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 Automatic Knife in missouri?
Sparky124  [Member]
4/3/2012 10:24:29 PM
Does anyone know what the laws are in Missouri about automatic knife?

1911smith  [Team Member]
4/3/2012 10:38:38 PM
LEO or active duty military as I understand Missouri law.

Knife collections including autos are ok. It's best to leave them at home.
RJTCCW  [Team Member]
4/3/2012 11:01:40 PM
Originally Posted By 1911smith:
LEO or active duty military as I understand Missouri law.

Knife collections including autos are ok. It's best to leave them at home.


Collections not okay as of Aug. 28, 2011 when the revised section 571.020 went into effect.

571.020. 1. A person commits a crime if such person knowingly possesses, manufactures, transports, repairs, or sells:

(4) A switchblade knife;

Exceptions:

2. A person does not commit a crime pursuant to this section if his conduct involved any of the items in subdivisions (1) to (6) of subsection 1, the item was possessed in conformity with any applicable federal law, and the conduct:

(1) Was incident to the performance of official duty by the armed forces, national guard, a governmental law enforcement agency, or a penal institution; or

(2) Was incident to engaging in a lawful commercial or business transaction with an organization enumerated in subdivision (1) of this section; or

(3) Was incident to using an explosive weapon in a manner reasonably related to a lawful industrial or commercial enterprise; or

(4) Was incident to displaying the weapon in a public museum or exhibition; or

(5) Was incident to using the weapon in a manner reasonably related to a lawful dramatic performance.

So, unless you can show that the possession of a switchblade knife is in the performance of official duty or transporting to a museum or a lawful dramatic performance you will be charged if caught with the switchblade knife in your possession.

My advice (and I am not a lawyer so take it with a grain of salt), STFU cause you lost in the last boating accident.
Bladeswitcher  [Team Member]
4/4/2012 8:25:13 PM
RJTCCW is right. They screwed up the switchblade law when they did away with the FFL requirement for Class 3 weapons. There are a couple of lawmakers who are aware of the situation and they SAY they're going to address it. We'll see.

And . . . for the record . . . in hindsight taking my switchblades on that boating trip was really a stupid move. What the hell was I thinking?

Assaulter  [Member]
4/4/2012 8:36:27 PM
Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher:
RJTCCW is right. They screwed up the switchblade law when they did away with the FFL requirement for Class 3 weapons. There are a couple of lawmakers who are aware of the situation and they SAY they're going to address it. We'll see.

And . . . for the record . . . in hindsight taking my switchblades on that boating trip was really a stupid move. What the hell was I thinking?


Is a name change in order?
DCMoney  [Team Member]
4/4/2012 10:04:04 PM
I was really disappointed to learn that I couldn't carry a Microtech OTF in Mo.

I hope they change the law, why can I carry and loaded gun but not an auto knife.
beaverpelt  [Team Member]
4/4/2012 10:10:01 PM
I lost my auto knife on a fishing trip. Damn thing fell into the water.
Bladeswitcher  [Team Member]
4/4/2012 10:25:06 PM
Originally Posted By Assaulter:
Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher:
RJTCCW is right. They screwed up the switchblade law when they did away with the FFL requirement for Class 3 weapons. There are a couple of lawmakers who are aware of the situation and they SAY they're going to address it. We'll see.

And . . . for the record . . . in hindsight taking my switchblades on that boating trip was really a stupid move. What the hell was I thinking?


Is a name change in order?


I don't think Arfcom allows name changes. I guess I'll just have to live with this one and wallow in the sad memory of auto knives dropping hopelessly to the bottom of the river . . .
the_naked_prophet  [Member]
4/4/2012 10:28:08 PM
571.010. As used in this chapter, the following terms shall mean:

(20) "Switchblade knife", any knife which has a blade that folds or closes into the handle or sheath, and:

(a) That opens automatically by pressure applied to a button or other device located on the handle; or

(b) That opens or releases from the handle or sheath by the force of gravity or by the application of centrifugal force.




This does not include automatic knives that open by pushing a stud on the blade.
Chapman  [Team Member]
4/4/2012 11:45:56 PM
I like how I can carry a pistol nearly everywhere I go, but can't own an auto knife
Noaccount  [Team Member]
4/5/2012 12:22:34 AM
Originally Posted By Chapman:
I like how I can carry a pistol nearly everywhere I go, but can't own an auto knife


Christ, if you can legally own a firearm you can CCW it, can anyone say MP5K or Micro Uzi?
scpd755  [Member]
4/5/2012 12:46:08 AM
Where do all of you bastards go boating at? I scuba dive and it sounds like there is so awesome swag to be found somewhere!
Bladeswitcher  [Team Member]
4/5/2012 9:56:21 PM
There's a bill introduced in the Missouri House that would treat switchblades exactly like an ordinary pocketknife. That's what needs to happen. Hope this passes:

House bill 1833
Chapman  [Team Member]
4/5/2012 10:11:29 PM
Originally Posted By Noaccount:
Originally Posted By Chapman:
I like how I can carry a pistol nearly everywhere I go, but can't own an auto knife


Christ, if you can legally own a firearm you can CCW it, can anyone say MP5K or Micro Uzi?


