Shipping a rifle to an FFL in KY
Hi, I moved back in with my mom to KY in July so that I could go to school and not have to worry about a sitter or rent etc. I maintained a VA drivers license, voter registration card and CCW since I planned on moving back and honestly KY DL's don’t look as cool as VA's new ones. I finally got a KY DL earlier this month for a job but still have all my VA identification. I know you’re not supposed to keep more than one DL but I am anyways, if you’ve ever seen the new VA license you would understand. (There part clear and all high tech'ed out) I am in the process of getting a new CCW and voter reg. here but that’s ganna be a little ways away.
Anyways I just bought a new ACR which I’ve wanted for years now and I have to have it sent to an FFL. I’m wondering what forms of ID do I need here in KY? I know when I renewed my license one time in VA they told me I had to wait six months since my IDs issue date was only a couple weeks old. And obviously my KY DL has a new issue date as well. I talked to one store who side it didn’t matter to them but another store told me it mattered. Also what else do I need? In VA I just use either my voters ID or my CCW but I don’t have those here yet. So what else could I use? Or should I not risk sending it here and send it to VA since I have all the proper IDs. Although I’m not sure I can afford to drive 10hrs away lol I need advice what should I do?
Also, is there a reference or something that I can get FFL info from? The gun store here called 1.11 in Louisville is closed and I have to send the FFL info ASAP.
Thank you in advance,
Dustin
You just have to have a current license with you actual address on it where your living which needs to match the 4473 address. Other than that, the background check is just called in. So if your living in KY, with a KY id your good to go
Originally Posted By EKUJustice:
You just have to have a current license with you actual address on it where your living which needs to match the 4473 address. Other than that, the background check is just called in. So if your living in KY, with a KY id your good to go
Do I need a second form of ID with an address like in VA? Do they check the issue date of the ID?
Does anyone know the FFL info for the store I listed? I know thats a long shot question but they're closed till monday so its worth a shot.
Originally Posted By PFC_Dustin:
Do I need a second form of ID with an address like in VA? NO Do they check the issue date of the ID? NO
Does anyone know the FFL info for the store I listed? I know thats a long shot question but they're closed till monday so its worth a shot.
No but you can try looking
HereIf you hadn't looked into the KY CCDW yet, you'll need to be a resident for 6 months before you can begin the application process. Post pics of your ACR!
Originally Posted By EM901:
If you hadn't looked into the KY CCDW yet, you'll need to be a resident for 6 months before you can begin the application process. Post pics of your ACR!
Ive been here over 6 months now, I got here in June or July, Ive been using my Va one in the mean time since it works in KY.
I will post pics Im pretty excited.
Originally Posted By airgunner:
Originally Posted By PFC_Dustin:
Do I need a second form of ID with an address like in VA? NO Do they check the issue date of the ID? NO
Does anyone know the FFL info for the store I listed? I know thats a long shot question but they're closed till monday so its worth a shot.
No but you can try looking
Here
thanks for the info but no luck there.
Just take your DL to a Kentucky dealer and buy the rifle there. If you must have it transfered just have a dealer near you fax the dealer with the gun their ffl, pay for shipping, pay for transfer fee, and then take your government issued ID with current address and pick the gun up when it arrives.
The driver's license is the only Id needed. If you had your KY carry permitt that would substitute calling in the background check(would still fill out the 4473).
Originally Posted By Jeep29:
Just take your DL to a Kentucky dealer and buy the rifle there. If you must have it transfered just have a dealer near you fax the dealer with the gun their ffl, pay for shipping, pay for transfer fee, and then take your government issued ID with current address and pick the gun up when it arrives.
Im buying from an individual person online located in Ohio, So does he have to go through an FFL holder in his state to transfer here? Or can he just send it straight to a dealer here?
The driver's license is the only Id needed. If you had your KY carry permitt that would substitute calling in the background check(would still fill out the 4473).
Ive only got my VA CCW so that wont work. But if I only need the one form of ID here I'll be fine.
With the non KY permit, the background check is just called in no biggy. It depends on who is receiving the gun. Some won't accept it from an individual. Others will with a copy of their DL sent
Right but it looked like you just recently took a KY DL, which is when your residency actually started. Not a lawyer and don't play one on TV but I would think since you became a KY resident your VA permit is null and void therefore not recognized in KY.
