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12/16/2011 6:32:39 PM
What exact law did this guy break? His "stash of weapons" looks like something most kids have. And not illegal.
Any insights on this from you guys?
www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_8/472308_Pass_this_along_to_all_of_your_Fudd_friends___.html
Any insights on this from you guys?
www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_8/472308_Pass_this_along_to_all_of_your_Fudd_friends___.html
12/16/2011 7:04:02 PM
Police said Colin Kenny was charged with assault with a dangerous weapon, possession of a large capacity firearm, possession of a large capacity feeding device, unlawful possession of a rifle in a home, unlawful possession of a shotgun in a home and unlawful possession of ammunition.
Police said they seized a 9mm handgun, a Remington sniper rifle with scope, a Remington 550 semi-automatic rifle, a double-barrel shotgun and a Benelli 12 gauge shotgun, along with 642 rounds of ammunition for the various weapons.
Police were called to the apartment at 5500 North Main St. at about 10 p.m. by a man and his girlfriend who said they got into an argument with Kelly, who had recently moved in with them.
Police said the man told them Kenny pointed a loaded handgun at him. Police said the man punched Kenny and escaped with his girlfriend.
Police said they evacuated the building and negotiated Kenny's surrender.
Police said Kenny and the roommate served together in the Army.
The moral of this story is, check out the local laws and make sure you have and licenses that are applicable. Also, don't get into a fight the point a gun at someone and threaten them 2 fucking days after your dumb ass moves from Ft Bragg to Fall fucking River without having the forethought to look into the local laws.
Police said they seized a 9mm handgun, a Remington sniper rifle with scope, a Remington 550 semi-automatic rifle, a double-barrel shotgun and a Benelli 12 gauge shotgun, along with 642 rounds of ammunition for the various weapons.
Police were called to the apartment at 5500 North Main St. at about 10 p.m. by a man and his girlfriend who said they got into an argument with Kelly, who had recently moved in with them.
Police said the man told them Kenny pointed a loaded handgun at him. Police said the man punched Kenny and escaped with his girlfriend.
Police said they evacuated the building and negotiated Kenny's surrender.
Police said Kenny and the roommate served together in the Army.
The moral of this story is, check out the local laws and make sure you have and licenses that are applicable. Also, don't get into a fight the point a gun at someone and threaten them 2 fucking days after your dumb ass moves from Ft Bragg to Fall fucking River without having the forethought to look into the local laws.
12/16/2011 8:12:43 PM
Originally Posted By Herc:
Police said Colin Kenny was charged with assault with a dangerous weapon, possession of a large capacity firearm, possession of a large capacity feeding device, unlawful possession of a rifle in a home, unlawful possession of a shotgun in a home and unlawful possession of ammunition.
Police said they seized a 9mm handgun, a Remington sniper rifle with scope, a Remington 550 semi-automatic rifle, a double-barrel shotgun and a Benelli 12 gauge shotgun, along with 642 rounds of ammunition for the various weapons.
Police were called to the apartment at 5500 North Main St. at about 10 p.m. by a man and his girlfriend who said they got into an argument with Kelly, who had recently moved in with them.
Police said the man told them Kenny pointed a loaded handgun at him. Police said the man punched Kenny and escaped with his girlfriend.
Police said they evacuated the building and negotiated Kenny's surrender.
Police said Kenny and the roommate served together in the Army.
The moral of this story is, check out the local laws and make sure you have and licenses that are applicable. Also, don't get into a fight the point a gun at someone and threaten them 2 fucking days after your dumb ass moves from Ft Bragg to Fall fucking River without having the forethought to look into the local laws.
Police said Colin Kenny was charged with assault with a dangerous weapon, possession of a large capacity firearm, possession of a large capacity feeding device, unlawful possession of a rifle in a home, unlawful possession of a shotgun in a home and unlawful possession of ammunition.
Police said they seized a 9mm handgun, a Remington sniper rifle with scope, a Remington 550 semi-automatic rifle, a double-barrel shotgun and a Benelli 12 gauge shotgun, along with 642 rounds of ammunition for the various weapons.
