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BlindFaith429  [Member]
1/13/2012 9:43:40 AM
For example. If I am carrying a 1911, and I want to carry it Condition 1 (round in chamber, full mag, thumb safety engaged), is there anything saying I cannot do this?

Basically I am asking if there is any laws prohibiting me from carrying a certain way, as far as how the gun is loaded / safety's engaged.

I heard at one time, that you had to carry with an empty chamber, but I think that is BS and was curious what the bottom line was.

Thanks
Andrapos  [Team Member]
1/13/2012 10:12:54 AM
The permit to carry is a permit to carry. There are no restrictions on how you carry, just "where" you carry.
imtheflash  [Team Member]
1/13/2012 11:58:40 AM

Originally Posted By BlindFaith429:

I heard at one time, that you had to carry with an empty chamber, but I think that is BS and was curious what the bottom line was.

Thanks

I've had my permit for over 20 years and I have never heard that one before.




Remyrw  [Team Member]
1/13/2012 12:21:56 PM
If you want to carry with an empty chamber why bother with a pistol? There are much better shaped clubs.

Seriously though, there are no restrictions on the condition of the firearm. Particularly with 1911's, I carry condition one both IWB and OWB. On the rare occasion I carry my HK I tend to carry it decocked with the safety on, but chambered. I just never got comfortable with it in condition one for some reason. Purely mental hangup on my part but since it will still go bang when I drop the safety and pull the trigger I'm fine with it. I just make sure to practice accordingly.

I think that particular myth gets started by cops and instructors who present their personal pet peeve as the law, intentionally or otherwise.
sbhaven  [Member]
1/13/2012 12:25:55 PM
Ah the "someone told me ... is this true" question. You probably got that perl of wisdom from a gun shop counter commando.

As others have said, there is nothing in the CT statutes mandates carrying concealed just as nothing mandates carrying openly at this time. At this time there is no statute detailing if one must carry with an empty chamber. There are statutes on transporting (like in a vehicle) that do say the firearm must be unloaded (Sec. 29-38. Weapons in vehicles. Penalty. Exceptions.). The statutes do mandate you carry your permit on you when you do carry (with few exceptions). The statute is : Sec. 29-35. Carrying of pistol or revolver without permit prohibited. Exceptions.

Oh, and here we go with another thread that will decend into the merits of conceal carry versus open carry.
BlindFaith429  [Member]
1/13/2012 12:53:03 PM
Originally Posted By sbhaven:
Ah the "someone told me ... is this true" question. You probably got that perl of wisdom from a gun shop counter commando.

As others have said, there is nothing in the CT statutes mandates carrying concealed just as nothing mandates carrying openly at this time. At this time there is no statute detailing if one must carry with an empty chamber. There are statutes on transporting (like in a vehicle) that do say the firearm must be unloaded (Sec. 29-38. Weapons in vehicles. Penalty. Exceptions.). The statutes do mandate you carry your permit on you when you do carry (with few exceptions). The statute is : Sec. 29-35. Carrying of pistol or revolver without permit prohibited. Exceptions.

Oh, and here we go with another thread that will decend into the merits of conceal carry versus open carry.


I am not going to start the "open vs concealed" carry argument, was just hoping to get better clarity on the topic.

You mention that if transporting in a vehicle, the firearm must be unloaded. I was aware of that. I have heard that if the gun is on you, as in being carried, it could be loaded, but as soon as it is stored in the glove-box, center console, carry case etc, that the gun must be unloaded. Any truth to that? Seems kinda foolish to have to unload the gun when you get into the car if you car carrying it, but then again, I know that there are allot of foolish laws on the books.
pedorrero79  [Team Member]
1/13/2012 12:59:46 PM
Nothing in the state laws, AFAIK. However, there may be local ordinances that dictate this. For example, in the New London, it is illegal to carry a concealed handgun (or weapon, I don't remember exactly how it was phrased...).

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Andrapos  [Team Member]
1/13/2012 1:12:41 PM

Originally Posted By BlindFaith429:
Originally Posted By sbhaven:
Ah the "someone told me ... is this true" question. You probably got that perl of wisdom from a gun shop counter commando.

As others have said, there is nothing in the CT statutes mandates carrying concealed just as nothing mandates carrying openly at this time. At this time there is no statute detailing if one must carry with an empty chamber. There are statutes on transporting (like in a vehicle) that do say the firearm must be unloaded (Sec. 29-38. Weapons in vehicles. Penalty. Exceptions.). The statutes do mandate you carry your permit on you when you do carry (with few exceptions). The statute is : Sec. 29-35. Carrying of pistol or revolver without permit prohibited. Exceptions.