ETA: When I moved here from WV they were adamant that I surrender my WV license. Just trying to look out for you.
Originally Posted By EM901:
Right but it looked like you just recently took a KY DL, which is when your residency actually started. Not a lawyer and don't play one on TV but I would think since you became a KY resident your VA permit is null and void therefore not recognized in KY.
ETA: When I moved here from WV they were adamant that I surrender my WV license. Just trying to look out for you.
Unless its a non-resident license you are correct. Virginia does have a non-resident permit but I don't know much about it. I do know if you are a Kentucky resident and move out of the Commonwealth your CCDW license becomes worthless.
Both of you are right but I dont carry my Ky DL just the VA one. Its not 100% ok but hopfully the Ky CCW will be quick. I also dont get into trouble or even pulled over at least not in the past 10 years. Like I said, bad situation for me, but not the worst and Ill be out of it soon.
Also they did want me to surrender my Va ID because you cant carry more than one but I collect my IDs from each state I live in, and I dont carry both.
I dont know for sure thats its voided because I also have an address in Va still I just dont live there right now.
How long does the Ky process take? Va takes about 20-30 days.
It can take up to 4 months from the day you take your class, but it seldom does.
sounds like you're playing a potentually expensive game. Be careful.
I know I am Im not completely ok with it my self, but at least in Va my CCW save my family more than once unfortunatley.
Really 4 months? thats crazy. In Va, if the permit takes over 30 days they have to issue you a temp.
Whats the standard amount of time it takes?
You'll have to be a KY reside t for six months, them take the class and begin the application process. When you go to the Sheriff's office they'll ask for proof of residency. You have a relatively new KY DL indicating you haven't been a resident long enough to meet the requirement for our CCDW permit. The application process itself will probably take around 90 days. You're playing a risky game claiming residence in two states all for, what appears to be, keeping a permit. You live in KY, work in KY, go to school in KY, and pay taxes in KY. Where is your vehicle registered?
Originally Posted By EM901:
You'll have to be a KY reside t for six months, them take the class and begin the application process. When you go to the Sheriff's office they'll ask for proof of residency. You have a relatively new KY DL indicating you haven't been a resident long enough to meet the requirement for our CCDW permit. The application process itself will probably take around 90 days. You're playing a risky game claiming residence in two states all for, what appears to be, keeping a permit. You live in KY, work in KY, go to school in KY, and pay taxes in KY. Where is your vehicle registered?
I have proof of residency going back to July in the form of credit card bills and going back to Sept. in the form of school tuition and financial aid. Are any of those acceptable forms of proof of residency? Can I not use my training certificates from VA to get the CCW here? I have a VA-DCJS armed guard certification and then there’s my DD214. I just recently got a KY DL because I wasn’t sure if I was going to stay here, I also didn’t have a job until I made that decision which is why I got the DL lol.
I’m actually claiming residency in two states because of the Army. I’ve been working with the recruiting CO where my other address is for the past 2 years now and if I officially move I’ll be dropped. It’s complicated but my VA address is a legit address. I spent fall break and Christmas there and I’ll go back for spring break and after summer classes. My car is also registered and inspected in VA still. I actually didn’t really decide to stay here past the New Years until I signed up for spring classes in Dec. and still I might leave for good in the fall. So like I said it’s complicated.
Also the permit is really important to me. I’m not sure what it’s like here but I was understating my experiences when I said "in VA my CCW saved my family more than once". I’ve never fired my weapon but at least once I wasn’t fast enough on my presentation and my wife took a blow to the face from a burglar. So I cling to it from experience.
I am worried about it more now though, I thought it would be a 10 or 20 day wait not 3 months. I have some thinking to do.
Originally Posted By EKUJustice:
With the non KY permit, the background check is just called in no biggy. It depends on who is receiving the gun. Some won't accept it from an individual. Others will with a copy of their DL sent
The seller confirmed he was shipping it himself. Are there any forms he needs to send with the gun? The only out of state transfer Ive done was from an out of state dealer so I dont want this to get screwed up.