Police were called to the apartment at 5500 North Main St. at about 10 p.m. by a man and his girlfriend who said they got into an argument with Kelly, who had recently moved in with them.
Police said the man told them Kenny pointed a loaded handgun at him. Police said the man punched Kenny and escaped with his girlfriend.
Police said they evacuated the building and negotiated Kenny's surrender.
Police said Kenny and the roommate served together in the Army.
The moral of this story is, check out the local laws and make sure you have and licenses that are applicable. Also, don't get into a fight the point a gun at someone and threaten them 2 fucking days after your dumb ass moves from Ft Bragg to Fall fucking River without having the forethought to look into the local laws.
The story we saw didn't have as much info.
As far as "police said" whatever. Thats their/ "victims" version. Now that they found that real scary collection of kiddy stuff, no one will believe his side. People get in fights, big deal. If he did in fact point a gun at his friend, he's an ass and deserves what he gets.
One of your brethren educated us on the fact that you have to have a "license" to possess a gun. We knew about Chicago and NY, didn't know Mass. was same. Learn something new every day.
Thanks
12/17/2011 1:16:57 AM
Not just a license to possess a firearm, you need a license to possess ammo, or any component of ammo! Get caught with a spent piece of .22 brass in your vehicle, and technically, you're a felon.
Want to carry pepper spray? You need a license for that, too!
I need to move north to NH. As soon as my daughter is done with high school................................
Want to carry pepper spray? You need a license for that, too!
I need to move north to NH. As soon as my daughter is done with high school................................
12/17/2011 1:46:39 AM
Originally Posted By Hawgleg44:
Not just a license to possess a firearm, you need a license to possess ammo, or any component of ammo! Get caught with a spent piece of .22 brass in your vehicle, and technically, you're a felon.
Want to carry pepper spray? You need a license for that, too!
I need to move north to NH. As soon as my daughter is done with high school................................
Not just a license to possess a firearm, you need a license to possess ammo, or any component of ammo! Get caught with a spent piece of .22 brass in your vehicle, and technically, you're a felon.
Want to carry pepper spray? You need a license for that, too!
I need to move north to NH. As soon as my daughter is done with high school................................
Man it must be tough, I couldnt deal with being into guns and living in fear all the time for something kids do in other states (having a spent shell case without lic.), especially if your being responsible.
Obviously the guy I asked about wasn't if he did do what they say he did. I never believe it anymore when they want to bust someone for guns the will say anything.
Sounds like the laws there are un-constitutional just like chicago was found to be, and D.C.
You guys need to get the legal ball rolling on that up there.
Hang tough fellow gun owners up north.
12/17/2011 1:51:02 AM
I'm the guy who posted the original thread in the TX HTF; only had time to post in one before heading off to a meeting, and it was intended more as a cautionary tale to the Fudds in Texas (we have a metric shit-ton) than as a referendum on MA gun laws.
Thanks to Joe for cross-posting it here; I did want to get the NE HTF's opinion on it.
Thanks to Joe for cross-posting it here; I did want to get the NE HTF's opinion on it.
12/17/2011 8:37:03 AM
These are regular discussions up here. CT is pretty fair, but MA,NJ,NY are ridiculous.
But he behaved like a felon, now he are one.
But he behaved like a felon, now he are one.
12/17/2011 9:33:15 AM
The one thing to remember about gun laws in MA, E. MA is different than W. MA. All the laws apply, but the Chiefs in W. MA don't have a problem issuing permits, unlike half the towns in E. MA. I've had my pistol permit for "All Lawful Purposes" since I was 18 (you have to be 21 now). There was an article in a newspaper when I was a kid about the town I live in. 80% of all residents in the town 18 and above and not convicted felons had their permits.
Yes, we need a permit, but we can have just about anything we want, except for post-ban "assault weapons" or full cap mags. If I want a Colt AR, I buy one (can't do that in CT), if I want a machinegun, I buy one (no select fire in CT), if I want to go to a gun club, I have 5 within a half hour ride of me, none costing more than $150/year to join (two as low as $40).
