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 Driving into RI with gun
gwhunter  [Member]
2/3/2012 5:58:37 PM
I recently got my CT carry permit and I know it isn't recip'd with RI. But I'm wondering what the rules are as far as driving with the gun in the vehicle. I work in RI and I'm on call 24/7/365 so I'm concerned that I could get a unexpected call in while carrying and end up crossing the line with the gun in the truck. I've looked on the RI state website but I'm still unsure. I have no intention of carrying on my persons while in RI but is it legal to keep it securely store in my vehicle?

I know when I turkey hunt in RI I cross the line with the shotgun without issue. But I'm sure there's some different rules as hand guns go. Thanks
gwhunter  [Member]
2/4/2012 12:27:48 PM
Someone must have some insight on this?

Ryt2own  [Team Member]
2/4/2012 1:15:40 PM
IIRC...
RI statute 11-47-8 allows for anyone with a valid permit, issued from your home state, to travel through Rhode Island, transporting your handgun, without the intent of being detained or remaining in Rhode Island.

Also, there are provisions for transporting handguns without a license provided you are going from your home to a Bona Fide Target Practice Range. and back home again. 11-47-10 i think.
It is not clear if RI statute 11-47-10 applies to non-residents of Rhode Island too.
Also, what is a bona fide target range? A club with paying members? A friend with acreage and proper backstops?

Error on the side of caution in RI
gwhunter  [Member]
2/4/2012 1:55:51 PM
Clear as mud, I guess it depends on how you define remaining or detained. It wouldn't be for periods exceeding 12hrs and to and from only. It seems it puts lots of trust in not finding a LEO with a hair across his ass.
I guess I need to contact the RI Troopers for clarification. I'm sure most are just flying under the radar on this issue. Since I'm not going to leave a felony to chance I'd rather get this clarified.
JAD  [Team Member]
2/4/2012 5:37:59 PM
Originally Posted By gwhunter:
Clear as mud, I guess it depends on how you define remaining or detained. It wouldn't be for periods exceeding 12hrs and to and from only. It seems it puts lots of trust in not finding a LEO with a hair across his ass.
I guess I need to contact the RI Troopers for clarification. I'm sure most are just flying under the radar on this issue. Since I'm not going to leave a felony to chance I'd rather get this clarified.


You could also look into getting a Rhode Island non-resident permit.
2774070  [Member]
2/4/2012 6:09:57 PM
Unload, store firearm securely separate from ammo. Keep a small lock box in your vehicle if you're that concerned. It's not as if you're headed into Mass.
Ryt2own  [Team Member]
2/4/2012 7:03:45 PM
Originally Posted By gwhunter:
... most are just flying under the radar on this issue.

I shot for 14 years with my ex-bosses permission, on his 60 acre quarry in Westerly.
Locked my shit up out of sight, didn't drive stupidly, and honestly never gave it a second thought.

Originally Posted By JAD:
You could also look into getting a Rhode Island non-resident permit.

RI pistol permit process will make you truly appreciate ours (albeit it's flaws) here in CT.
Check out www.cralri sometime....full of carry permit nightmares, bullshit, and issuing authorities totally ignoring the law.

RI statute 11-47-11 is SHALL Issue by CLEO or licensing authority of each town. This statute is virtually ignored by all towns. It has taken lawsuits filed by RI residents against offending police chiefs to even have their applications accepted and reviewed at the town level. The statute allows for non-residents to apply this way also...although I am not aware of even one non resident posting on CRALRI website of successfully obtaing one.

RI statute 11-47-18 is MAY Issue by the Atty General of RI. Applicant must show sufficient need. It appears that in most cases, the initial application is denied. An appeal must then be filed. After the appeal, most are then issued a permit with bullshit (not found anywhere in the RI statutes) restrictions, such as "for work only" . Then, I suppose, if you were to ever apply for another states, non-resident permit, you are then forced to answer "yes" to the question have you ever been denied a permit.
JAD  [Team Member]
2/4/2012 7:17:01 PM
Originally Posted By Ryt2own:
Originally Posted By gwhunter:
... most are just flying under the radar on this issue.

I shot for 14 years with my ex-bosses permission, on his 60 acre quarry in Westerly.
Locked my shit up out of sight, didn't drive stupidly, and honestly never gave it a second thought.

Originally Posted By JAD:
You could also look into getting a Rhode Island non-resident permit.

RI pistol permit process will make you truly appreciate ours (albeit it's flaws) here in CT.
Check out www.cralri sometime....full of carry permit nightmares, bullshit, and issuing authorities totally ignoring the law.

RI statute 11-47-11 is SHALL Issue by CLEO or licensing authority of each town. This statute is virtually ignored by all towns. It has taken lawsuits filed by RI residents against offending police chiefs to even have their applications accepted and reviewed at the town level. The statute allows for non-residents to apply this way also...although I am not aware of even one non resident posting on CRALRI website of successfully obtaing one.

