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SENATE BILL No. 243
1/8/2012 3:24:38 PM
SENATE BILL No. 243
This bill would legalize sound suppressors for hunting in Indiana. 36 states allow civilian ownership of sound suppressors, and of those 36 states, 26 currently allow suppressors for hunting as well. Please contact your State Senator to ensure that Indiana is one of them. Thanks.
This bill would legalize sound suppressors for hunting in Indiana. 36 states allow civilian ownership of sound suppressors, and of those 36 states, 26 currently allow suppressors for hunting as well. Please contact your State Senator to ensure that Indiana is one of them. Thanks.
1/9/2012 8:09:25 AM
1/9/2012 9:35:17 AM
I'm not a hunter, but I support this.
I have contacted my State Senator.
I have contacted my State Senator.
1/9/2012 11:33:24 PM
I already have sent Senator Bray an e-mail, I encourage others to do the same.
RBRAY@iga.in.gov
RBRAY@iga.in.gov
1/15/2012 1:31:35 PM
(a) A person who:
(1) unlawfully takes or possesses a deer or wild turkey;
(2) takes or possesses a deer or wild turkey by illegal methods or
with illegal devices; or
(3) except as provided in subsections (c) and (d), sells, offers to sell, purchases, or offers to purchase a deer or wild turkey or a part of a deer or wild turkey;
shall reimburse the state five hundred dollars ($500) for the first violation and one thousand dollars ($1,000) for each subsequent violation.
(b) The money shall be deposited in the conservation officers fish and wildlife fund. This penalty is in addition to any other penalty under the law.
(c) Notwithstanding section 6 of this chapter, if a properly tagged deer is brought to a meat processing facility and the owner of the deer:
(1) fails to pick up the processed deer within a reasonable time; or
(2) notifies the meat processing facility that the owner does not want the processed deer;
the deer meat may be given away by the meat processing facility to another person. The meat processing facility may charge the person receiving the deer meat a reasonable and customary processing fee.
(d) Notwithstanding section 6 of this chapter, deer meat and products from farm raised deer that meet the requirements under IC 15-17 may be sold to the public.
(e) In addition to the reimbursement required under subsection (a), a person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally violates subsection (a)(1) or (a)(2) while using or possessing:
(1) an apparatus designed for use with or on a firearm commonly called a silencer; or
(2) a device used as a silencer;
commits a Class C misdemeanor.
(1) unlawfully takes or possesses a deer or wild turkey;
(2) takes or possesses a deer or wild turkey by illegal methods or
with illegal devices; or
(3) except as provided in subsections (c) and (d), sells, offers to sell, purchases, or offers to purchase a deer or wild turkey or a part of a deer or wild turkey;
shall reimburse the state five hundred dollars ($500) for the first violation and one thousand dollars ($1,000) for each subsequent violation.
(b) The money shall be deposited in the conservation officers fish and wildlife fund. This penalty is in addition to any other penalty under the law.
(c) Notwithstanding section 6 of this chapter, if a properly tagged deer is brought to a meat processing facility and the owner of the deer:
(1) fails to pick up the processed deer within a reasonable time; or
(2) notifies the meat processing facility that the owner does not want the processed deer;
the deer meat may be given away by the meat processing facility to another person. The meat processing facility may charge the person receiving the deer meat a reasonable and customary processing fee.
(d) Notwithstanding section 6 of this chapter, deer meat and products from farm raised deer that meet the requirements under IC 15-17 may be sold to the public.
(e) In addition to the reimbursement required under subsection (a), a person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally violates subsection (a)(1) or (a)(2) while using or possessing:
(1) an apparatus designed for use with or on a firearm commonly called a silencer; or
(2) a device used as a silencer;
commits a Class C misdemeanor.
Anyone care to tackle the legalese of the above bill? Will suppressors be allowed for deer? The wording is confusing:
Let's dissect the text, with my comments in red:
(e) In addition to the reimbursement required under subsection (a), a person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally violates subsection (a)(1) (unlawfully takes or possesses a deer or wild turkey) or (a)(2) (takes or possesses a deer or wild turkey by illegal methods or with illegal devices) while using or possessing:
(1) an apparatus designed for use with or on a firearm commonly called a silencer; or
(2) a device used as a silencer;
commits a Class C misdemeanor.
