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 Are bullet proof vests legal in MN for civilians?
Angelshare1  [Member]
6/4/2009 11:31:36 AM
A guy who works for a security company I know wants to sell me one for $50. I know some states have laws against felons owning body armor. I don't have a record or anything. Do we have any goofy body armor laws in MN? I didn't see anything on the tacked supressor/FA thread.

Thanks!

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SultanOfBrunei  [Member]
6/4/2009 12:57:16 PM
I can't say that I have heard of any in MN.

I did some quick searches on MN Legislature site, and didn't come up with any for the terms: Bulletproof, bullet vest, or body armor. However if you are buying it to be used by a police employee, you can get reimbursed by the state for 50% (up to $600).
FrozenWinter  [Member]
6/4/2009 3:39:18 PM
cant say as to the accuracy of this but i remember hearing that they are ok to own, however you cant be wearing it if you are ccw.
MrMONEYman  [Member]
6/4/2009 3:50:55 PM
Originally Posted By FrozenWinter:
however you cant be wearing it if you are ccw.


Why not? The ccw statutes does not mention bullet proof vest or prohibits a person from wearing one.

If it is an outer carrier, you'll just look goofy and like a poser; if its a concealable vest, no one will know.

As to legalities, I can't think of any MN laws that prohibit the ownership, possession, or wearing of a vest - as a former armed security, I was able to purchase a vest and wear it w/o any hassle.
mcnielsen  [Team Member]
6/4/2009 4:37:31 PM
They are legal to own if you are legal to own one (aka: if you are eligible to possess a firearm, you may own a vest.)

Streichers  [Industry Partner]
6/4/2009 4:57:36 PM
Originally Posted By Angelshare1:
A guy who works for a security company I know wants to sell me one for $50. I know some states have laws against felons owning body armor. I don't have a record or anything. Do we have any goofy body armor laws in MN? I didn't see anything on the tacked supressor/FA thread.

Thanks!



I don't know about the laws, but just be aware, these things have a life expectancy like anything else. Supposedly the NIJ tested some 10 year old vests and they performed well, but If you are buying a vest that is +5 years old and hasn't been taken care of well you might not be getting your money's worth, even $50. Also, most vests are very specifically tailored for the wearer and unless you two have very similar builds, you will have difficulty wearing.
GoBlue  [Team Member]
6/4/2009 5:41:42 PM
They are illegal to own/possess if you are in the process of committing a felony.
SultanOfBrunei  [Member]
6/4/2009 6:00:35 PM

They are legal to own if you are legal to own one (aka: if you are eligible to possess a firearm, you may own a vest.)


They are illegal to own/possess if you are in the process of committing a felony.

Are those federal laws?

Garage-Logician  [Member]
6/4/2009 6:17:34 PM
Originally Posted By Streichers:
Originally Posted By Angelshare1:
A guy who works for a security company I know wants to sell me one for $50. I know some states have laws against felons owning body armor. I don't have a record or anything. Do we have any goofy body armor laws in MN? I didn't see anything on the tacked supressor/FA thread.

Thanks!



I don't know about the laws, but just be aware, these things have a life expectancy like anything else. Supposedly the NIJ tested some 10 year old vests and they performed well, but If you are buying a vest that is +5 years old and hasn't been taken care of well you might not be getting your money's worth, even $50. Also, most vests are very specifically tailored for the wearer and unless you two have very similar builds, you will have difficulty wearing.


FWIW, I recently made a reactive target out of a 12" x12" piece of a 10 year old vest. That small piece absorbed over 200 hits from varying handgun rounds, 9 mm through .45. Not a single round penetrated. Over 200 rounds into a 12 inch square piece and not one single penetration.
mntrpr  [Member]
6/4/2009 6:57:29 PM
Originally Posted By SultanOfBrunei:

They are legal to own if you are legal to own one (aka: if you are eligible to possess a firearm, you may own a vest.)


They are illegal to own/possess if you are in the process of committing a felony.

Are those federal laws?




MN State Statute,

609.486 COMMISSION OF CRIME WHILE WEARING OR POSSESSING BULLET-RESISTANT VEST.

A person who commits or attempts to commit a gross misdemeanor or felony while wearing or possessing a bullet-resistant vest is guilty of a felony and, upon conviction, shall be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than five years or to payment of a fine of not more than $10,000, or both. Notwithstanding section 609.04, a prosecution for or conviction under this section is not a bar to conviction of or punishment for any other crime committed by the defendant as part of the same conduct.

