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Maryland_Shooter  [Team Member]
2/10/2011 11:44:55 AM
4. February 10 - Gun Day in the Senate
February 10 is shaping up to be the main event for the season in the Senate Judicial Proceedings Committee. This is the day that we see Senator Frosh's magazine ban bill heard as well as the other bills that we took positions on at the top of this Update.


At MD Shooters

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=51271
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BRONZ  [Moderator]
2/10/2011 1:40:44 PM
What was it. 20 rd. to 10 rd. again.
Maryland_Shooter  [Team Member]
2/10/2011 1:50:10 PM
Originally Posted By BRONZ:
What was it. 20 rd. to 10 rd. again.


Mag limit of 10 rounds, meaning that you simply would not be able to buy certain guns here.
rdblan2  [Team Member]
2/10/2011 6:31:05 PM
I'm not liking our chances this year. Thanks to those of you that made it today.
CBR900  [Member]
2/10/2011 8:47:09 PM
Thanks for the link. The report from the MD forum looks grim indeed.
Maryland_Shooter  [Team Member]
2/11/2011 5:18:46 AM
Then my perceptions are very different. There was a steady stream of people who testified against it, with only Frosh on the committee for it.

Good people - former LE stating why a average person with no training should have the same chance a LE officer gets.

IMHO - it won't pass.

I didn't get to speak as I wasn't able to get there by 11:00 to put my name on the list. Maybe a good thing as tact is not my forte.

Worse bill was the one that made it a 18 month to 10 year penalty for having a loaded firearm during transport.

So you toss you stuff in the trunk, forget to unload all the mags and BAM - get caught it's 18 months.

Seriously bad.

Billl 311 making it a crime to bring a deadly weapon to a school - about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. It's scary to imagine a legislator was that dumb to introduce it. Schools as gun-free zones? Target rich enviornments is more like it.

I have a cat that is smarter than the guy who introduced this bit of folly.
thedoctors308  [Team Member]
2/13/2011 3:59:31 AM
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Worse bill was the one that made it a 18 month to 10 year penalty for having a loaded firearm during transport.

So you toss you stuff in the trunk, forget to unload all the mags and BAM - get caught it's 18 months.

Seriously bad.


I'm for this bill and against it at the same time.
I understand why it was introduced, and it could be a useful tool, but I don't want to see it used against law abiding people.
As usual, they would be better off actually enforcing the existing laws, than creating or altering new ones.
Maryland_Shooter  [Team Member]
2/13/2011 7:53:19 AM
Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Worse bill was the one that made it a 18 month to 10 year penalty for having a loaded firearm during transport.

So you toss you stuff in the trunk, forget to unload all the mags and BAM - get caught it's 18 months.

Seriously bad.


I'm for this bill and against it at the same time.
I understand why it was introduced, and it could be a useful tool, but I don't want to see it used against law abiding people.
As usual, they would be better off actually enforcing the existing laws, than creating or altering new ones.


You can't be both

I am GTG with them hammering repeat offenders - guys who are convicted of serious crimes and then caught with a loaded gun. What I, and everyone with an idea of how this thing would work is against - is a guy driving from a range and making the stupid mistake of not unloading everything - then getting 18 months.

That's plain stupid - what we want to do is penalize criminals, not guys like Ed Hale who just made a stupid, and serious mistake.

WTF - what pisses me off is the convicts who are let go by the system, only to do the same thing again. Get 5 years, serve 5 years
TrojanMan  [Team Member]
2/14/2011 3:47:25 PM
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Worse bill was the one that made it a 18 month to 10 year penalty for having a loaded firearm during transport.

So you toss you stuff in the trunk, forget to unload all the mags and BAM - get caught it's 18 months.

Seriously bad.


I'm for this bill and against it at the same time.
I understand why it was introduced, and it could be a useful tool, but I don't want to see it used against law abiding people.
As usual, they would be better off actually enforcing the existing laws, than creating or altering new ones.


You can't be both

I am GTG with them hammering repeat offenders - guys who are convicted of serious crimes and then caught with a loaded gun. What I, and everyone with an idea of how this thing would work is against - is a guy driving from a range and making the stupid mistake of not unloading everything - then getting 18 months.

That's plain stupid - what we want to do is penalize criminals, not guys like Ed Hale who just made a stupid, and serious mistake.

WTF - what pisses me off is the convicts who are let go by the system, only to do the same thing again. Get 5 years, serve 5 years


If it were actually possible to get a concealed weapons permit, and if the transport laws weren't so asinine, I would have a different opinion about the proposed legislation.

As it stands, it's a terrible idea. Far more "good" guys, who have done absolutely nothing dangerous or intentionally criminal, would be getting thrown into prison, than we would ever get "bad" guys off the streets.

I have seen a lot of people show up at the range and realize that they left a round in the chamber. The hunters who only sight their guns in once a year are really prone to this for some reason. Is it stupid? Sure. Does it deserve a felony sentence? Absolutely not.
I've spoken with plenty of older men and women who carry a gun despite not being able to get a permit. They figure, the liklihood and penalty of getting caught is nowhere near the liklihood and penalty of being attacked. Is that stupid? I don't think so. Maybe not what I would do, but it's not stupid. And it sure as hell doesn't deserve a felony sentence for grandma's purse gun.
How many people have loaded magazines in their range bag? We're still not even clear on that issue.

And the proponents claim they want the law so that they can lock up the criminals.
OK, sure. Here's a novel idea: Lock up the criminals.

Denying the law-abiding the right and means to defend themselves isn't going to make anyone safer.
CBR900  [Member]
2/14/2011 8:56:15 PM
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Then my perceptions are very different. There was a steady stream of people who testified against it, with only Frosh on the committee for it.

Good people - former LE stating why a average person with no training should have the same chance a LE officer gets.

IMHO - it won't pass.

I didn't get to speak as I wasn't able to get there by 11:00 to put my name on the list. Maybe a good thing as tact is not my forte.

Worse bill was the one that made it a 18 month to 10 year penalty for having a loaded firearm during transport.

So you toss you stuff in the trunk, forget to unload all the mags and BAM - get caught it's 18 months.

Seriously bad.

Billl 311 making it a crime to bring a deadly weapon to a school - about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. It's scary to imagine a legislator was that dumb to introduce it. Schools as gun-free zones? Target rich enviornments is more like it.

I have a cat that is smarter than the guy who introduced this bit of folly.


Glad to hear that! THanks for going & thanks for fighting the good fight; keep it up Maryland!
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