My opinion (which may be incorrect) is that if a person takes a deer or turkey in an illegal manner (poaching with illegal weapon, no tag, with spotlight, etc.) AND ALSO uses a silencer while committing this crime commits a Class C misdemeanor, but that suppressors would be legal for deer.
Opinions?
1/15/2012 2:57:35 PM
Originally Posted By M4Madness:
SENATE BILL No. 243
This bill would legalize sound suppressors for hunting in Indiana. 36 states allow civilian ownership of sound suppressors, and of those 36 states, 26 currently allow suppressors for hunting as well. Please contact your State Senator to ensure that Indiana is one of them. Thanks.
SENATE BILL No. 243
This bill would legalize sound suppressors for hunting in Indiana. 36 states allow civilian ownership of sound suppressors, and of those 36 states, 26 currently allow suppressors for hunting as well. Please contact your State Senator to ensure that Indiana is one of them. Thanks.
I thought you Indiana boys used sling shots for hunting
1/15/2012 4:12:18 PM
Originally Posted By crowboy:
I thought you Indiana boys used sling shots for hunting
Originally Posted By M4Madness:
SENATE BILL No. 243
This bill would legalize sound suppressors for hunting in Indiana. 36 states allow civilian ownership of sound suppressors, and of those 36 states, 26 currently allow suppressors for hunting as well. Please contact your State Senator to ensure that Indiana is one of them. Thanks.
SENATE BILL No. 243
This bill would legalize sound suppressors for hunting in Indiana. 36 states allow civilian ownership of sound suppressors, and of those 36 states, 26 currently allow suppressors for hunting as well. Please contact your State Senator to ensure that Indiana is one of them. Thanks.
I thought you Indiana boys used sling shots for hunting
GTFO of our HTF old man.
1/15/2012 5:10:18 PM
Originally Posted By Dog1:
GTFO of our HTF old man.
Originally Posted By crowboy:
I thought you Indiana boys used sling shots for hunting
Originally Posted By M4Madness:
SENATE BILL No. 243
This bill would legalize sound suppressors for hunting in Indiana. 36 states allow civilian ownership of sound suppressors, and of those 36 states, 26 currently allow suppressors for hunting as well. Please contact your State Senator to ensure that Indiana is one of them. Thanks.
SENATE BILL No. 243
This bill would legalize sound suppressors for hunting in Indiana. 36 states allow civilian ownership of sound suppressors, and of those 36 states, 26 currently allow suppressors for hunting as well. Please contact your State Senator to ensure that Indiana is one of them. Thanks.
I thought you Indiana boys used sling shots for hunting
GTFO of our HTF old man.
1/15/2012 5:15:04 PM
Originally Posted By crowboy:
Originally Posted By Dog1:
GTFO of our HTF old man.
Originally Posted By crowboy:
I thought you Indiana boys used sling shots for hunting
Originally Posted By M4Madness:
SENATE BILL No. 243
This bill would legalize sound suppressors for hunting in Indiana. 36 states allow civilian ownership of sound suppressors, and of those 36 states, 26 currently allow suppressors for hunting as well. Please contact your State Senator to ensure that Indiana is one of them. Thanks.
SENATE BILL No. 243
This bill would legalize sound suppressors for hunting in Indiana. 36 states allow civilian ownership of sound suppressors, and of those 36 states, 26 currently allow suppressors for hunting as well. Please contact your State Senator to ensure that Indiana is one of them. Thanks.
I thought you Indiana boys used sling shots for hunting
GTFO of our HTF old man.
1/15/2012 6:33:12 PM
Originally Posted By crowboy:
I thought you Indiana boys used sling shots for hunting
Originally Posted By M4Madness:
SENATE BILL No. 243
This bill would legalize sound suppressors for hunting in Indiana. 36 states allow civilian ownership of sound suppressors, and of those 36 states, 26 currently allow suppressors for hunting as well. Please contact your State Senator to ensure that Indiana is one of them. Thanks.