Sounds like to me from your description that you are a student in Kentucky with a primary residence of Virginia. Having dual drivers license can get you into a little trouble with the Kentucky State Police as they will run a thorough check on you during a traffic violation ( Ky drivers lisc, and vehicle registered in Va.). The state in which you pay property taxes, registered to vote etc. can be used to determine primary residence. You will have to take the CCDW Training in Kentucky once you become a permanent resident. Your military primary residence ( correct me if I am wrong) is not in two places. You should have military papers stating your stationed residence. If prior to being in the Military your residence was Ky. then you could use that as a permanent residence status.
BravoCharlie
Originally Posted By BravoCharlie:
Sounds like to me from your description that you are a student in Kentucky with a primary residence of Virginia. Having dual drivers license can get you into a little trouble with the Kentucky State Police as they will run a thorough check on you during a traffic violation ( Ky drivers lisc, and vehicle registered in Va.). The state in which you pay property taxes, registered to vote etc. can be used to determine primary residence. You will have to take the CCDW Training in Kentucky once you become a permanent resident. Your military primary residence ( correct me if I am wrong) is not in two places. You should have military papers stating your stationed residence. If prior to being in the Military your residence was Ky. then you could use that as a permanent residence status.
BravoCharlie
Im not in the military anymore Im just trying to get back in and its been a two year process so far so I cant derail it by changing my address with them. Also I decided in Dec I was going to stay here for the time being so thats when I got a job here and got the DL. But Ive live here since June. I havnt decided yet on the registration for my car, I figured I'd switch that over when it expires. But like I said I might be leaving again in the fall so it might not happen. Im actually not sure about how my 2011 taxes will be paid. I worked in VA till May then in Aug I started getting financial aid as a resident in Ky I think. Ill hav to get help with that. For 2012 though my taxes will be all in KY. No personal property tax because Im renting the house in VA from family. I see your point about the DL so Ill stop using the VA DL and start with the KY but like I said I havnt been pulled over in 10years and havent had an accident ever so its not likely I'll be pulled over as long as Murphy stays away, Im more worried about my CCW though. I found a class thats going on this weekend but I didnt think I had to do that because of what Ive already got in terms of training certificates. Im also going to wait to change my voter registration till I know whats going on in the fall. Which should be within the next month or so.
Anyways back on topic, which is this question since Im setting it all up today....
The seller confirmed he was shipping it himself. Are there any forms he needs to send with the gun? The only out of state transfer Ive done was from an out of state dealer so I dont want this to get screwed up.
A friendly piece of advice. KY is cracking down on residents registering their car in another state, and you are asking to get busted.
Really why? I didnt think that was a big deal or even against the law. My mom and a quite a few people that came here on the BRAC have VA plates still too.
And it is folks like that KY is cracking down on. It's costing KY money, and it is against the law. I'm not saying I agree with it, just that the law exists, and you are the person they are targeting.
I just mentioned it to more people and no one seems to know that its even bad. How would they enforce that with out pulling over everyone from out of state, which I dont think is completely legal.
Id hate to ask this but is KY really a good place to live? So far Ive had serious issues with the school system for my daughters and my brother, and its not really cool that the CCW permit doesnt have a limit to how long it can take. I really want to like it and I do like a lot of things but theres something about the govt here that that seems fishy. Is it just me since Im new?
Originally Posted By PFC_Dustin:
Id hate to ask this but is KY really a good place to live? So far Ive had serious issues with the school system for my daughters and my brother, and its not really cool that the CCW permit doesnt have a limit to how long it can take. I really want to like it and I do like a lot of things but theres something about the govt here that that seems fishy. Is it just me since Im new?
Since you asked, yes, Kentucky is a great place to live.
I don't know about your school issues but everything else seems to revolve around your efforts to circumvent the law.
There is a limit on how long it takes to get your CCDW license in Ky. Each phase has specific limits established by law. The instuructor MUST forward class materials to the DOCJT within 5 working days. The Sheriff MUST forward your application to the KSP within 5 working days, etc. As I mentioned above, the process may, by law, take up to 4 months...but it rarely does. I don't see anything fishy about that.
As for the driver's license, Kentucky Revised Statues 186.435 states "Application for operator's license by driver who becomes Kentucky resident –– Verification of status in other jurisdiction –– Procedures for permanent residents.
(1) A licensed driver who becomes a Kentucky resident shall, within thirty (30) days of establishing residency, apply for a Kentucky operator's license in the office of the circuit clerk in the county where the person has established his or her domicile." Seems pretty clear to me. Its the law and it looks like you know lots of folks violating it. Regardless of if you like it or not its still the law and there's nothing fishy about it..