As used in this section, "bullet-resistant vest" means a bullet-resistant garment that provides ballistic and trauma protection.
History:

1990 c 439 s 1


SultanOfBrunei  [Member]
6/4/2009 7:08:50 PM
Originally Posted By mntrpr:
MN State Statute,

609.486 COMMISSION OF CRIME WHILE WEARING OR POSSESSING BULLET-RESISTANT VEST.
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Man, their search sucks. Thanks for posting that.
builttoughf250  [Team Member]
6/4/2009 10:47:12 PM
a cop buddy of mine brought out an old vest, not sure of age, and we shot it up with my 9mm and his .40 cal. somehow my 9mm penetrated it.

good thing i didnt wear it for my .380
norseman1  [Team Member]
6/5/2009 12:33:00 AM
Folks will run across some folks at the gunshows selling really crappy/poorly cared for BPVs.

One clown wanted $400 for a Level II vest.

I just about laughed...

Yes, you must take care of them. My LEO family members are told by their respective depts. that an old vest is not to be trusted.

WRT the fact that a 9mm bullet went through, that doesn't surprise me.


rn22723  [Team Member]
6/5/2009 12:37:57 AM
Solf Body Armor is the correct term, as most concealble body armor will be penetrated with the right round........hence not BULLET PROOF or KNIFE PROOF.
Make sure it is of a reputable brand, Second Chance has had some problems in the past...........and do not wear a hard trauma plate.......acts like a nice deflector into the head...
Streichers  [Industry Partner]
6/5/2009 10:53:46 AM
Originally Posted By rn22723:
Solf Body Armor is the correct term, as most concealble body armor will be penetrated with the right round........hence not BULLET PROOF or KNIFE PROOF.
Make sure it is of a reputable brand, Second Chance has had some problems in the past...........and do not wear a hard trauma plate.......acts like a nice deflector into the head...


Second Chance does good work, but it did have some issues a few years back It was the largest company but there were quite a few that used a material called Zylon as a bullet resistant material. This Material was used in some of the second chance vests between 2000 and 2005. in 2006-07, Second Chance had a buy back program where they replaced all the zylon containing vests.

NY Times article about Zylon




norseman1  [Team Member]
6/5/2009 11:22:57 AM
Good link... I new they had a recall due to early breakdown of a material they had used. Didn't ever find out the full story until just now. Thanks!
traprmike  [Member]
6/7/2009 2:19:10 AM
Originally Posted By GoBlue:
They are illegal to own/possess if you are in the process of committing a felony.


This is correct.. anybody doing legal activities can wear one.. Just not while commiting a felony.
traprmike  [Member]
6/7/2009 2:25:46 AM
Originally Posted By SultanOfBrunei:

They are legal to own if you are legal to own one (aka: if you are eligible to possess a firearm, you may own a vest.)


They are illegal to own/possess if you are in the process of committing a felony.

Are those federal laws?



MN statute:https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/statutes/?id=609.486&year=2008&keyword_type=any&keyword=bullet+vest

609.486 COMMISSION OF CRIME WHILE WEARING OR POSSESSING BULLET-RESISTANT VEST.

A person who commits or attempts to commit a gross misdemeanor or felony while wearing or possessing a bullet-resistant vest is guilty of a felony and, upon conviction, shall be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than five years or to payment of a fine of not more than $10,000, or both. Notwithstanding section 609.04, a prosecution for or conviction under this section is not a bar to conviction of or punishment for any other crime committed by the defendant as part of the same conduct.

As used in this section, "bullet-resistant vest" means a bullet-resistant garment that provides ballistic and trauma protection.
mcnielsen  [Team Member]
6/7/2009 12:37:41 PM
Yeah, so if you commit a felony in Minnesota, just remember not to do it while wearing body armor or you will REALLY get in trouble...

Thanks, lawmakers!!!
BenWa  [Member]
6/14/2009 7:20:17 PM
Originally Posted By mcnielsen:
Yeah, so if you commit a felony in Minnesota, just remember not to do it while wearing body armor or you will REALLY get in trouble...

Thanks, lawmakers!!!


It is an additional felony charge
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