E. MA? Forget it. But I have 4 more years here and I'm gone. So, until then, I don't mind living in my small town W. MA with pretty much any gun I want, including machineguns, my boxes of pre-ban mags and all the cheap gun clubs I need.
Remember, for every law, there's a loophole in the law. The handgun "list" means nothing in MA. We can legally get anything we want.
Don't confuse W. MA with the liberal pieces of crap that make the laws and outnumber us in E. MA.
Yes, we need a permit, but we can have just about anything we want, except for post-ban "assault weapons" or full cap mags. If I want a Colt AR, I buy one (can't do that in CT), if I want a machinegun, I buy one (no select fire in CT), if I want to go to a gun club, I have 5 within a half hour ride of me, none costing more than $150/year to join (two as low as $40).
E. MA? Forget it. But I have 4 more years here and I'm gone. So, until then, I don't mind living in my small town W. MA with pretty much any gun I want, including machineguns, my boxes of pre-ban mags and all the cheap gun clubs I need.
Remember, for every law, there's a loophole in the law. The handgun "list" means nothing in MA. We can legally get anything we want.
Don't confuse W. MA with the liberal pieces of crap that make the laws and outnumber us in E. MA.
12/17/2011 2:53:06 PM
Originally Posted By Hawgleg44:
The one thing to remember about gun laws in MA, E. MA is different than W. MA. All the laws apply, but the Chiefs in W. MA don't have a problem issuing permits, unlike half the towns in E. MA. I've had my pistol permit for "All Lawful Purposes" since I was 18 (you have to be 21 now). There was an article in a newspaper when I was a kid about the town I live in. 80% of all residents in the town 18 and above and not convicted felons had their permits.
Yes, we need a permit, but we can have just about anything we want, except for post-ban "assault weapons" or full cap mags. If I want a Colt AR, I buy one (can't do that in CT), if I want a machinegun, I buy one (no select fire in CT), if I want to go to a gun club, I have 5 within a half hour ride of me, none costing more than $150/year to join (two as low as $40).
E. MA? Forget it. But I have 4 more years here and I'm gone. So, until then, I don't mind living in my small town W. MA with pretty much any gun I want, including machineguns, my boxes of pre-ban mags and all the cheap gun clubs I need.
Remember, for every law, there's a loophole in the law. The handgun "list" means nothing in MA. We can legally get anything we want.
Don't confuse W. MA with the liberal pieces of crap that make the laws and outnumber us in E. MA.
The one thing to remember about gun laws in MA, E. MA is different than W. MA. All the laws apply, but the Chiefs in W. MA don't have a problem issuing permits, unlike half the towns in E. MA. I've had my pistol permit for "All Lawful Purposes" since I was 18 (you have to be 21 now). There was an article in a newspaper when I was a kid about the town I live in. 80% of all residents in the town 18 and above and not convicted felons had their permits.
Yes, we need a permit, but we can have just about anything we want, except for post-ban "assault weapons" or full cap mags. If I want a Colt AR, I buy one (can't do that in CT), if I want a machinegun, I buy one (no select fire in CT), if I want to go to a gun club, I have 5 within a half hour ride of me, none costing more than $150/year to join (two as low as $40).
E. MA? Forget it. But I have 4 more years here and I'm gone. So, until then, I don't mind living in my small town W. MA with pretty much any gun I want, including machineguns, my boxes of pre-ban mags and all the cheap gun clubs I need.
Remember, for every law, there's a loophole in the law. The handgun "list" means nothing in MA. We can legally get anything we want.
Don't confuse W. MA with the liberal pieces of crap that make the laws and outnumber us in E. MA.
Im glad you pointed that out.
Here's why, I'm originally from commie-fornia.
Everyone where I live in the south now thinks the whole place is beverly hills/ San Francisco/ LA. NOT!
Between all the military bases, commercial fisherman, farmers in the south, farmers in central, cattle ranches and loggers up north, California people are actually mostly right wingers.
It's freaking LA/ San Francisco make the policy for the rest of the state.
I grew up in San Diego and going to LA was like going to another country. We couldn't stand the place.