Exactly. Here's to the gov't common sense
RJTCCW  [Team Member]
4/6/2012 10:36:28 AM
Originally Posted By Chapman:
Originally Posted By Noaccount:
Originally Posted By Chapman:
I like how I can carry a pistol nearly everywhere I go, but can't own an auto knife


Christ, if you can legally own a firearm you can CCW it, can anyone say MP5K or Micro Uzi?


Exactly. Here's to the gov't common sense


I am sorry sir but you cannot use the terms government and common sense in the same sentence.

It is a rule somewhere.
GoGop  [Team Member]
4/6/2012 12:20:11 PM

Originally Posted By RJTCCW:
Originally Posted By Chapman:

Exactly. Here's to the gov't common sense

I am sorry sir but you cannot use the terms government and common sense in the same sentence.
It is a rule somewhere.

Is it... a govt rule?
DerMann  [Member]
4/6/2012 4:24:58 PM
Not to hijack, but does the CCW law restrict what you can carry concealed? I have my eye on a Serbu Super Shorty 870.
delorean  [Member]
4/6/2012 4:38:51 PM
Originally Posted By DerMann:
Not to hijack, but does the CCW law restrict what you can carry concealed? I have my eye on a Serbu Super Shorty 870.


The concealed carry section of the law uses the words "concealable firearm". If you read the definition of concealable firearm, it's "a firearm with a barrel of less than 16". It does not say pistol, handgun, or anything like that.
GoGop  [Team Member]
4/6/2012 6:20:50 PM
I think the only restriction is on knives.
the_naked_prophet  [Member]
4/6/2012 7:23:42 PM
Originally Posted By delorean:
Originally Posted By DerMann:
Not to hijack, but does the CCW law restrict what you can carry concealed? I have my eye on a Serbu Super Shorty 870.


The concealed carry section of the law uses the words "concealable firearm". If you read the definition of concealable firearm, it's "a firearm with a barrel of less than 16". It does not say pistol, handgun, or anything like that.



That is not the case.

This section defines the crime of "Unlawful use of weapons:"

571.030. 1. A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly:

(1) Carries concealed upon or about his or her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use; or



Later on in 571.030 it defines an exception:

4. Subdivisions (1), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section shall not apply to any person who has a valid concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a valid permit or endorsement to carry concealed firearms issued by another state or political subdivision of another state.


The exception makes the crime of all those things listed above not apply to you. That includes, a knife, "a firearm," or a baton or any other weapon. You could legally CCW a full-size carbine if you wanted.


Interestingly enough, sidenote:

571.107. 1. ... No ... concealed carry endorsement ... shall authorize any person to carry concealed firearms into:
(list of 17 places)


You can CCW a knife, baton, etc. into one of the prohibited places, but not a firearm.

delorean  [Member]
4/6/2012 7:40:08 PM
3. Subdivisions (1), (5), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section do not apply when the actor is transporting such weapons in a nonfunctioning state or in an unloaded state when ammunition is not readily accessible or when such weapons are not readily accessible. Subdivision (1) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply to any person twenty-one years of age or older transporting a concealable firearm in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, so long as such concealable firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed, nor when the actor is also in possession of an exposed firearm or projectile weapon for the lawful pursuit of game, or is in his or her dwelling unit or upon premises over which the actor has possession, authority or control, or is traveling in a continuous journey peaceably through this state. Subdivision (10) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply if the firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed by a person while traversing school premises for the purposes of transporting a student to or from school, or possessed by an adult for the purposes of facilitation of a school-sanctioned firearm-related event or club event.