Oh, and here we go with another thread that will decend into the merits of conceal carry versus open carry.


I am not going to start the "open vs concealed" carry argument, was just hoping to get better clarity on the topic.

You mention that if transporting in a vehicle, the firearm must be unloaded. I was aware of that. I have heard that if the gun is on you, as in being carried, it could be loaded, but as soon as it is stored in the glove-box, center console, carry case etc, that the gun must be unloaded. Any truth to that? Seems kinda foolish to have to unload the gun when you get into the car if you car carrying it, but then again, I know that there are allot of foolish laws on the books.

I look at it this way - are you carrying the gun once you put it in the glove box or console?


sbhaven  [Member]
1/13/2012 2:47:25 PM
Originally Posted By BlindFaith429:
I am not going to start the "open vs concealed" carry argument, was just hoping to get better clarity on the topic.

Unfortunately anytime someone asks a question on something related to OC there tends to be someone who comes who feels they just have to thread jack the discussion into why CCW is the only way to carry. So far we've been lucky the thread is still on topic.

Originally Posted By pedorrero79:
However, there may be local ordinances that dictate this. For example, in the New London, it is illegal to carry a concealed handgun (or weapon, I don't remember exactly how it was phrased...).

Both New Britain and New London have local ordinances that mandate Open Carry. From Handgunlaw.us CT PDF. Don't know why Handgunlaw.us is saying No Carry Allowed, perhaps they assume our permit is CCW only. If so they are incorrect.

New Britain, CT (No Carry Allowed)
Sec. 16-80. Carrying Concealed Weapons.
(a) No person shall wear under his clothes, or conceal upon or about his person any deadly or dangerous weapon including, but not limited to any pistol, dagger, metal knuckles, razor, slingshot, blackjack, sword or cane gun. The provisions of this paragraph shall not apply to any person who is found with any such weapon or implement concealed upon his person while lawfully removing his household goods or effects from one place to another, or from one residence to another, nor to any person while actually and peaceably engaged in carrying any such weapon or implement from his place of abode or business to a place or person where or by whom such weapon or implement is to be repaired, or while actually and peaceably returning to his place of abode or business with such weapon or implement after the same has been repaired.
(b) This section shall not apply to any law enforcement officer in the discharge of his duty.
(Code 1970, § 15-12)

New London, Ct (No Carry Allowed)
Sec. 14-11. Carrying Concealed Weapons, Discharging Firearms.
No person shall carry any concealed weapon in said city nor shall any person discharge any species of firearms in any street of said city, without authority of the council.
(Ord. of 3-5-45, § 9)
BlindFaith429  [Member]
1/13/2012 2:52:21 PM
Originally Posted By Andrapos:

Originally Posted By BlindFaith429:
Originally Posted By sbhaven:
Ah the "someone told me ... is this true" question. You probably got that perl of wisdom from a gun shop counter commando.

As others have said, there is nothing in the CT statutes mandates carrying concealed just as nothing mandates carrying openly at this time. At this time there is no statute detailing if one must carry with an empty chamber. There are statutes on transporting (like in a vehicle) that do say the firearm must be unloaded (Sec. 29-38. Weapons in vehicles. Penalty. Exceptions.). The statutes do mandate you carry your permit on you when you do carry (with few exceptions). The statute is : Sec. 29-35. Carrying of pistol or revolver without permit prohibited. Exceptions.

Oh, and here we go with another thread that will decend into the merits of conceal carry versus open carry.


I am not going to start the "open vs concealed" carry argument, was just hoping to get better clarity on the topic.

You mention that if transporting in a vehicle, the firearm must be unloaded. I was aware of that. I have heard that if the gun is on you, as in being carried, it could be loaded, but as soon as it is stored in the glove-box, center console, carry case etc, that the gun must be unloaded. Any truth to that? Seems kinda foolish to have to unload the gun when you get into the car if you car carrying it, but then again, I know that there are allot of foolish laws on the books.

I look at it this way - are you carrying the gun once you put it in the glove box or console?




That's how I view it. If I am "carrying" it on my body, I can have it loaded. However if it is not on me, then I consider it to be "transporting", and thus the gun should be unloaded.

ETA: That's how I look at it, not sure if that's how the law views it
sbhaven  [Member]
1/13/2012 3:04:10 PM
Originally Posted By BlindFaith429:
That's how I view it. If I am "carrying" it on my body, I can have it loaded. However if it is not on me, then I consider it to be "transporting", and thus the gun should be unloaded.

