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Angelshare1  [Member]
7/21/2006 2:02:06 PM
Where can you get cheap hand gun ammo around the twin cities? I just bought my very first gun, a Bersa Thunder .380. The best I found was Remington green and white box 95 grain for 9 bucks at Wal-Mart. (I think it was on sale) I've been shopping around at Gander, Sportsman Warehouse, and Cabellas but they are all quite pricey.

I'm using it just for target shooting, no protection or anything like that so I just need some good cheap ammo in high quantities.

Can you order ammo online and have it shipped to MN? Is that legal? If so, anyone have any good websites for that?

Also what's the deal with registration? I always hear about unregistered guns in the movies but you don't have to register in MN do you??? (I have my permit to buy.) Is this just a "Hollywood Law" that is confusing me?

I just fired my first gun about a month ago and I'm still learning so I hope all you guys bear with me and don't mind me asking a lot of quetions.

Thanks!



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GoBlue  [Team Member]
7/21/2006 2:10:16 PM
First welcome (I can't find the welcome smiley), so you get

.380 ammo is harder to find deals on. Online you can try Sprotsmansguide.com or Natchezss. There are tons of online places and it is a-ok to order online and have it shipped to you. You just have to meet the min. age requirement.

I'll let you in on one of the most important lessons of gun ownership: when you see a deal on ammo buy more than you an afford. Ammo is something to be hoarded and whored.

Second lesson: you need more than one gun

Third lesson: if there ever was a gun registration, then the answer is "sorry officer, but I lost my guns in a boating accident". Fortunatley in MN there is not a registration.
dpmmn  [Team Member]
7/21/2006 2:36:38 PM

Originally Posted By GoBlue:
First welcome (I can't find the welcome smiley), so you get

.380 ammo is harder to find deals on. Online you can try Sprotsmansguide.com or Natchezss. There are tons of online places and it is a-ok to order online and have it shipped to you. You just have to meet the min. age requirement.

I'll let you in on one of the most important lessons of gun ownership: when you see a deal on ammo buy more than you an afford. Ammo is something to be hoarded and whored.

Second lesson: you need more than one gun

Third lesson: if there ever was a gun registration, then the answer is "sorry officer, but I lost my guns in a boating accident". Fortunatley in MN there is not a registration.



Listin to this man he knows what he is talking about


Welcome aboard!!
MNGuns  [Team Member]
7/21/2006 4:46:52 PM

Originally Posted By GoBlue:

I'll let you in on one of the most important lessons of gun ownership: when you see a deal on ammo buy more than you an afford. Ammo is something to be hoarded and whored.

No doubt about it.

Second lesson: you need many more than one gun

Amen




..Welcome.
GoBlue  [Team Member]
7/21/2006 4:49:56 PM

Originally Posted By dpmmn:



Listin to this man he knows what he is talking about




what can I say... I am a good student
GoBlue  [Team Member]
7/21/2006 4:53:32 PM

Originally Posted By Angelshare1:

I just fired my first gun about a month ago and I'm still learning so I hope all you guys bear with me and don't mind me asking a lot of quetions.






The only exception to the ammo whoring rule (buy more than you can afford, then buy even more) is to spend money on training. Fortunately, there is some great training right here in MN.
So, in addition to the three lessons above... lesson 4 is to get some quality training. A good way to whore while training is to buy 2x the amount of ammo you need for the training.
FedGunner  [Team Member]
7/22/2006 12:04:52 AM

Originally Posted By GoBlue:

Originally Posted By Angelshare1:

I just fired my first gun about a month ago and I'm still learning so I hope all you guys bear with me and don't mind me asking a lot of quetions.






The only exception to the ammo whoring rule (buy more than you can afford, then buy even more) is to spend money on training. Fortunately, there is some great training right here in MN.
So, in addition to the three lessons above... lesson 4 is to get some quality training. A good way to whore while training is to buy 2x the amount of ammo you need for the training.


You have learned well weedhoppa. Soon you will be ready for the rice paper and burny bits.
dpmmn  [Team Member]
7/22/2006 1:01:02 AM
The True Rule of Ammo Whoring is this:

1. If you buy a 1,000 rounds of Ammo, set aside 500 rounds for a rainy day. Use the other 500 for shooting

2. If you buy 2,000 rounds of Ammo, set aside 1,000 rounds for a rainy day. Use the other 1,000 for shooting

3. If you can only afford 500 rounds of Ammo, set aside 250 rounds. Use the other 250 rounds for shooting

This is the best way to become a Ammo Whore.