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(4) "Concealable firearm", any firearm with a barrel less than sixteen inches in length, measured from the face of the bolt or standing breech;



So I guess it is illegal to CCW anything over 16" in your vehicle unless you have a CCW endorsement?

the_naked_prophet  [Member]
4/6/2012 7:43:44 PM
Originally Posted By delorean:
3. Subdivisions (1), (5), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section do not apply when the actor is transporting such weapons in a nonfunctioning state or in an unloaded state when ammunition is not readily accessible or when such weapons are not readily accessible. Subdivision (1) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply to any person twenty-one years of age or older transporting a concealable firearm in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, so long as such concealable firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed, nor when the actor is also in possession of an exposed firearm or projectile weapon for the lawful pursuit of game, or is in his or her dwelling unit or upon premises over which the actor has possession, authority or control, or is traveling in a continuous journey peaceably through this state. Subdivision (10) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply if the firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed by a person while traversing school premises for the purposes of transporting a student to or from school, or possessed by an adult for the purposes of facilitation of a school-sanctioned firearm-related event or club event.

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(4) "Concealable firearm", any firearm with a barrel less than sixteen inches in length, measured from the face of the bolt or standing breech;



So I guess it is illegal to CCW anything over 16" in your vehicle unless you have a CCW endorsement?



So it would seem.

RJTCCW  [Team Member]
4/6/2012 10:53:55 PM
Originally Posted By delorean:
3. Subdivisions (1), (5), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section do not apply when the actor is transporting such weapons in a nonfunctioning state or in an unloaded state when ammunition is not readily accessible or when such weapons are not readily accessible. Subdivision (1) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply to any person twenty-one years of age or older transporting a concealable firearm in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, so long as such concealable firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed, nor when the actor is also in possession of an exposed firearm or projectile weapon for the lawful pursuit of game, or is in his or her dwelling unit or upon premises over which the actor has possession, authority or control, or is traveling in a continuous journey peaceably through this state. Subdivision (10) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply if the firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed by a person while traversing school premises for the purposes of transporting a student to or from school, or possessed by an adult for the purposes of facilitation of a school-sanctioned firearm-related event or club event.

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(4) "Concealable firearm", any firearm with a barrel less than sixteen inches in length, measured from the face of the bolt or standing breech;



So I guess it is illegal to CCW anything over 16" in your vehicle unless you have a CCW endorsement?



I think what I put in bold/underline above covers barrels over 16".
Chapman  [Team Member]
4/7/2012 6:15:43 PM
Originally Posted By RJTCCW:
Originally Posted By delorean:
3. Subdivisions (1), (5), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section do not apply when the actor is transporting such weapons in a nonfunctioning state or in an unloaded state when ammunition is not readily accessible or when such weapons are not readily accessible. Subdivision (1) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply to any person twenty-one years of age or older transporting a concealable firearm in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, so long as such concealable firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed, nor when the actor is also in possession of an exposed firearm or projectile weapon for the lawful pursuit of game, or is in his or her dwelling unit or upon premises over which the actor has possession, authority or control, or is traveling in a continuous journey peaceably through this state. Subdivision (10) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply if the firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed by a person while traversing school premises for the purposes of transporting a student to or from school, or possessed by an adult for the purposes of facilitation of a school-sanctioned firearm-related event or club event.

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(4) "Concealable firearm", any firearm with a barrel less than sixteen inches in length, measured from the face of the bolt or standing breech;



So I guess it is illegal to CCW anything over 16" in your vehicle unless you have a CCW endorsement?



I think what I put in bold/underline above covers barrels over 16".


Yet another reason for an SBR, just in case
RJTCCW  [Team Member]
4/7/2012 9:19:18 PM
Originally Posted By Chapman:
Originally Posted By RJTCCW:
Originally Posted By delorean:
3. Subdivisions (1), (5), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section do not apply when the actor is transporting such weapons in a nonfunctioning state or in an unloaded state when ammunition is not readily accessible or when such weapons are not readily accessible. Subdivision (1) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply to any person twenty-one years of age or older transporting a concealable firearm in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, so long as such concealable firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed, nor when the actor is also in possession of an exposed firearm or projectile weapon for the lawful pursuit of game, or is in his or her dwelling unit or upon premises over which the actor has possession, authority or control, or is traveling in a continuous journey peaceably through this state. Subdivision (10) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply if the firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed by a person while traversing school premises for the purposes of transporting a student to or from school, or possessed by an adult for the purposes of facilitation of a school-sanctioned firearm-related event or club event.

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(4) "Concealable firearm", any firearm with a barrel less than sixteen inches in length, measured from the face of the bolt or standing breech;



So I guess it is illegal to CCW anything over 16" in your vehicle unless you have a CCW endorsement?



I think what I put in bold/underline above covers barrels over 16".