ETA: That's how I look at it, not sure if that's how the law views it

Same here, on my person, loaded when carrying. Transporting a pile of firearms to the range and I'm not carrying, then all of the firearms are unloaded in a locked trunk. Some of our firearms laws have some gray areas, best to take precautions and be safe, rather than sorry.

On a side note, I personally wouldn't toss a firearm into a center console or the glove box, neither of which lock on my car. Rather I'd put it into my trunk, which valet locks (interior trunk release is disabled), just to be safe. Or use a car safe chained to the seat to make it difficult to steal for the casual thief. Seen to many people have their car windows smashed and car interior (glove box/console included) rifled and items pilfered. Would hate lose control of one of my guns that way.
Andrapos  [Team Member]
1/13/2012 3:06:58 PM



Originally Posted By BlindFaith429:
Originally Posted By Andrapos:

Originally Posted By BlindFaith429:

I am not going to start the "open vs concealed" carry argument, was just hoping to get better clarity on the topic.

You mention that if transporting in a vehicle, the firearm must be unloaded. I was aware of that. I have heard that if the gun is on you, as in being carried, it could be loaded, but as soon as it is stored in the glove-box, center console, carry case etc, that the gun must be unloaded. Any truth to that? Seems kinda foolish to have to unload the gun when you get into the car if you car carrying it, but then again, I know that there are allot of foolish laws on the books.

I look at it this way - are you carrying the gun once you put it in the glove box or console?




That's how I view it. If I am "carrying" it on my body, I can have it loaded. However if it is not on me, then I consider it to be "transporting", and thus the gun should be unloaded.

ETA: That's how I look at it, not sure if that's how the law views it


That is in agreement with the law.


http://www.cga.ct.gov/2007/rpt/2007-R-0369.htm

Motor Vehicles

By law, when handguns are being transported in a motor vehicle, they must be unloaded and kept (1) in a place not readily or directly accessible from the passenger compartment or (2) in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console (CGS § 29-35). A violation carries a penalty of one to five years imprisonment, a fine of up to $1,000, or both, with a mandatory minimum one-year sentence in the absence of mitigating circumstances (CGS § 29-37).

When long guns are being transported in a vehicle or snowmobile, they must be unloaded. A violation carries a fine of $10 to $100, imprisonment for up to 30 days or both (CGS § 53-205).





JAD  [Team Member]
1/13/2012 3:20:16 PM
Originally Posted By Andrapos:



Originally Posted By BlindFaith429:
Originally Posted By Andrapos:

Originally Posted By BlindFaith429:

I am not going to start the "open vs concealed" carry argument, was just hoping to get better clarity on the topic.

You mention that if transporting in a vehicle, the firearm must be unloaded. I was aware of that. I have heard that if the gun is on you, as in being carried, it could be loaded, but as soon as it is stored in the glove-box, center console, carry case etc, that the gun must be unloaded. Any truth to that? Seems kinda foolish to have to unload the gun when you get into the car if you car carrying it, but then again, I know that there are allot of foolish laws on the books.

I look at it this way - are you carrying the gun once you put it in the glove box or console?




That's how I view it. If I am "carrying" it on my body, I can have it loaded. However if it is not on me, then I consider it to be "transporting", and thus the gun should be unloaded.

ETA: That's how I look at it, not sure if that's how the law views it


That is in agreement with the law.


http://www.cga.ct.gov/2007/rpt/2007-R-0369.htm

Motor Vehicles

By law, when handguns are being transported in a motor vehicle, they must be unloaded and kept (1) in a place not readily or directly accessible from the passenger compartment or (2) in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console (CGS § 29-35). A violation carries a penalty of one to five years imprisonment, a fine of up to $1,000, or both, with a mandatory minimum one-year sentence in the absence of mitigating circumstances (CGS § 29-37).

When long guns are being transported in a vehicle or snowmobile, they must be unloaded. A violation carries a fine of $10 to $100, imprisonment for up to 30 days or both (CGS § 53-205).







That report is erronious.

The verbiage cited from 29-35(a) refers to the transportation of pistols/revolvers by persons who lack Connecticut permits, either because they are transporting a pistol/ revolver between place purchase and residence/business, for repair, while moving their effects, to a testing range as directed by an issuing authority, non-residents traveling to formal pistol/revolver training or competition or exhibition or non-permit holders transporting antique pistols/ revolvers.

29-38, Weapons in Motor Vehicles, does not make specification re. loaded off body carry/ transport within a motor vehicle.

29-38d, which covers transport through the state by non-residents without valid Connecticut permits [Connecticut's State interstate transport protection, like that in FOPA] does describe the unloaded and accessibility requirements.