Please don't be offended by my comments. You seem to be a nice guy transitioning and we are offering advice to help.
Don't know where you are in KY but for the most part it is a nice place to live. Things tend to be more relaxed the further you get from the golden triangle. We have some great public school systems and some in need of major improvement. The cost of living is reasonable and we're 6-8 hours from multiple major metropolitan areas (Chicago, Atlanta, DC, Nashville, St. Louis, etc). I like it.
Originally Posted By EM901:
Please don't be offended by my comments. You seem to be a nice guy transitioning and we are offering advice to help.
Don't know where you are in KY but for the most part it is a nice place to live. Things tend to be more relaxed the further you get from the golden triangle. We have some great public school systems and some in need of major improvement. The cost of living is reasonable and we're 6-8 hours from multiple major metropolitan areas (Chicago, Atlanta, DC, Nashville, St. Louis, etc). I like it.
Dont worry Im not offended, quite the opposite Im taking all your advice.
Since you asked, yes, Kentucky is a great place to live.
I don't know about your school issues but everything else seems to revolve around your efforts to circumvent the law.
There is a limit on how long it takes to get your CCDW license in Ky. Each phase has specific limits established by law. The instuructor MUST forward class materials to the DOCJT within 5 working days. The Sheriff MUST forward your application to the KSP within 5 working days, etc. As I mentioned above, the process may, by law, take up to 4 months...but it rarely does. I don't see anything fishy about that.
As for the driver's license, Kentucky Revised Statues 186.435 states "Application for operator's license by driver who becomes Kentucky resident –– Verification of status in other jurisdiction –– Procedures for permanent residents.
(1) A licensed driver who becomes a Kentucky resident shall, within thirty (30) days of establishing residency, apply for a Kentucky operator's license in the office of the circuit clerk in the county where the person has established his or her domicile." Seems pretty clear to me. Its the law and it looks like you know lots of folks violating it. Regardless of if you like it or not its still the law and there's nothing fishy about it..
I have recently found a site that shows school system rates and my daughters is really bad but we had already decided to move them and today was their last day.
It’s not fishy once you break it down, I was thinking that there was no set amount of time and they could take however long they want which could possibly circumvent a shall issue system.
I haven’t been purposely trying to circumvent the law I just haven’t been thinking about it, and I haven’t had any issues at all really.
The people I know have VA tags still, I never asked about their DLs. I know my mom still has hers from VA. I was saying that I didn’t know it was illegal to have out of state tags (which is what he was saying they are cracking down on) and I’m still not sure it is illegal to have out of state tags and it seems hard to enforce without pulling over everyone from out of state. But it does cost money to switch the tags and I’m not doing great right now so that I will still put off but I’m not using my VA DL anymore.
Also just to play devil’s advocate, being the Law doesn’t make said law not fishy. VA is full of laws designed just to make the state money and are "fishy" and they screw people over. If laws aren’t questioned ever just because there a law then any law doing anything can be made. It actually happened in VA a while back, the laws made it a felony for reckless driving and a misdemeanor for any other ticket but after 3 tickets you got a felony. The laws were over turned pretty quick but what if no one questioned them?
Take all of this for what it's worth...
I've lived in 3 different states, NJ, FL and here in KY but due to close friends, family etc. I'm also pretty familiar with SC, PA and OH. Now keep in mind all states have their pluses and minuses (even CA) but out of those 6 states, when all things are considered I feel that KY is the overall best place to live and raise a family. I also believe KY is the most "free" state out of those with the least amount of "hokey" or "questionable" laws.
As for the license plate issue, you hit on one of the few aspects of KY where most other states have us beat. Almost all states charge a yearly vehicle registration fee, usually of around $30-$40. KY's is only $25 (IIRC?) but on top of that, KY also charges a 6% "Motor Vehicle Usage Tax" which depending on what type of car you drive and how new it is can be rather expensive. That tax is why most people I know of who live here and still have out of state tags do it. According to KY law, even if you are not a KY resident, you are still supposed to register your car in KY if the car is primarily used in this state. Now how can they enforce that one I have no clue but in your case its easy. No they are not going to specifically pull over everybody with out of state tags but if they pull you over and you hand them a KY license and a VA registration card, they are going to cite you for not having proper registration. At which point you will have 30days to register your car in KY or pay the fine.
