arrmory grop, JRS Gun sales, J and C sales, and so on and on and on. All the other show dealers follow the rules of the contract. In my 20 years of working shows I have seen very few dealers sell at or over MSRP. But a contract is still binding. A good note for Quantico is that beware the tech guys. Once you post something we can always pull it back up no matter what you do to it, even if its deleted. So you better watch the fibbing. It makes you look like an idiot.
MadMardigan  [Team Member]
6/6/2012 9:38:06 PM
The last show I went to, I went to meet up with a couple other arfcommers.

I bought a star light case that was just cheaper then what it would have cost me to have it shipped to me.

Also some need jerky

But the ridiculous pricing has kept me away, I order everything online, and shop around.

QT gets my first look for everything after meeting David and others at our small get together shoot.


QuanticoTactical  [Industry Partner]
6/6/2012 9:38:18 PM
Oh, the stories I could (but won't) tell There is a 99% chance that the "P-Mags out of packaging" are stolen government property and the "reputable" dealers selling them removed the outer packaging to hide the Contract # labels placed on the outer packaging.

In fact, one of the reasons we offer our "Five For" P-Mag pricing is to compete with the stolen government P-Mags on the market.

Originally Posted By Covertness:
Dave, you forgot to mention all the other vendors selling questionable products. P-Mags out of their packaging from MagPul for but one example.



QuanticoTactical  [Industry Partner]
6/6/2012 9:49:55 PM
Wrong again. See inline comments:

We have NEVER disclosed our in-store or gunshow pricing in a public forum. I posted in response to your challenge. Also, answer this. What is the incentive for someone to drive to a gunshow (gas $$$), wait in line, pay hard earned $$$ and see everything at or above what they can buy in the comfort of their home and have delivered by FedEx?
Originally Posted By HowardM40:
The bigger issue here is magpul MAP is 5% off MSRP. They are advertising right here 10% off or better.

You get very, very poor legal advice.
Originally Posted By HowardM40:
According to legal a price tag is advertising and a sign at the show is certainly a violation of MAP.

If your rules are charging about MSRP and ripping off your customer base, we are not interested in those rules. It is like the liberal in WI I saw on the news today crying about "The end of Democracy as WE know it". Quite frankly, I am GLAD it is the end of Democracy as THEY know it. I look forward to Democracy was WE (you, I and most other ARFCOMMERs) know it
Originally Posted By HowardM40:

Its not to much to ask that they play by the rules. Like everyone else has to and it should not matter that they pay here, you would think this board would be more interested in the truth.

Wow, you really, really missed the boat on this one. I was very, very careful to point out that 95% of what we offer at gun shows is Made in America (hell, even our next round of promo hats and our previous promo shirts are Made In America. We have several manufactures of socks and t-shirts here in NC that would be OUT OF BUSINESS if we didn't buy and resell their products. I would make more $$$ if we went overseas, but I refuse. I am the one who talked (in fact I DEMANDED..dare I say it...bullied) Blackhawk into bringing their production back to the US.

Also, unlike others who sell cheap knock off EoTechs/Trijicons/Magpul, exactly what foreign knock-offs do we sell to make your Wal-Mart analogy?
Originally Posted By HowardM40:
The walmart mentality is exactly what is wrong with this Country. The very reason we have no manufacturing left to speak of. Cheaper is not always better, in fact cheaper is part of the problem. My Employer lives and breaths American made 100% he does not do any imports but sells everything at MAP as required by most American manufacturers.


Quite frankly, although I have seen some of their signs, I could not pick out the majority of be below vendors. But, I don't know who they are, what contract you are talking about and what there standards are.
Originally Posted By HowardM40:

Quantico should be held to the same standard just like Randys Guns, Kopter Supply, Western Carolina Tactical, PF Custom Guns, Upstate Arrmory grop, JRS Gun sales, J and C sales, and so on and on and on. All the other show dealers follow the rules of the contract.


HowardM40  [Member]
6/6/2012 9:50:56 PM
Could not tell you about others posting using my name or IP address, I am in a hotel right now I also have two co workers but they are in their own rooms and racks not here with me. We did discuss this earlier today because we knew what a farce it was and we had seen it before on the post from all the way back in 2007 which I proudly posted for you even though the guy from quantico claims he never made it. Im a IT guy now so I camp on the system couldnt tell you what the others have done today.

Just trying to expose a scammer as a scammer. In the morning, I will be moving on so my IP address will change. The other two will still be here so if they post I would assume there IP address will stay the same.

I dont know how this qualifies as some implied fraud.

Thanks
Mike Howard

As far a s my affiliation with Mike Kent it is just as I layed out here, we have done his shows for going on almost 18 years. As well as C and E which did say that Quantico was terrible to reserve table and not show up. I have been to Gunrunners, R and K shows, Show masters, Matt Eastman, Dixie, and many many others.
Zardoz  [Member]
6/6/2012 9:53:16 PM
Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:

Originally Posted By HowardM40:
My Name Is Mike Howard and I reside in Statesville North Carolina. I might know you, I travel with work full time in fact I am on the road right now.