RI statute 11-47-18 is MAY Issue by the Atty General of RI. Applicant must show sufficient need. It appears that in most cases, the initial application is denied. An appeal must then be filed. After the appeal, most are then issued a permit with bullshit (not found anywhere in the RI statutes) restrictions, such as "for work only" . Then, I suppose, if you were to ever apply for another states, non-resident permit, you are then forced to answer "yes" to the question have you ever been denied a permit.


I thought we have a member here in NEHTF that has an RI NR permit. Maybe he has very exceptional circumstances, or connections, or something.
Ryt2own  [Team Member]
2/4/2012 7:32:00 PM
Originally Posted By JAD:
I thought we have a member here in NEHTF that has an RI NR permit. Maybe he has very excetional circumstances, or connections, or something.


Really? I hope they chime in with details.
I would really like to hear from a non-res RI permit holder who got one through a town CLEO (11-47-11)

gwhunter  [Member]
2/4/2012 10:16:02 PM
I'm well aware of ri's carry permit issues. I'm originaly from RI, since I'm not carrying on my persons I really don't want to even waste time with the AG. I don't want to risk getting pulled over with the gun. I would have it unloaded and secure in the vehicle. But after reading the laws I'm inclined not to without clarification from the State Police.
DanTSX  [Team Member]
2/5/2012 12:35:22 AM
Originally Posted By JAD:
Originally Posted By Ryt2own:
Originally Posted By gwhunter:
... most are just flying under the radar on this issue.

I shot for 14 years with my ex-bosses permission, on his 60 acre quarry in Westerly.
Locked my shit up out of sight, didn't drive stupidly, and honestly never gave it a second thought.

Originally Posted By JAD:
You could also look into getting a Rhode Island non-resident permit.

RI pistol permit process will make you truly appreciate ours (albeit it's flaws) here in CT.
Check out www.cralri sometime....full of carry permit nightmares, bullshit, and issuing authorities totally ignoring the law.

RI statute 11-47-11 is SHALL Issue by CLEO or licensing authority of each town. This statute is virtually ignored by all towns. It has taken lawsuits filed by RI residents against offending police chiefs to even have their applications accepted and reviewed at the town level. The statute allows for non-residents to apply this way also...although I am not aware of even one non resident posting on CRALRI website of successfully obtaing one.

RI statute 11-47-18 is MAY Issue by the Atty General of RI. Applicant must show sufficient need. It appears that in most cases, the initial application is denied. An appeal must then be filed. After the appeal, most are then issued a permit with bullshit (not found anywhere in the RI statutes) restrictions, such as "for work only" . Then, I suppose, if you were to ever apply for another states, non-resident permit, you are then forced to answer "yes" to the question have you ever been denied a permit.


I thought we have a member here in NEHTF that has an RI NR permit. Maybe he has very exceptional circumstances, or connections, or something.


He owns a biz in Rhodesia. Cash deposits justified the need. From what I recall, he didn't have any more trouble than obtaining a ct permit.

Can't remember who it is off hand. Semi-regular HTF poster. Search the Archives a bit.
DanTSX  [Team Member]
2/5/2012 12:40:23 AM
Originally Posted By gwhunter:
I'm well aware of ri's carry permit issues. I'm originaly from RI, since I'm not carrying on my persons I really don't want to even waste time with the AG. I don't want to risk getting pulled over with the gun. I would have it unloaded and secure in the vehicle. But after reading the laws I'm inclined not to without clarification from the State Police.


There are federal laws that protect you if "passing through" on your way to a state where you can use it provided it is safely stored unloaded and locked.

There are some places along the border where passing through RI is necessary to reach your destination in SE CT, but not many. Running errands in a border town and coming back wouldn't count unless you were going straight to a range, dealer, or gunsmith.

gwhunter  [Member]
2/5/2012 7:54:18 AM
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Originally Posted By JAD:
Originally Posted By Ryt2own:
Originally Posted By gwhunter:
... most are just flying under the radar on this issue.

I shot for 14 years with my ex-bosses permission, on his 60 acre quarry in Westerly.
Locked my shit up out of sight, didn't drive stupidly, and honestly never gave it a second thought.

Originally Posted By JAD:
You could also look into getting a Rhode Island non-resident permit.

RI pistol permit process will make you truly appreciate ours (albeit it's flaws) here in CT.
Check out www.cralri sometime....full of carry permit nightmares, bullshit, and issuing authorities totally ignoring the law.

RI statute 11-47-11 is SHALL Issue by CLEO or licensing authority of each town. This statute is virtually ignored by all towns. It has taken lawsuits filed by RI residents against offending police chiefs to even have their applications accepted and reviewed at the town level. The statute allows for non-residents to apply this way also...although I am not aware of even one non resident posting on CRALRI website of successfully obtaing one.