Dont ask me how I know this, but it does work
Cataclysm  [Team Member]
7/22/2006 1:23:09 AM

Originally Posted By dpmmn:
The True Rule of Ammo Whoring is this:

1. If you buy a 1,000 rounds of Ammo, set aside 500 rounds for a rainy day. Use the other 500 for shooting

2. If you buy 2,000 rounds of Ammo, set aside 1,000 rounds for a rainy day. Use the other 1,000 for shooting

3. If you can only afford 500 rounds of Ammo, set aside 250 rounds. Use the other 250 rounds for shooting

This is the best way to become a Ammo Whore.

Dont ask me how I know this, but it does work


Or do like me. Buy a 1000 round case of ammo, forget where the hell you put it, only to find it months later and be completely surprised thinking, "Damn, I thought I shot all this stuff. I was moving some stuff around in a closet today and stumbled on some brass cased 7.62x39 that had fallen behind some stuff. I must have bought it at least 3 years ago. Its like Christmas around here all the time. Too bad I think the screen name scatterbrain was already taken.
MNGuns  [Team Member]
7/22/2006 9:32:51 AM
I too have opened the closet and asked "where the hell did I get this.?", or popped an ammo can I thought was full of something else. Makes for happy days....
dpmmn  [Team Member]
7/23/2006 11:26:22 PM

Originally Posted By Cataclysm:

Or do like me. Buy a 1000 round case of ammo, forget where the hell you put it, only to find it months later and be completely surprised thinking, "Damn, I thought I shot all this stuff. I was moving some stuff around in a closet today and stumbled on some brass cased 7.62x39 that had fallen behind some stuff. I must have bought it at least 3 years ago. Its like Christmas around here all the time. Too bad I think the screen name scatterbrain was already taken.



I found 2 cases of XM193 behind the back seat of my pick up a couple of years ago

The funny thing is that I never remembered putting it there
Srigs  [Member]
7/24/2006 12:33:10 AM
Welcome to the forum!

The Bersa Thunder 380 is a great little gun. I would suggest checking out Fleet Farms because they have some good deals one a month at least! I picked up UMC 9mm for 29.99 and 40 for 39.99 for 250 rounds. Hope this helps.
mcnielsen  [Team Member]
7/24/2006 4:15:10 AM
Paging InUhBad!

Welcome to ARFCOM MN HTF. We are generally nice here and we like to shoot. Try to get as much trigger time as you can with that Bersa .380, and you should take some training classes as well. We all do.

m-dc  [Team Member]
7/24/2006 2:23:58 PM
Hey! Welcome aboard! as far as we are all nice people speak for yourself mcnielsen.













JK bro
mcnielsen  [Team Member]
7/24/2006 3:46:56 PM
well, at least I didn't post THIS picture:



I didn't want to scare him away right yet...
m-dc  [Team Member]
7/24/2006 4:24:06 PM





brianengy  [Member]
7/24/2006 5:06:38 PM

I will check when I get home but I have some .380 I would sell you. I also have a Bersa, good gun but I now reload for my .40s. I'm guessing I have around 5 or 6 boxes. I'll let you know how many I have iif you are interested.
iNuhBaDNayburhood  [Moderator]
7/24/2006 5:41:10 PM
First off, I'd like to say Welcome to ARFCOM!

I think you'll find the Bersa Thunder 380 a decent little gun for your first one... I bought a Bersa 380 for my first handgun, and my primary CCW Gun in the spring of 2003. I blasted quite a few rounds through that thing!

I'm sure you'll probably like it!

Here's my Analysis:
Pros:
VERY GOOD concealability.
EXTREMELY accurate considering barrel size (accuracy comes from fixed barrel)
Reliable feeding with many DEFENSIVE HOLLOW POINTS (Mine ABSOLUTELY LOVED Federal HydraShok hollow points)!
VERY GOOD Warranty.
WARRANTY SERVICE REPAIR SHOP IN MN (Ahlman's near Morristown MN).

Cons:
Cast Parts Quality. A couple parts are made of cast steel, and had broken over time due to VERY hard use & abuse on my part.
Finish wear on Duo-Tone model's slide. The finish wears off rather quickly when doing a lot of holster use with a polymer holster. Just keep the slide & steel parts oiled lightly to keep any rust from forming.

Overall, I think it's a great starter pistol, and it served me well for carrying ~2-3 years. It ate most rounds, but it was picky with FMJ Plinking ammo. Winchester 'white box' ammo, Remington FMJ ammo, and almost all Russian or surplus 380 ammo would be 'underpowered' for cycling the slide (spring is meant to handle 'hotter' defensive hollow point ammo). Thus you might get Fail to Feed jams with FMJ Ball ammo that's loaded a bit on the light side.