I would imagine that their could be potential criminal liabilities for individuals without permits if the weapon were accessible to them....
JAD  [Team Member]
1/13/2012 3:20:27 PM
double tap
Jz12b  [Member]
1/13/2012 4:13:54 PM
I thought carrying in New Britain and New London was prohibited...if I read the above post correctly, only concealed carry is prohibited? One can open carry in these cities?

So, all I need to do is tuck my shirt in under my pistol?
DanTSX  [Team Member]
1/13/2012 4:27:13 PM
I carry it in my hand

Holsters are for faggots

DanTSX  [Team Member]
1/13/2012 4:39:46 PM
Originally Posted By Jz12b:
I thought carrying in New Britain and New London was prohibited...if I read the above post correctly, only concealed carry is prohibited? One can open carry in these cities?

So, all I need to do is tuck my shirt in under my pistol?


It is. So is carrying a pickle in your pocket on Sunday.


I wouldn't worry about a muni law, especially in those towns. It could be an issue if you had to go in front of the board of fiream permit examiners, but it certainly would not be decisive on the outcome. State trumps town and those two towns can especially go screw.
Andrapos  [Team Member]
1/13/2012 6:25:41 PM

Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Originally Posted By Jz12b:
I thought carrying in New Britain and New London was prohibited...if I read the above post correctly, only concealed carry is prohibited? One can open carry in these cities?

So, all I need to do is tuck my shirt in under my pistol?


It is. So is carrying a pickle in your pocket on Sunday.


I wouldn't worry about a muni law, especially in those towns. It could be an issue if you had to go in front of the board of fiream permit examiners, but it certainly would not be decisive on the outcome. State trumps town and those two towns can especially go screw.

Someone was on here not too long ago saying that they asked the chief in one of those towns what the deal was and got a laugh in response, followed by "if you have your permit you are fine"

Take that as internet advice (although most likely the truth)
BlindFaith429  [Member]
1/13/2012 6:29:08 PM
Thanks allot guys for the answers. 4 weeks in on my wait for the permit approval and just trying to get the last of my questions answered so I will be ready to carry & train ASAP.

Thanks!
mikeyp03  [Member]
1/13/2012 9:50:32 PM
I'm not trying to jack this thread, and this kinda pertains....what about driving with guns in a jeep wrangler, or other cars like this? No trunk, and no area that is really "away" from the driver. Ive been driving with my guns in the back(range trips) not locked but seperate from all my ammo(ammo in a ammo can, but I cant lock the can) I do get nervous, but Its the best I can do.....what do you guys think?
DanTSX  [Team Member]
1/13/2012 11:03:22 PM
Mikey

Lock on the guns or locked gun cases and you are good to go.



I might have a few bike lock type gun locks around here if you need them, but I usually toss them as soon as ileave the store. Let me know if you need some


On an AR, just open the bolt and lock the action. Good to go


My buddies that drive trucks use a magwell block that locks.
mikeyp03  [Member]
1/14/2012 12:39:15 AM
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Mikey

Lock on the guns or locked gun cases and you are good to go.



I might have a few bike lock type gun locks around here if you need them, but I usually toss them as soon as ileave the store. Let me know if you need some


On an AR, just open the bolt and lock the action. Good to go


My buddies that drive trucks use a magwell block that locks.


Thanks Dan! I think I have a few of those locks....funny story I bought a stripped lower online and had it shipped to jojo's and when I got it from them they just gave me a lock for it Kinda weird but cool because I didnt order it from them or through them lol.

I'm guessing how I was doing it...I probably could have gotten in trouble huh?

DanTSX  [Team Member]
1/14/2012 1:16:00 AM
Originally Posted By mikeyp03:
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Mikey

Lock on the guns or locked gun cases and you are good to go.



I might have a few bike lock type gun locks around here if you need them, but I usually toss them as soon as ileave the store. Let me know if you need some


On an AR, just open the bolt and lock the action. Good to go


My buddies that drive trucks use a magwell block that locks.


Thanks Dan! I think I have a few of those locks....funny story I bought a stripped lower online and had it shipped to jojo's and when I got it from them they just gave me a lock for it Kinda weird but cool because I didnt order it from them or through them lol.

I'm guessing how I was doing it...I probably could have gotten in trouble huh?



Yeah, I mean with this many laws you are bound to break them unwittingly or unknowingly. Im in the same camp when I take my wife's CR-V to the range. No trunk. Usually If i have my car, I just toss my shit into my trunk and go with no cases or anything. Cuz it's not like I couldn't pull a rifle through the seat that drops down.