SENATE BILL No. 243
This bill would legalize sound suppressors for hunting in Indiana. 36 states allow civilian ownership of sound suppressors, and of those 36 states, 26 currently allow suppressors for hunting as well. Please contact your State Senator to ensure that Indiana is one of them. Thanks.
I thought you Indiana boys used sling shots for hunting
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1/15/2012 7:08:37 PM
Remember Danny, I was born in South Bend, I gots rights here in Hoosierland
1/15/2012 9:49:21 PM
David,
The bill is meant to allow suppressors for all hunting, deer included.
The bill is meant to allow suppressors for all hunting, deer included.
1/15/2012 9:54:04 PM
Originally Posted By buckfever34:
David,
The bill is meant to allow suppressors for all hunting, deer included.
David,
The bill is meant to allow suppressors for all hunting, deer included.
Hey, how was the show? You guys busy?
1/15/2012 10:03:12 PM
Originally Posted By buckfever34:
David,
The bill is meant to allow suppressors for all hunting, deer included.
David,
The bill is meant to allow suppressors for all hunting, deer included.
That's the way I read it too, but some posters on other sites interpret it to mean that suppressors would still be illegal for deer.
1/15/2012 10:05:59 PM
Originally Posted By Dog1:
Hey, how was the show? You guys busy?
Originally Posted By buckfever34:
David,
The bill is meant to allow suppressors for all hunting, deer included.
David,
The bill is meant to allow suppressors for all hunting, deer included.
Hey, how was the show? You guys busy?
Very busy. This show tied for our biggest show ever––to the exact number, which was the January show back when Obama was sworn in.
1/15/2012 10:07:38 PM
Originally Posted By buckfever34:
Very busy. This show tied for our biggest show ever––to the exact number, which was the January show back when Obama was sworn in.
Originally Posted By Dog1:
Hey, how was the show? You guys busy?
Originally Posted By buckfever34:
David,
The bill is meant to allow suppressors for all hunting, deer included.
David,
The bill is meant to allow suppressors for all hunting, deer included.
Hey, how was the show? You guys busy?
Very busy. This show tied for our biggest show ever––to the exact number, which was the January show back when Obama was sworn in.
Awesome...
1/23/2012 2:29:53 PM
this bill gets heard on Wed. rally up the troops guys!
2/5/2012 10:01:36 AM
SB 243 was amended and passed the full Senate with a vote of 42 to 8. It now goes to the House for consideration.
DIGEST OF SB 243
Silencers when hunting. Repeals the law that prohibits the possession or use of a silencer while in the act of hunting. Provides that a person who takes or possesses a deer or wild turkey: (1) unlawfully; (2) by illegal methods; or (3) with illegal devices; while using or possessing a silencer commits a Class C misdemeanor. Makes hunting on private land without the permission of the owner a Class B misdemeanor if the person does so while using a silencer. Makes a technical correction.
The section regarding hunting without permission was the amendment.
DIGEST OF SB 243
Silencers when hunting. Repeals the law that prohibits the possession or use of a silencer while in the act of hunting. Provides that a person who takes or possesses a deer or wild turkey: (1) unlawfully; (2) by illegal methods; or (3) with illegal devices; while using or possessing a silencer commits a Class C misdemeanor. Makes hunting on private land without the permission of the owner a Class B misdemeanor if the person does so while using a silencer. Makes a technical correction.
The section regarding hunting without permission was the amendment.
2/6/2012 1:14:16 PM
Originally Posted By M60E3:
this bill gets heard on Wed. rally up the troops guys!
this bill gets heard on Wed. rally up the troops guys!
**fingers crossed**
2/6/2012 4:28:38 PM
How do things look in the House? I don't even know our R/D ratio. Talked to a friend and he seemed to think the House was even stronger R than the Senate?
If this passes, I'm going to be poor for a while.
If this passes, I'm going to be poor for a while.
2/6/2012 9:36:34 PM
Originally Posted By JimTh:
How do things look in the House? I don't even know our R/D ratio. Talked to a friend and he seemed to think the House was even stronger R than the Senate?
