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MisterOuchie  [Team Member]
5/3/2012 12:29:42 PM
Hello! My plan is to move to VT in a few years (I live in NYS now (not NYC!)). I was randomly looking at towns and came across this firearms ordinance for Wallingford:

http://www.wallingfordvt.com/firearms.htm

CHAPTER 1: FIREARMS

§3101. CARRYING AND USE OF FIREARMS

a) No person shall discharge or fire, or cause to be discharged or fired, any revolver, pistol, rifle, shotgun, air rifle, BB gun, or other similar firearm, weapon, or device within the limits of the Fire District No. I of the Village of Wallingford, within five hundred (500) feet of any dwelling, place of business, or other structure within the Village of East Wallingford, or the Village of South Wallingford, hereinafter referred to as “restricted areas,” except as provided hereunder.

b) No person shall carry, have in their possession, or transport in or upon any vehicle, within the limits of the restricted areas set forth in subsection (a) of this Section, any firearm or weapon described in subsection (a) hereof, which has in its firing chamber, magazine, or loading device, live ammunition or other explosive material, or compressed air or gas, except as provided hereunder.


How common are these kind of restrictions in VT? From (b) above it seems if I were just driving through that town I'd have to unload any firearm AND its magazines. Part of Vermont's appeal to me is its lack of firearm laws. I'm okay with individual towns having restrictions, I'm just wondering how pervasive such restrictions are. Is there any sort of guide to these sort of restrictions in the state?

Thanks.
JAD  [Team Member]
5/3/2012 12:40:59 PM
STATE v. ROSENTHAL.(Supreme Court of Vermont. Rutland. May 30, 1903.)

MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS––ORDINANCES––CARRYING WEAPONS––VALIDITY.

1. Const. c. 1, art. 16, declares that the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the state. V. S. 4922, prohibits any person from carrying a dangerous weapon, openly or concealed, with the intent of injuring another. Section 4923 prohibits a person, while a member of and in attendance on a school, from having in his possession any dangerous weapon. Held, that a city ordinance prohibiting a person from carrying within the city any brass knuckles, pistol, slung shot, or weapon of similar character, or any weapon concealed on his person, without permission of the mayor or chief of police, so far as it relates to the carrying of a pistol under any circumstances without such consent, is repugnant to the Constitution, and to that extent void.
Exceptions from City Court of Rutland; Howe, Judge.

Andrew Rosenthal was convicted of a violation of an ordinance of the city of Rutland, and appeals. Reversed.

Argued before TYLER, MUNSON, START, WATSON, STAFFORD, and HASELTON, JJ.

W. H. Preston, State's Atty., for the State. Joel C. Baker, for respondent.

WATSON, J. Section 10 of the ordinances of the city of Rutland provides that no person shall carry within the city any steel or brass knuckles, pistol, slung shot, stiletto, or weapon of similar character, nor carry any weapon concealed on his person, without permission of the mayor or chief of police, in writing, and for violation thereof a penalty is provided by a subsequent section. A complaint was filed against the respondent in the city court for carrying within the city, in violation of said ordinance, a pistol loaded with powder and bullets, concealed on his person, without such permission. On demurrer to the complaint, the respondent contends, among other things, that said ordinance is illegal, for that, so far as it forbids the carrying of a pistol, it is repugnant to and inconsistent with the Constitution and the laws of this state.