He referencing the fact that you match up to another member posting in this thread, and at least one trying to join this site.

Do you have any ties to any other members posting in this thread?

Do you have any ties to the Mike Kent?


The part in red appears to be a pretty big issue at the moment.
VA-gunnut  [Site Staff]
6/6/2012 9:54:53 PM

Originally Posted By HowardM40:
Could not tell you about others posting using my name or IP address, I am in a hotel right now I also have two co workers but they are in their own rooms and racks not here with me. We did discuss this earlier today because we knew what a farce it was and we had seen it before on the post from all the way back in 2007 which I proudly posted for you even though the guy from quantico claims he never made it. Im a IT guy now so I camp on the system couldnt tell you what the others have done today.

Just trying to expose a scammer as a scammer. In the morning, I will be moving on so my IP address will change. The other two will still be here so if they post I would assume there IP address will stay the same.

I dont know how this qualifies as some implied fraud.

Thanks
Mike Howard

As far a s my affiliation with Mike Kent it is just as I layed out here, we have done his shows for going on almost 18 years. As well as C and E which did say that Quantico was terrible to reserve table and not show up. I have been to Gunrunners, R and K shows, Show masters, Matt Eastman, Dixie, and many many others.

Thank you for the response.
HowardM40  [Member]
6/6/2012 10:00:02 PM
Any time I might even dress up like sailor moon for you.

QuanticoTactical  [Industry Partner]
6/6/2012 10:01:29 PM
No, wrong again. I claim that I forgot it (which is true). Had I remembered, I would have remembered it, laughed about it and disclosed it like I did the San Jose show.
Originally Posted By HowardM40:
even though the guy from quantico claims he never made it.

Me too! My undergraduate degree is a BBA in MIS and I have a Master's Degree in Computer Science...Both from "real" Universities, not on-line.
Originally Posted By HowardM40:
Im a IT guy now so I camp on the system couldnt tell you what the others have done today.


I am not sure you have made your case. You should come up with more material and accusations.
Originally Posted By HowardM40:
Just trying to expose a scammer as a scammer.

Mike Kent may be a hell of a guy. I don't know. Although Mike Kent hasn't yet authorized me to release our e-mail exchange, here is a snippet from the "bullying" e-mail I sent him last night:

"Quite frankly, your shows really weren’t worth our time, but I like you and your wife and thought it would increase our exposure. So, even though I figured your shows were – at best – marginally profitable, I signed up for all your upcoming Myrtle Beach, Charleston and Asheville Shows."


In regards to the above, I remember doing the same for a small, struggling promoter in VA. Her shows didn't appear to be doing well, they were marginally profitable for us, but I like her, felt a little sorry for her and gave up my weekends to do her shows.


Soconmtneer  [Team Member]
6/6/2012 10:04:50 PM
I've bought a couple things from QT at gun shows before, I believe the Hickory show and the Dixie show in Charlotte (I think) and also online.

After reading this thread I will continue to buy from them at gun shows and online.

Why, because they have the products I want and their prices are good. As a consumer this is what I look for.

Also (and this is a big plus) they are knowledgeable about the products they sale.

It's a good but simple business model, have the products gun guys want and have low prices.
WUFMAN  [Team Member]
6/6/2012 10:06:36 PM
Here to say that Dave and all of QT are stand up people. I go to a gun show and walk around and check prices on the things that I would like to purchase. Charlotte Metrolina show rings a good bell. On one side of the isle there is a dealer selling product A for $379, on the opposite side of the isle another dealer is selling product A for $250. Who do you think I'm buying from. I hear alot of dealers complaining cause nobody is buying their stuff. Well get a clue. When you mark up 1 product $129 dollars, don't bitch cause you haven't sold any. I buy most all guns from a local mom and pop store that does the gun shows. I talk with them all the time about their pricing. You know what they say....."that guy over there might sell 1 gun the whole weekend, I will sell 200 and go home with my pockets full"
QT has in my eyes brought back what guns shows should be. Competitive pricing on top notch products, not some cheap Chinese knock off that will bust and fall off the first time recoil hits it.

Dave........you are a stand up guy working with alot of hardworking people. And we appreciate your hard work. Keep up the good job. If you make the other dealers mad cause you are out selling them, well they will just have to learn not to try and screw everyone out of a few dollars. Profit is good, but I ain't crazy enough to pay SILLY prices when I know I can walk across the isle and find a better deal.
I have a hard time even listening to first post people.

See you guys next time around.
Zardoz  [Member]
6/6/2012 10:10:47 PM
Originally Posted By Soconmtneer:
I've bought a couple things from QT at gun shows before, I believe the Hickory show and the Dixie show in Charlotte (I think) and also online.

After reading this thread I will continue to buy from them at gun shows and online.

Why, because they have the products I want and their prices are good. As a consumer this is what I look for.

Also (and this is a big plus) they are knowledgeable about the products they sale.

It's a good but simple business model, have the products gun guys want and have low prices.


This. I, for one, didn't feel scammed when I saved money by buying from QT rather than other vendors at the last SCACA show in Greenville. I am sensing a lot of jealousy and butthurt on the part of would-be ripoff artists.