RI statute 11-47-18 is MAY Issue by the Atty General of RI. Applicant must show sufficient need. It appears that in most cases, the initial application is denied. An appeal must then be filed. After the appeal, most are then issued a permit with bullshit (not found anywhere in the RI statutes) restrictions, such as "for work only" . Then, I suppose, if you were to ever apply for another states, non-resident permit, you are then forced to answer "yes" to the question have you ever been denied a permit.


I thought we have a member here in NEHTF that has an RI NR permit. Maybe he has very exceptional circumstances, or connections, or something.


He owns a biz in Rhodesia. Cash deposits justified the need. From what I recall, he didn't have any more trouble than obtaining a ct permit.

Can't remember who it is off hand. Semi-regular HTF poster. Search the Archives a bit.


That's exactly why I'm not interested in wasting my time trying to get the RI Non Res permit. They'd never find the justification in my case. I'd just be carrying for personal defense. Not a tangible eminent threat. I do work in urban area with high crime but doubt that would be enough.
DanTSX  [Team Member]
2/5/2012 9:36:53 AM
Originally Posted By gwhunter:
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Originally Posted By JAD:
Originally Posted By Ryt2own:
Originally Posted By gwhunter:
... most are just flying under the radar on this issue.

I shot for 14 years with my ex-bosses permission, on his 60 acre quarry in Westerly.
Locked my shit up out of sight, didn't drive stupidly, and honestly never gave it a second thought.

Originally Posted By JAD:
You could also look into getting a Rhode Island non-resident permit.

RI pistol permit process will make you truly appreciate ours (albeit it's flaws) here in CT.
Check out www.cralri sometime....full of carry permit nightmares, bullshit, and issuing authorities totally ignoring the law.

RI statute 11-47-11 is SHALL Issue by CLEO or licensing authority of each town. This statute is virtually ignored by all towns. It has taken lawsuits filed by RI residents against offending police chiefs to even have their applications accepted and reviewed at the town level. The statute allows for non-residents to apply this way also...although I am not aware of even one non resident posting on CRALRI website of successfully obtaing one.

RI statute 11-47-18 is MAY Issue by the Atty General of RI. Applicant must show sufficient need. It appears that in most cases, the initial application is denied. An appeal must then be filed. After the appeal, most are then issued a permit with bullshit (not found anywhere in the RI statutes) restrictions, such as "for work only" . Then, I suppose, if you were to ever apply for another states, non-resident permit, you are then forced to answer "yes" to the question have you ever been denied a permit.


I thought we have a member here in NEHTF that has an RI NR permit. Maybe he has very exceptional circumstances, or connections, or something.


He owns a biz in Rhodesia. Cash deposits justified the need. From what I recall, he didn't have any more trouble than obtaining a ct permit.

Can't remember who it is off hand. Semi-regular HTF poster. Search the Archives a bit.


That's exactly why I'm not interested in wasting my time trying to get the RI Non Res permit. They'd never find the justification in my case. I'd just be carrying for personal defense. Not a tangible eminent threat. I do work in urban area with high crime but doubt that would be enough.


why not?


If he wouldn't send his wife to that area unarmed, there is no reason why he shouldn't grant you the same rights as a signing authority.

Now that you have your CT permit, you know it is worth it. Keep the steam level high and go for it.
Ryt2own  [Team Member]
2/5/2012 9:45:52 AM
Originally Posted By gwhunter:
.... not interested in wasting my time trying to get the RI Non Res permit. They'd never find the justification in my case.

If the powers to be in RI actually followed the law instead of willfully ignoring it, a SHALL ISSUE RI non-resident permit, issued under statute 11-47-11 would be a breeze.
No wasted time trying to apply. No being told that towns don't issue. No justification showing need. No made up additional requirements, tests and added fees.

Twenty-one years of age, bona fide residence in the U.S., a pistol permit issued by ones home state, a proper reason to carry, and are a suitable person, Shall be issued..period.
Recent case law (RI Supreme Court) determined that possessing a C&R license constitutes a proper reason, and as long as there is no history of one being locked up for being a drunkard or for metal health reasons, then you are suitable.



gwhunter  [Member]
2/5/2012 10:32:45 AM
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Originally Posted By gwhunter:
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Originally Posted By JAD:
Originally Posted By Ryt2own:
Originally Posted By gwhunter:
... most are just flying under the radar on this issue.

I shot for 14 years with my ex-bosses permission, on his 60 acre quarry in Westerly.
Locked my shit up out of sight, didn't drive stupidly, and honestly never gave it a second thought.

Originally Posted By JAD:
You could also look into getting a Rhode Island non-resident permit.