Section 24 of the city charter gives the city council power to make, establish, alter, amend, or repeal ordinances, regulations, and by-laws, not inconsistent with the charter or with the Constitution or laws of the United States or of this state, for the purposes enumerated, and to inflict as a penalty for a violation thereof a fine not exceeding $50. After the special designations is the general clause, "And said city council may make and establish, and the same alter, amend or repeal, any other by-laws, rules and ordinances which they deem necessary for the well being of said city and not repugnant to the Constitution or laws of this state." Power to make the ordinance in question was not expressly given the council, and they had no power to make it, beyond what is given under the general clause above quoted. The people of the state have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the state. Const. c. 1, art. 16. But by V. S. 4922, a person is prohibited from carrying a dangerous or deadly weapon, openly or concealed, with the intent or avowed purpose of injuring a fellow man; and by section 4923, no person can carry or have in his possession any firearm, dirk knife, bowie knife, dagger, or other dangerous or deadly weapon, while a member of and in attendance upon a school. Section 4924 provides a penalty for intentionally, without malice, pointing a firearm toward another person, and for discharging such firearm so pointed, without injury to another person; and by section 4925 a punishment is inflicted where another person is maimed or injured by the discharge of such firearm. But section 4926 provides that the two preceding sections shall not apply where firearms are used in self-defense or in the discharge of official duty, or in the case of justifiable homicide. Under the general laws, therefore, a person not a member of a school may carry a dangerous or deadly weapon, openly or concealed, unless he does (p.611)it with the intent or avowed purpose of injuring another; and a person who is a member of a school, but not in attendance upon it, is at liberty, in a similar way, to carry such weapons. In State v. Carlton, 48 Vt. 636, it was held that the owner of land, having the right to use reasonable force in expelling a trespasser therefrom, had a right to go prepared to defend himself against any assault that the trespasser might make upon him while in the exercise of that right, and that if he only intended to use a pistol in such an emergency in defending his own life, or against the infliction of great bodily harm, the carrying of the pistol for such purpose would be lawful. By the ordinance in question, no person can carry such weapon concealed on his person within the city of Rutland in any circumstances, nor for any purpose, without the permission of the mayor or chief of police in writing. Therein neither the intent nor purpose of carrying them enters into the essential elements of the offense. Simply to carry them concealed without such permission constitutes a violation of the ordinance. But if a permission is procured from either of those officials there is no violation of the ordinance, even though the carrying of the weapon be with the intent or avowed purpose of injuring another person; and that a person is a member of a school, and in attendance upon it, forms no exception. Consequently, unless a special permission is granted by the mayor or chief of police for that purpose, a person is prohibited from carrying such weapons in circumstances where the same is lawful by the Constitution and the general laws of the state; and there is nothing in the ordinance to prevent the granting of such permission, notwithstanding it be in circumstances to constitute a crime under the general laws. The result is that Ordinance No. 10, so far as it relates to the carrying of a pistol, is inconsistent with and repugnant to the Constitution and the laws of the state, and it is therefore to that extent, void. Whether this renders the whole ordinance illegal, or whether it contains any other invalid provisions, are questions not now before the court.

Judgment reversed and sentence set aside, demurrer sustained, complaint adjudged insufficient and quashed, and the respondent discharged and let go without day.
djsmiles  [Team Member]
5/3/2012 4:39:48 PM
i'm sure some VT residents will chime in. but, i would think that the whole part of (b) is a non issue. it's probably one of those laws that is on the books. but no one actually enforces.
theskuh  [Team Member]
5/3/2012 10:09:04 PM
No clue. I didn't think the towns could pass any laws like this. The VT constitution is pretty clear.
JAD  [Team Member]
5/3/2012 10:42:34 PM
Originally Posted By theskuh:
No clue. I didn't think the towns could pass any laws like this. The VT constitution is pretty clear.


The case law that I posted is very clear as well- the local ordinances against carry aren't constitutional. Additionally, prohibitions on possessing and carrying arms are inconsistent with the powers granted to Vermont municipalities pursuant to sections 2291 and are clearly not consistent with section 2295, which provides statutory preemption.

24 VA S. 2295
§ 2295. Authority of municipal and county governments to regulate firearms, ammunition, hunting, fishing and trapping

Except as otherwise provided by law, no town, city or incorporated village, by ordinance, resolution or other enactment, shall directly regulate hunting, fishing and trapping or the possession, ownership, transportation, transfer, sale, purchase, carrying, licensing or registration of traps, firearms, ammunition or components of firearms or ammunition. This section shall not limit the powers conferred upon a town, city or incorporated village under section 2291(8) of this title. The provisions of this section shall supersede any inconsistent provisions of a municipal charter. (Added 1987, No. 178 (Adj. Sess.), eff. May 9, 1988.)


Sec. 2291
For the purpose of promoting the public health, safety, welfare, and convenience, a town, city, or incorporated village shall have the following powers:


24 VSA S. 2291(8) reads
(8) To regulate or prohibit the use or discharge, but not possession of, firearms within the municipality or specified portions thereof, provided that an ordinance adopted under this subdivision shall be consistent with section 2295 of this title and shall not prohibit, reduce, or limit discharge at any existing sport shooting range, as that term is defined in 10 V.S.A. § 5227.



So, it appears that a municipal corporation may regulate the discharge of firearms, though the town may not regulate the carriage, transfer, or require registration of firearm or ammunition.
pickupdan  [Member]
5/4/2012 9:32:23 AM
never been an issue... most carry concealed... some do open carry, just brings unwanted attention.