As for the schools, you can't can't judge a whole school district on one school and you can't judge a states who education system on one school or school district. In any school district some schools may be better the others and I guarantee you some school districts in KY are better then others. Something else I can guarantee, no public school in any district in any US state is all that great. If you are really concerned about your kids education you better either send them to a private school (which depending on the school is no guarantee either), home school them (assuming you have the time and intelligence to do it right) are at least assume you responsibility as a parent to teach your kids the stuff they do not teach them in school (or in some case, correct some of the BS they have learned in school).
One last point, it's also hard to judge a whole state based on your experience with one small part of it. I live in Northern KY area and I can tell you this area is much different the either the Lexington or Lousiville areas and all 3 of them are nothing like some of the more remote parts of the the state. Each area has it's own "norms" and "feel".
Check with the receiving dealer as to what he needs from the guy who is shipping it. I would also check to make sure the dealer will accept it from an individual(several accept them from dealers only). My guess would be if they will accept it from an individual they will want a copy of his driver's license with the gun which is a VERY standard request
Originally Posted By airgunner:
Take all of this for what it's worth...
I've lived in 3 different states, NJ, FL and here in KY but due to close friends, family etc. I'm also pretty familiar with SC, PA and OH. Now keep in mind all states have their pluses and minuses (even CA) but out of those 6 states, when all things are considered I feel that KY is the overall best place to live and raise a family. I also believe KY is the most "free" state out of those with the least amount of "hokey" or "questionable" laws.
As for the license plate issue, you hit on one of the few aspects of KY where most other states have us beat. Almost all states charge a yearly vehicle registration fee, usually of around $30-$40. KY's is only $25 (IIRC?) but on top of that, KY also charges a 6% "Motor Vehicle Usage Tax" which depending on what type of car you drive and how new it is can be rather expensive. That tax is why most people I know of who live here and still have out of state tags do it. According to KY law, even if you are not a KY resident, you are still supposed to register your car in KY if the car is primarily used in this state. Now how can they enforce that one I have no clue but in your case its easy. No they are not going to specifically pull over everybody with out of state tags but if they pull you over and you hand them a KY license and a VA registration card, they are going to cite you for not having proper registration. At which point you will have 30days to register your car in KY or pay the fine.
As for the schools, you can't can't judge a whole school district on one school and you can't judge a states who education system on one school or school district. In any school district some schools may be better the others and I guarantee you some school districts in KY are better then others. Something else I can guarantee, no public school in any district in any US state is all that great. If you are really concerned about your kids education you better either send them to a private school (which depending on the school is no guarantee either), home school them (assuming you have the time and intelligence to do it right) are at least assume you responsibility as a parent to teach your kids the stuff they do not teach them in school (or in some case, correct some of the BS they have learned in school).
One last point, it's also hard to judge a whole state based on your experience with one small part of it. I live in Northern KY area and I can tell you this area is much different the either the Lexington or Lousiville areas and all 3 of them are nothing like some of the more remote parts of the the state. Each area has it's own "norms" and "feel".
I'll have to tell the people I know of that are Keeping their VA tags about that. What is the tax a percentage of exactly?
I'm not saying I dont like KY so don't get me wrong I'm just weary because I've moved to some crappy places that seemed nice. I'm not too fond of Elizabethtown so far, but other cities Ive been to are a lot better. And KY does have awesome skies at sunset and sunrise and storms are pretty cool here. So I'm giving it a chance and I do like it here so far. I just need to find places to shoot more freely and run drills like I had in VA and I'll be happy. And a store that sells gunpowder and primers lol
Check with the receiving dealer as to what he needs from the guy who is shipping it. I would also check to make sure the dealer will accept it from an individual(several accept them from dealers only). My guess would be if they will accept it from an individual they will want a copy of his driver's license with the gun which is a VERY standard request
I did and I found E-town Gun Shop and they just need an ID so Im good. Has anyone had any experiences with them?
Etown's a great place to live, and Etown Gun Shop is good folks, though they may be a touch high on things.
Originally Posted By mrstang01:
Etown's a great place to live, and Etown Gun Shop is good folks, though they may be a touch high on things.
Well that’s good now I just have to wait to receive the rifle and deal with the paranoia of being ripped off till it gets to the store lol