If this passes, I'm going to be poor for a while.
How do things look in the House? I don't even know our R/D ratio. Talked to a friend and he seemed to think the House was even stronger R than the Senate?
If this passes, I'm going to be poor for a while.
Jim,
R/D is 60/40 in the house....
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2/7/2012 8:39:19 AM
Originally Posted By JimTh:
How do things look in the House? I don't even know our R/D ratio. Talked to a friend and he seemed to think the House was even stronger R than the Senate?
If this passes, I'm going to be poor for a while.
How do things look in the House? I don't even know our R/D ratio. Talked to a friend and he seemed to think the House was even stronger R than the Senate?
If this passes, I'm going to be poor for a while.
I would venture to say this is a done deal; however, I don't want to be too optimistic about it
2/7/2012 11:33:38 PM
I don't hunt right now, even though I buy a hunting/fishing license every year, but I might take the .22 out for squirrels if this passes the house. I would definitely go coyote hunting with my AR.
It appears you are correct.
Originally Posted By M4Madness:
Anyone care to tackle the legalese of the above bill? Will suppressors be allowed for deer? The wording is confusing:
Let's dissect the text, with my comments in red:
(e) In addition to the reimbursement required under subsection (a), a person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally violates subsection (a)(1) (unlawfully takes or possesses a deer or wild turkey) or (a)(2) (takes or possesses a deer or wild turkey by illegal methods or with illegal devices) while using or possessing:
(1) an apparatus designed for use with or on a firearm commonly called a silencer; or
(2) a device used as a silencer;
commits a Class C misdemeanor.
My opinion (which may be incorrect) is that if a person takes a deer or turkey in an illegal manner (poaching with illegal weapon, no tag, with spotlight, etc.) AND ALSO uses a silencer while committing this crime commits a Class C misdemeanor, but that suppressors would be legal for deer.
Opinions?
(a) A person who:
(1) unlawfully takes or possesses a deer or wild turkey;
(2) takes or possesses a deer or wild turkey by illegal methods or
with illegal devices; or
(3) except as provided in subsections (c) and (d), sells, offers to sell, purchases, or offers to purchase a deer or wild turkey or a part of a deer or wild turkey;
shall reimburse the state five hundred dollars ($500) for the first violation and one thousand dollars ($1,000) for each subsequent violation.
(b) The money shall be deposited in the conservation officers fish and wildlife fund. This penalty is in addition to any other penalty under the law.
(c) Notwithstanding section 6 of this chapter, if a properly tagged deer is brought to a meat processing facility and the owner of the deer:
(1) fails to pick up the processed deer within a reasonable time; or
(2) notifies the meat processing facility that the owner does not want the processed deer;
the deer meat may be given away by the meat processing facility to another person. The meat processing facility may charge the person receiving the deer meat a reasonable and customary processing fee.
(d) Notwithstanding section 6 of this chapter, deer meat and products from farm raised deer that meet the requirements under IC 15-17 may be sold to the public.
(e) In addition to the reimbursement required under subsection (a), a person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally violates subsection (a)(1) or (a)(2) while using or possessing:
(1) an apparatus designed for use with or on a firearm commonly called a silencer; or
(2) a device used as a silencer;
commits a Class C misdemeanor.
(1) unlawfully takes or possesses a deer or wild turkey;
(2) takes or possesses a deer or wild turkey by illegal methods or
with illegal devices; or
(3) except as provided in subsections (c) and (d), sells, offers to sell, purchases, or offers to purchase a deer or wild turkey or a part of a deer or wild turkey;
shall reimburse the state five hundred dollars ($500) for the first violation and one thousand dollars ($1,000) for each subsequent violation.
(b) The money shall be deposited in the conservation officers fish and wildlife fund. This penalty is in addition to any other penalty under the law.
(c) Notwithstanding section 6 of this chapter, if a properly tagged deer is brought to a meat processing facility and the owner of the deer:
(1) fails to pick up the processed deer within a reasonable time; or
(2) notifies the meat processing facility that the owner does not want the processed deer;
the deer meat may be given away by the meat processing facility to another person. The meat processing facility may charge the person receiving the deer meat a reasonable and customary processing fee.