Yet another reason for an SBR, just in case


I like the way you think sir.
170Driver  [Member]
4/8/2012 12:29:18 AM
Originally Posted By the_naked_prophet:
571.010. As used in this chapter, the following terms shall mean:

(20) "Switchblade knife", any knife which has a blade that folds or closes into the handle or sheath, and:

(a) That opens automatically by pressure applied to a button or other device located on the handle; or

(b) That opens or releases from the handle or sheath by the force of gravity or by the application of centrifugal force.




This does not include automatic knives that open by pushing a stud on the blade.


I'm sorry for my ignorance, what exactly constitutes an automatic knife? It is a press of a button to deploy the blade? I know there were some legal definitions below, but I am still not too sure! Thanks for any help!
Noaccount  [Team Member]
4/8/2012 4:48:37 AM
Originally Posted By 170Driver:
Originally Posted By the_naked_prophet:
571.010. As used in this chapter, the following terms shall mean:

(20) "Switchblade knife", any knife which has a blade that folds or closes into the handle or sheath, and:

(a) That opens automatically by pressure applied to a button or other device located on the handle; or

(b) That opens or releases from the handle or sheath by the force of gravity or by the application of centrifugal force.




This does not include automatic knives that open by pushing a stud on the blade.


I'm sorry for my ignorance, what exactly constitutes an automatic knife? It is a press of a button to deploy the blade? I know there were some legal definitions below, but I am still not too sure! Thanks for any help!


The automatic knife the naked prophet is talking about is what most people call a spring assisted knife. You have to apply direct pressure to the blade to initiate the opening.
Bladeswitcher  [Team Member]
4/8/2012 8:26:55 AM
Originally Posted By Noaccount:
Originally Posted By 170Driver:
Originally Posted By the_naked_prophet:
571.010. As used in this chapter, the following terms shall mean:

(20) "Switchblade knife", any knife which has a blade that folds or closes into the handle or sheath, and:

(a) That opens automatically by pressure applied to a button or other device located on the handle; or

(b) That opens or releases from the handle or sheath by the force of gravity or by the application of centrifugal force.




This does not include automatic knives that open by pushing a stud on the blade.


I'm sorry for my ignorance, what exactly constitutes an automatic knife? It is a press of a button to deploy the blade? I know there were some legal definitions below, but I am still not too sure! Thanks for any help!


The automatic knife the naked prophet is talking about is what most people call a spring assisted knife. You have to apply direct pressure to the blade to initiate the opening.




I found this information on eBay's site interesting:
http://reviews.ebay.com/WHY-SPRING-ASSIST-KNIVES-ARE-ALLOWED-BY-eBay?ugid=10000000003498995

Apparently, switchblades are evil, but assisted open knives are the choice of good-guy, law-abiding citizens everywhere:

Spring Assist Knives are extremely functional tools by law-abiding citizens and that these knives serve an important utility to many knife users, as well as firefighters, EMT personnel, hunters, fishermen, and others who utilize one-handed opening knives . . . .
Spring Assist Knives are intended to save lives while an EMT, Firefighter, or Law Enforcement Officer is trying to get you out of an automobile accident or any other viable problem. They have saved skydivers lives that had to cut parachute lines. They have saved countless fishing poles when a line is needed to be cut. They are also essential to handicap individuals whom happen to have one arm . . . .


never mind that the same things could be said about switchblades . . . .
Bladeswitcher  [Team Member]
4/8/2012 8:32:17 AM
Here's another commercial page with some good information about assisted openers and the federal law that makes them legal:

http://www.assistedknife.com/index.cfm/fa/pages.main/pageID/5


Now, can somebody explain why a true "switchblade" is any more sinister or dangerous?
RJTCCW  [Team Member]
4/8/2012 3:14:42 PM
Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher:
Here's another commercial page with some good information about assisted openers and the federal law that makes them legal:

http://www.assistedknife.com/index.cfm/fa/pages.main/pageID/5


Now, can somebody explain why a true "switchblade" is any more sinister or dangerous?


50's gangster movies is why.
Noaccount  [Team Member]
4/9/2012 1:44:37 AM
Originally Posted By RJTCCW:
Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher:
Here's another commercial page with some good information about assisted openers and the federal law that makes them legal:

http://www.assistedknife.com/index.cfm/fa/pages.main/pageID/5


Now, can somebody explain why a true "switchblade" is any more sinister or dangerous?


50's gangster movies is why.


pretty much the same reason that supressors are regulated; the movie industry
EvilBetty  [Team Member]
4/9/2012 2:10:50 AM
Originally Posted By RJTCCW:
Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher:
Now, can somebody explain why a true "switchblade" is any more sinister or dangerous?


50's gangster movies is why.




Originally Posted By Noaccount:


pretty much the same reason that supressors are regulated; the movie industry


Sad truth...