We moved to North County San Diego in the 70's. It was paradise. We hunted deer in east county, quail 5 minutes from my house, road dirt bikes, caught frogs, shot coyotes. The next day 5 minutes the other direction we were surfing, spear fishing, deep sea fishing, diving for abalone. At night we'd ride out to the Mojave desert with my older cousins and kill rattle snakes and make hat bands and stuff. In winter, we'd be sitting at the beach and go hey lets go skiing! We'd be in Mammoth in like 2 hours skiing. Like I said paradise. We also had a gun shop right on the coast highway that was owned by a WW2 Vet. Which being where allot of them stayed we had a ton of vets from WW2 thru Vietnam. Keep in mind allot of the Nam vets where still fairly young in the late 70's early 80's and us kids thought they were absolute bad asses. We used to sit around the gun shop and listen to the old guys tell stories about WW2 and as a kid it was better than watching movies about it.
Then every dick head from every where else moved in and changed the whole place. By the time I went into the Army in 88' the laws made it impossible for the gun shops to exist. Used to be next to an old school surf shop where they made their own boards sat a gun shop. Now its a tourist store that sells ty dye shirts next to a surf shop that couldn't make a board if they had to. I mention this as it's like maybe a woodworker makes furniture in the North East, now they would order shit from china or something. We go back home to visit and its all gone, were strangers in our own town, all hippies and lib tards. So we live in Texas, own whatever guns we want, shoot as often as possible, and we surf ship waves down in Gavelston ship channel. It's good enough.
12/17/2011 3:04:16 PM
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12/17/2011 5:26:00 PM
Originally Posted By shooter_tx:
A moderator on SigForum posted this earlier:
This was not in the context of "regular" guns; rather, a "small-run" gun, the Boberg Arm's XR9-S.
Originally Posted By Hawgleg44:
Remember, for every law, there's a loophole in the law. The handgun "list" means nothing in MA. We can legally get anything we want.
Remember, for every law, there's a loophole in the law. The handgun "list" means nothing in MA. We can legally get anything we want.
A moderator on SigForum posted this earlier:
I'm really interested in one of these, but will never see one unless he submits 5 to MA for testing. I hope that happens, but I won't be surprised if it doesn't.
The "submit 5 for testing" bullshit is why there are so few "approved" firearms in MA. It's a deliberate ploy.
I really hope he submits 5.
Arc.
The "submit 5 for testing" bullshit is why there are so few "approved" firearms in MA. It's a deliberate ploy.
I really hope he submits 5.
Arc.
This was not in the context of "regular" guns; rather, a "small-run" gun, the Boberg Arm's XR9-S.
Approval only affects dealer saleability to the general public. If he can find a private party in MA with one, he can buy it. And, as long as he has the appropriate Mass LTC, he can continue to possess it.
Dealers can possess (whatever) for sale out-of-state/ to dealers, LE,...
12/18/2011 1:57:14 PM
In the TX HTF thread, I make the point that:
Can anyone here comment on this? Or is there already a thread on use of force laws in MA here in the NE HTF?
I know this didn't happen in Texas, but in Texas, if the other guy was the one who threw the first punch ("force," and potentially "deadly force"), this guy may have been justified in using the threat of force (which has the same standard for use as regular "force," but not "deadly force").
We've got a guy from NE in on this thread, so it'd be interesting to see how "in the wrong" this guy would be if the other guy was the aggressor.
We've got a guy from NE in on this thread, so it'd be interesting to see how "in the wrong" this guy would be if the other guy was the aggressor.
Can anyone here comment on this? Or is there already a thread on use of force laws in MA here in the NE HTF?
12/18/2011 2:12:13 PM
Originally Posted By shooter_tx:
In the TX HTF thread, I make the point that:
Can anyone here comment on this? Or is there already a thread on use of force laws in MA here in the NE HTF?
In the TX HTF thread, I make the point that:
I know this didn't happen in Texas, but in Texas, if the other guy was the one who threw the first punch ("force," and potentially "deadly force"), this guy may have been justified in using the threat of force (which has the same standard for use as regular "force," but not "deadly force").