(d) Notwithstanding section 6 of this chapter, deer meat and products from farm raised deer that meet the requirements under IC 15-17 may be sold to the public.
(e) In addition to the reimbursement required under subsection (a), a person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally violates subsection (a)(1) or (a)(2) while using or possessing:
(1) an apparatus designed for use with or on a firearm commonly called a silencer; or
(2) a device used as a silencer;
commits a Class C misdemeanor.
Anyone care to tackle the legalese of the above bill? Will suppressors be allowed for deer? The wording is confusing:
Let's dissect the text, with my comments in red:
(e) In addition to the reimbursement required under subsection (a), a person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally violates subsection (a)(1) (unlawfully takes or possesses a deer or wild turkey) or (a)(2) (takes or possesses a deer or wild turkey by illegal methods or with illegal devices) while using or possessing:
(1) an apparatus designed for use with or on a firearm commonly called a silencer; or
(2) a device used as a silencer;
commits a Class C misdemeanor.
My opinion (which may be incorrect) is that if a person takes a deer or turkey in an illegal manner (poaching with illegal weapon, no tag, with spotlight, etc.) AND ALSO uses a silencer while committing this crime commits a Class C misdemeanor, but that suppressors would be legal for deer.
Opinions?
It appears you are correct.
2/8/2012 7:38:45 PM
soo what happened?
2/15/2012 4:44:30 PM
2/26/2012 9:48:17 PM
Senate Bill 243 was amended into House Bill 1279, and appears to be on the verge of passing.
http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2012/EH/EH1279.2.html
http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2012/EH/EH1279.2.html
2/29/2012 6:45:04 PM
Just read this on another site:
Last week, the NRA-backed legislation legalizing the use of suppressors for hunting was amended into another bill, due to a missed deadline by the House Public Policy Committee. Senate Bill 243, previously reported here, was unable to survive last week’s committee report deadline and is now considered a dead bill.
The “hunting with suppressors” language was then resurrected, thanks to the efforts of state Representative Sean Eberhart (R-57) and state Senators Ryan Mishler (R-9) and Travis Holdman (R-19). These legislators worked together to add the language from SB 243 to Representative Eberhart’s Natural Resources Omnibus bill, House Bill 1279. Yesterday, the Senate voted 49 to 0 to pass HB 1279 with the “hunting with suppressors” language included. It was then sent back to the state House for a concurrence vote in conference committee.
However, due to new rules adopted by the House of Representatives for this legislative session, if a bill does not get a hearing in a House committee, it cannot be accepted into another House bill. Unfortunately, this means that the pro-hunting language from SB 243 will be removed from HB 1279 in conference committee, and will not be allowed to move forward this session.
The National Rifle Association appreciates the efforts by state Representative Sean Eberhart and state Senators Ryan Mishler and Travis Holdman to keep the suppressor language alive.
The “hunting with suppressors” language was then resurrected, thanks to the efforts of state Representative Sean Eberhart (R-57) and state Senators Ryan Mishler (R-9) and Travis Holdman (R-19). These legislators worked together to add the language from SB 243 to Representative Eberhart’s Natural Resources Omnibus bill, House Bill 1279. Yesterday, the Senate voted 49 to 0 to pass HB 1279 with the “hunting with suppressors” language included. It was then sent back to the state House for a concurrence vote in conference committee.
However, due to new rules adopted by the House of Representatives for this legislative session, if a bill does not get a hearing in a House committee, it cannot be accepted into another House bill. Unfortunately, this means that the pro-hunting language from SB 243 will be removed from HB 1279 in conference committee, and will not be allowed to move forward this session.
The National Rifle Association appreciates the efforts by state Representative Sean Eberhart and state Senators Ryan Mishler and Travis Holdman to keep the suppressor language alive.
3/1/2012 8:31:08 AM
Damn it, damn it, damn it 
3/1/2012 7:34:15 PM
Guess thieir more worried about important stuff like smoking bans. BASTARDS
3/4/2012 5:41:18 PM
What happened with the other 2 bills???? The ones for auto knives & SBS.