I think there is a law on the books about firearms needing a lock provided with them, but I don't want to get the statute nuts salivating and giving us a wall of lawyerbabble text, like it is helps make CT gun laws any less obtuse.
sbhaven  [Member]
1/14/2012 10:36:22 AM
On the subject of cable locks for guns. While in upstate NY two years ago with a family member, they got a ticket for a burnt out brake light from a state police officer. The light bulb had to be replaced and then the car driven to the local barracks for them to inspect to ensure the repair was made and sign off on the ticket. While there I noticed they had a big pile of cable gun locks. Office said take as many as I needed since they were free. Grabbed a bunch on my way out the door. If NY state police are still giving them away free, its a good way to get some free if you have family who live in NY or you are visiting NY state.
pedorrero79  [Team Member]
1/14/2012 8:14:18 PM
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
I carry it in my hand

Holsters are for faggots



So are Glocks...












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Badlatitude  [Team Member]
1/14/2012 9:18:48 PM
If you arent carrying condition one why bother?
gwhunter  [Member]
1/15/2012 9:17:41 AM
Not to hijack but what's the story with carrying on the indian reservations(casino's)? Do state laws address this or do you need to contact tribal officers?

DanTSX  [Team Member]
1/15/2012 9:33:38 AM
Originally Posted By gwhunter:
Not to hijack but what's the story with carrying on the indian reservations(casino's)? Do state laws address this or do you need to contact tribal officers?



Not supposed to carry inside the casino/hotel. There is a tribal law on it. (tribal members exempted of course) Authority varies state by state, but if the tribal police can't do anything, the state police will, at minimum, trespass you.


If you look in the archives there are threads about the tribal police actually allowing you to check and secure firearms at the office and being quite professional about it. I don't know how comfortable I would be doing that though. I can't remember if they frisk you going into the arena or not.

Last time I was there it was some hip-hop artist night and the place was full of people yelling "yo muddafucka". I doubt they gave a shit about tribal law, and at that point, I sure as shit didn't either.

Concealed means concealed.
PhatForrest  [Member]
1/16/2012 6:03:37 AM

Originally Posted By Andrapos:

Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Originally Posted By Jz12b:
I thought carrying in New Britain and New London was prohibited...if I read the above post correctly, only concealed carry is prohibited? One can open carry in these cities?

So, all I need to do is tuck my shirt in under my pistol?


It is. So is carrying a pickle in your pocket on Sunday.


I wouldn't worry about a muni law, especially in those towns. It could be an issue if you had to go in front of the board of fiream permit examiners, but it certainly would not be decisive on the outcome. State trumps town and those two towns can especially go screw.

Someone was on here not too long ago saying that they asked the chief in one of those towns what the deal was and got a laugh in response, followed by "if you have your permit you are fine"

Take that as internet advice (although most likely the truth)


I spoke with one of the shift commanders in NLPD one night after reading a thread like this, he said you're GTG as long as you've got a permit. He also said they get calls about this fairly often.
sbhaven  [Member]
1/16/2012 8:37:11 AM
Originally Posted By gwhunter:
Not to hijack but what's the story with carrying on the indian reservations(casino's)? Do state laws address this or do you need to contact tribal officers?

Others elsewhere on other boards (Google search "connecticut casino prohibit firearms" for them) have reported seeing "No Guns Allowed" signs as they entered the casino or going from the restaurant area to the casino area. Someone, from what I remember, even posted a picture in one thread of a sign that said "no guns allowed" that was on a pole outside the entrance to one of the casino's.

Here is one one home town thread about conceal carrying in CT casino and some comments from someone who claims to have worked at one of the casinos.

The Mohegan Sun Arena, like many other entertainment arenas in CT, expressly forbids "knives, firearms or weapons of any kind" inside the venue.
harlenm  [Member]
1/16/2012 2:06:50 PM
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Originally Posted By gwhunter:
Not to hijack but what's the story with carrying on the indian reservations(casino's)? Do state laws address this or do you need to contact tribal officers?



Not supposed to carry inside the casino/hotel. There is a tribal law on it. (tribal members exempted of course) Authority varies state by state, but if the tribal police can't do anything, the state police will, at minimum, trespass you.


If you look in the archives there are threads about the tribal police actually allowing you to check and secure firearms at the office and being quite professional about it. I don't know how comfortable I would be doing that though. I can't remember if they frisk you going into the arena or not.

Last time I was there it was some hip-hop artist night and the place was full of people yelling "yo muddafucka". I doubt they gave a shit about tribal law, and at that point, I sure as shit didn't either.

Concealed means concealed.


They do a pat down going into the arena, and search bags and purses. I've always carried a knife when I go there, tuck it in the front of my waist and they never search there.

As for carrying there, I leave it in the car as it's the easiest way for me to do it. I only go every few years anyway.