We've got a guy from NE in on this thread, so it'd be interesting to see how "in the wrong" this guy would be if the other guy was the aggressor.
We've got a guy from NE in on this thread, so it'd be interesting to see how "in the wrong" this guy would be if the other guy was the aggressor.
Can anyone here comment on this? Or is there already a thread on use of force laws in MA here in the NE HTF?
Not sure what you are asking but use of force is irrelevant if he was prohibited from possessing the guns in MA (non-licensed)
12/18/2011 3:29:05 PM
Yeah, I was just asking about the "assault" charge, not the "illegal and/or prohibited possession" angle.
12/19/2011 1:41:33 AM
Originally Posted By Joe-A275:
Man it must be tough, I couldnt deal with being into guns and living in fear all the time for something kids do in other states (having a spent shell case without lic.), especially if your being responsible.
Obviously the guy I asked about wasn't if he did do what they say he did. I never believe it anymore when they want to bust someone for guns the will say anything.
Sounds like the laws there are un-constitutional just like chicago was found to be, and D.C.
You guys need to get the legal ball rolling on that up there.
Hang tough fellow gun owners up north.
Originally Posted By Hawgleg44:
Not just a license to possess a firearm, you need a license to possess ammo, or any component of ammo! Get caught with a spent piece of .22 brass in your vehicle, and technically, you're a felon.
Want to carry pepper spray? You need a license for that, too!
I need to move north to NH. As soon as my daughter is done with high school................................
Not just a license to possess a firearm, you need a license to possess ammo, or any component of ammo! Get caught with a spent piece of .22 brass in your vehicle, and technically, you're a felon.
Want to carry pepper spray? You need a license for that, too!
I need to move north to NH. As soon as my daughter is done with high school................................
Man it must be tough, I couldnt deal with being into guns and living in fear all the time for something kids do in other states (having a spent shell case without lic.), especially if your being responsible.
Obviously the guy I asked about wasn't if he did do what they say he did. I never believe it anymore when they want to bust someone for guns the will say anything.
Sounds like the laws there are un-constitutional just like chicago was found to be, and D.C.
You guys need to get the legal ball rolling on that up there.
Hang tough fellow gun owners up north.
That would be a lot easier said if Heller and McDonald hadn't fought for the right to possess firearms via licensing/ registration frameworks. Given that, the Mass licensing system is liberal enough that I can fathom it being found unconstitutional. Rather, challenges right now would probaby see it be affirmed as a legitimate exercise of government authority in the interest of public safety- that is, preventing access by a class of persons identified in Heller as excluded from enjoying the right enumerated by the Second. Such precedent would be a disservice to fighting other licensing schemes that are 'more repressive.'
12/19/2011 8:48:10 AM
F Massachusetts
12/20/2011 3:50:44 PM
Originally Posted By Hawgleg44:
The one thing to remember about gun laws in MA, E. MA is different than W. MA. All the laws apply, but the Chiefs in W. MA don't have a problem issuing permits, unlike half the towns in E. MA. I've had my pistol permit for "All Lawful Purposes" since I was 18 (you have to be 21 now). There was an article in a newspaper when I was a kid about the town I live in. 80% of all residents in the town 18 and above and not convicted felons had their permits.
Yes, we need a permit, but we can have just about anything we want, except for post-ban "assault weapons" or full cap mags. If I want a Colt AR, I buy one (can't do that in CT), if I want a machinegun, I buy one (no select fire in CT), if I want to go to a gun club, I have 5 within a half hour ride of me, none costing more than $150/year to join (two as low as $40).
E. MA? Forget it. But I have 4 more years here and I'm gone. So, until then, I don't mind living in my small town W. MA with pretty much any gun I want, including machineguns, my boxes of pre-ban mags and all the cheap gun clubs I need.
Remember, for every law, there's a loophole in the law. The handgun "list" means nothing in MA. We can legally get anything we want.
Don't confuse W. MA with the liberal pieces of crap that make the laws and outnumber us in E. MA.