I suggest using Winchester White box for cheap target ammo, test SEVERAL boxes of various hollow point defensive ammo to see what feeds & fires best for carry ammo (I'd bet you'll have no problem with Federal HydraShoks), or load your own 380 ammo for the cheapest practice ammo you can get (with 100% reliability and good accuracy).

I can maybe track down my 'ammo diet' file listing what ammo I tested in the firearm, and its failures/issues with said ammo & firearm.

If any parts ever break on the firearm, you can take it down to Alhman's in the Morristown MN area and they'll usually fix it 100% free under warranty if anything happens.

Welcome to the insanity that is ARFCOM! Check in often & add to our discussion!

-inuhbad
Angelshare1  [Member]
7/26/2006 9:19:55 AM
Wow, thanks for all the replies. I'll have to watch the Fleet Farm sales. Actually I found a solution to my cheap ammo struggle. I think I will buy a .22 pistol and get good with that nice cheap ammo. I still shake a bit when I pull the trigger so I got to work on that.

Cheers guys and gals!
GoBlue  [Team Member]
7/26/2006 10:18:09 AM

Originally Posted By Angelshare1:
Wow, thanks for all the replies. I'll have to watch the Fleet Farm sales. Actually I found a solution to my cheap ammo struggle. I think I will buy a .22 pistol and get good with that nice cheap ammo. I still shake a bit when I pull the trigger so I got to work on that.

Cheers guys and gals!


You could get a Glock 9mm with a .22 conversion kit so you can get used to the trigger pull
rn22723  [Team Member]
7/26/2006 10:19:13 AM
I always implore new shooters to get a decent 22 pistol. Every skill you need can built upon the 22 pistol practice. Grip, sight alignment, trigger press, and follow through! All those skills transcend the calibers!

The Ruger MK II/III and Browning Buckmarks are good values. Get something with decent sight radius like about 5in bbl so you can work on things and expect decent accuracy!

Ahlmans in Morristown does a nice trigger job for abou 60 bucks! That would really enhance your practice sessions. But, beyond that get some training. And, I hate to say it! But, in truth getting a 9mm geelock ie G19 might be better for CCW. Ammo is pretty cheap for now, much cheaper then 380 ammo! It has better ergo's! And, it is a hearty gun, whereas that can not be said for other guns!
GoBlue  [Team Member]
7/26/2006 10:19:44 AM

Originally Posted By Angelshare1:

Cheers guys and gals!


No gals here unless you count the goat.
iNuhBaDNayburhood  [Moderator]
7/26/2006 5:35:15 PM
I also suggest the purchase of a Glock 9mm (19 or 17), maybe a 22 conversion or a 22 pistol by itself.

If you knew me better you'd realize my recommending a Glock is not a statement thrown out on a whim (I'm a 1911 Lover; but had to make the switch).

The Bersa is a good gun, but it doesn't have the longevity to withstand the abuse of moderate to high amounts of shooting. I learned the hard way with TWO pistols that Alloy framed handguns were meant to be fired a little for practice, and Carried for defense.

I've worn out BOTH my 380 and my Colt 1911 CCO (also aluminum framed) by firing them more than they could handle. Would I buy another Bersa 380? Definitely, but I'd only practice with it, and Carry it in summer weather.

I'm not sure where U live, but if it's in the Cities, check the Gunstop, The Frontiersman, and Bills Gunshop & Range (and Bills North) for a used Glock 9mm. When I bought my G17 NEW at Bills North, I passed up a LIGHTLY USED G19 at Bills in Rosemount (Only because I wanted the 17rd mags, full grip, & accessory rail; so I bought new) for ~$420. I bought the full-size because I was used to carrying a 1911, and the G17 is almost the exact same size as my Colt CCO (and I'm a pretty skinny guy and still manage to hide it).

Higher Capacity mags (less reloading), lighter recoil, and a more 'tolerable' trigger pull than Walthers, USPs, etc., when I add the '- Minus' 3.5 pound disconnector. I also like that I can detail strip it into about 23 parts instead of the 48 parts of my Colt (only problem is it takes a ***TOOL*** to detail strip; Certainly not as good in that area as the 1911). I can hear it now, Paul's thinking, "YOU ARE A TOOL, Inuhbad!"

Trust me though. 7 rds of .380 Federal HydraShok rounds well placed will stop just about any man. I suggest dry firing with your .380 (use SNAP CAPS though so you don't stress/damage the firing pin) until your eyes & hands don't flinch in the least when firing it. It must become second nature to improve accuracy & get rid of the flinch.

I hope you manage to make it out to one of our local shoots and get to meet everyone, make some new friends, try some new guns (and even some machine guns), etc... The MN Board has a pretty good little community of shooters and friends.

Once again, Welcome!!!

-inuhbad
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