RI pistol permit process will make you truly appreciate ours (albeit it's flaws) here in CT.
Check out www.cralri sometime....full of carry permit nightmares, bullshit, and issuing authorities totally ignoring the law.

RI statute 11-47-11 is SHALL Issue by CLEO or licensing authority of each town. This statute is virtually ignored by all towns. It has taken lawsuits filed by RI residents against offending police chiefs to even have their applications accepted and reviewed at the town level. The statute allows for non-residents to apply this way also...although I am not aware of even one non resident posting on CRALRI website of successfully obtaing one.

RI statute 11-47-18 is MAY Issue by the Atty General of RI. Applicant must show sufficient need. It appears that in most cases, the initial application is denied. An appeal must then be filed. After the appeal, most are then issued a permit with bullshit (not found anywhere in the RI statutes) restrictions, such as "for work only" . Then, I suppose, if you were to ever apply for another states, non-resident permit, you are then forced to answer "yes" to the question have you ever been denied a permit.


I thought we have a member here in NEHTF that has an RI NR permit. Maybe he has very exceptional circumstances, or connections, or something.


He owns a biz in Rhodesia. Cash deposits justified the need. From what I recall, he didn't have any more trouble than obtaining a ct permit.

Can't remember who it is off hand. Semi-regular HTF poster. Search the Archives a bit.


That's exactly why I'm not interested in wasting my time trying to get the RI Non Res permit. They'd never find the justification in my case. I'd just be carrying for personal defense. Not a tangible eminent threat. I do work in urban area with high crime but doubt that would be enough.


why not?


If he wouldn't send his wife to that area unarmed, there is no reason why he shouldn't grant you the same rights as a signing authority.

Now that you have your CT permit, you know it is worth it. Keep the steam level high and go for it.


If I'm denied and I ever need another permit I'll have to note that I was denied in the past.
RhodeIslandRanger  [Member]
2/5/2012 12:51:06 PM
Originally Posted By gwhunter:
I recently got my CT carry permit and I know it isn't recip'd with RI. But I'm wondering what the rules are as far as driving with the gun in the vehicle. I work in RI and I'm on call 24/7/365 so I'm concerned that I could get a unexpected call in while carrying and end up crossing the line with the gun in the truck. I've looked on the RI state website but I'm still unsure. I have no intention of carrying on my persons while in RI but is it legal to keep it securely store in my vehicle?

I know when I turkey hunt in RI I cross the line with the shotgun without issue. But I'm sure there's some different rules as hand guns go. Thanks


GWH, you should be ok if your weapon is unloaded and locked in the trunk, preferably in a lockable gun case. Ammo in a separate container or in the backseat. I'm not %100 on this for out of staters. But RI law allows you to travel to and from a bonafide range, your place of business, and your home. But I wouldn't take anyone's word for it here. Go check out on CRALRI there's tons of useful infirmation about RI legislation there.
JAD  [Team Member]
2/5/2012 1:06:08 PM
Originally Posted By RhodeIslandRanger:
Originally Posted By gwhunter:
I recently got my CT carry permit and I know it isn't recip'd with RI. But I'm wondering what the rules are as far as driving with the gun in the vehicle. I work in RI and I'm on call 24/7/365 so I'm concerned that I could get a unexpected call in while carrying and end up crossing the line with the gun in the truck. I've looked on the RI state website but I'm still unsure. I have no intention of carrying on my persons while in RI but is it legal to keep it securely store in my vehicle?

I know when I turkey hunt in RI I cross the line with the shotgun without issue. But I'm sure there's some different rules as hand guns go. Thanks


GWH, you should be ok if your weapon is unloaded and locked in the trunk, preferably in a lockable gun case. Ammo in a separate container or in the backseat. I'm not %100 on this for out of staters. But RI law allows you to travel to and from a bonafide range, your place of business, and your home. But I wouldn't take anyone's word for it here. Go check out on CRALRI there's tons of useful infirmation about RI legislation there.


How have Rhode Island courts interpreted the of business exemption. In Connecticut, it our courts have interpreted the place of business exemption to not apply to people who are only employees (requiring proprietary interest) and have applied to fixed locations only (a taxi cab does not qualify, for example).
gwhunter  [Member]
2/6/2012 4:17:59 PM
I ended up printing the RI carry paper work today since Dan kind of called me out on it. After reading it, my thought is what a bunch of total bullshit. Why on earth has this not been taken up by legal means? I'm sure some kind of class action suit is appropriate. The Ri paper work really doesn't address non residents. I've been doing some reading of the RI horror stories but there never seems to be resolution posts.

There's a form to be sent to the cleo of the town you reside when you submit the paperwork. Do I need to give that to the state police of just not fill it out. If anyone has contact info from a ct res who has there RI carry please let me know. I did call the AG's office today but getting ahold of the right person seems to be an issue.