The one thing to remember about gun laws in MA, E. MA is different than W. MA. All the laws apply, but the Chiefs in W. MA don't have a problem issuing permits, unlike half the towns in E. MA. I've had my pistol permit for "All Lawful Purposes" since I was 18 (you have to be 21 now). There was an article in a newspaper when I was a kid about the town I live in. 80% of all residents in the town 18 and above and not convicted felons had their permits.
Yes, we need a permit, but we can have just about anything we want, except for post-ban "assault weapons" or full cap mags. If I want a Colt AR, I buy one (can't do that in CT), if I want a machinegun, I buy one (no select fire in CT), if I want to go to a gun club, I have 5 within a half hour ride of me, none costing more than $150/year to join (two as low as $40).
E. MA? Forget it. But I have 4 more years here and I'm gone. So, until then, I don't mind living in my small town W. MA with pretty much any gun I want, including machineguns, my boxes of pre-ban mags and all the cheap gun clubs I need.
Remember, for every law, there's a loophole in the law. The handgun "list" means nothing in MA. We can legally get anything we want.
Don't confuse W. MA with the liberal pieces of crap that make the laws and outnumber us in E. MA.
I live on Cape Cod, I dont know of any different laws between here and W. Mass. I know alot of people with their LTC and no one has had any issues obtaining one. All local departments will issue without a problem unless there is a reason you should'nt have it. The gun laws are the same here, machine guns with proper paperwork ( bona fide collector or instructor ) but it can be done. Handguns, rifle, high caps (preban), I can and do have a good amount.
As for ranges, there are Barnstable, Bourne, Plymouth, I think there might be one in eastham but not sure, Harwich, Yarmouth and others all within 10 minutes to 45 minutes for $50 per year -$200 per year. My side of the state is just as easy going as any other part.
That being said, I also cant wait to get out of here. Hopefully i'll move by next summer.
12/20/2011 10:11:53 PM
Originally Posted By steve8140:
I live on Cape Cod, I dont know of any different laws between here and W. Mass. I know alot of people with their LTC and no one has had any issues obtaining one. All local departments will issue without a problem unless there is a reason you should'nt have it. The gun laws are the same here, machine guns with proper paperwork ( bona fide collector or instructor ) but it can be done. Handguns, rifle, high caps (preban), I can and do have a good amount.
As for ranges, there are Barnstable, Bourne, Plymouth, I think there might be one in eastham but not sure, Harwich, Yarmouth and others all within 10 minutes to 45 minutes for $50 per year -$200 per year. My side of the state is just as easy going as any other part.
That being said, I also cant wait to get out of here. Hopefully i'll move by next summer.
Originally Posted By Hawgleg44:
The one thing to remember about gun laws in MA, E. MA is different than W. MA. All the laws apply, but the Chiefs in W. MA don't have a problem issuing permits, unlike half the towns in E. MA. I've had my pistol permit for "All Lawful Purposes" since I was 18 (you have to be 21 now). There was an article in a newspaper when I was a kid about the town I live in. 80% of all residents in the town 18 and above and not convicted felons had their permits.
Yes, we need a permit, but we can have just about anything we want, except for post-ban "assault weapons" or full cap mags. If I want a Colt AR, I buy one (can't do that in CT), if I want a machinegun, I buy one (no select fire in CT), if I want to go to a gun club, I have 5 within a half hour ride of me, none costing more than $150/year to join (two as low as $40).
E. MA? Forget it. But I have 4 more years here and I'm gone. So, until then, I don't mind living in my small town W. MA with pretty much any gun I want, including machineguns, my boxes of pre-ban mags and all the cheap gun clubs I need.
Remember, for every law, there's a loophole in the law. The handgun "list" means nothing in MA. We can legally get anything we want.
Don't confuse W. MA with the liberal pieces of crap that make the laws and outnumber us in E. MA.
The one thing to remember about gun laws in MA, E. MA is different than W. MA. All the laws apply, but the Chiefs in W. MA don't have a problem issuing permits, unlike half the towns in E. MA. I've had my pistol permit for "All Lawful Purposes" since I was 18 (you have to be 21 now). There was an article in a newspaper when I was a kid about the town I live in. 80% of all residents in the town 18 and above and not convicted felons had their permits.
Yes, we need a permit, but we can have just about anything we want, except for post-ban "assault weapons" or full cap mags. If I want a Colt AR, I buy one (can't do that in CT), if I want a machinegun, I buy one (no select fire in CT), if I want to go to a gun club, I have 5 within a half hour ride of me, none costing more than $150/year to join (two as low as $40).
E. MA? Forget it. But I have 4 more years here and I'm gone. So, until then, I don't mind living in my small town W. MA with pretty much any gun I want, including machineguns, my boxes of pre-ban mags and all the cheap gun clubs I need.
Remember, for every law, there's a loophole in the law. The handgun "list" means nothing in MA. We can legally get anything we want.
Don't confuse W. MA with the liberal pieces of crap that make the laws and outnumber us in E. MA.
I live on Cape Cod, I dont know of any different laws between here and W. Mass. I know alot of people with their LTC and no one has had any issues obtaining one. All local departments will issue without a problem unless there is a reason you should'nt have it. The gun laws are the same here, machine guns with proper paperwork ( bona fide collector or instructor ) but it can be done. Handguns, rifle, high caps (preban), I can and do have a good amount.
As for ranges, there are Barnstable, Bourne, Plymouth, I think there might be one in eastham but not sure, Harwich, Yarmouth and others all within 10 minutes to 45 minutes for $50 per year -$200 per year. My side of the state is just as easy going as any other part.
That being said, I also cant wait to get out of here. Hopefully i'll move by next summer.
Then Cape Cod is different than the rest of E. MA. I'm not saying that the laws are different, but all I hear from people out East is how difficult many towns are to obtain a permit in, how gunshops charge outrageous amounts for transfers and how expensive gun clubs are to join.
I never said that the laws are different between Eastern and Western MA, just that W. MA is much more gun friendly in terms of getting your permits. I know few people from Cape Cod, so I guess you have it as good as we do in W. MA. I feel for the guys in the towns around Boston.
12/28/2011 8:19:20 PM
+1 with regard to the difference between western MA and eastern MA. Same laws but different viewpoints on the subject. 21 years spent in eastern MA. I remember my mother having to get an FID card to buy my brother a BB gun. I have a friend who is still down there who is still waiting (6 months and counting) for a permit. Local law enforcement keeps giving him the run around and this guy's background is spotless. I have cousins and friends in western MA. Lots of beautiful country out there and good hunting out by the NY border. Never heard any of my family or friends tell me of any difficulties getting the proper paperwork.
1/2/2012 5:14:57 PM
Thankfully I don't live in one of those eastern towns that don't issue LTC's. The laws in this state make me almost paranoid sometimes as this state is likely make an "example" out of us instead of the criminals.
1/2/2012 7:22:23 PM
Originally Posted By Badlatitude:
F Massachusetts
F Massachusetts
meh. same can be said about Connecticut.
1/2/2012 7:36:17 PM
Originally Posted By djsmiles:
meh. same can be said about Connecticut.
Originally Posted By Badlatitude:
F Massachusetts
F Massachusetts
meh. same can be said about Connecticut.
Que?
Our carry laws are better than almost any other state, and although our permitting process leaves much to be desired (along with our AWB) it is only a small fraction of the hassle you have to go through to own firearms in MA.
You can purchase longarms and possess ammunition and firearms (and BB guns, spent casings, etc) in CT with no permit.
No capacity restrictions on magazines.
1/2/2012 7:52:35 PM
And if you get your CT CCW permit. and a Florida nonresident permit you can legally carry in 34 states. Hmmm, which states are excluded from this list?
NY, NJ, RI, NH, Maine, Massachusetts, Commiefornia, Oregon, Illinois, et al. Notice the pattern? Hippylibtard states, save NH, thats a weird one.
Don't get me wrong, CT laws piss me off, but after working with and understanding them (ie, buying a preban lower receiver), we have learned to beat Hartford at their own game. Oh yeah I almost forgot ....NFA and Class 3 is OK. SBRs and suppressors. Oh yeah, we can can.
I'd still rather have PA or Fl laws.
NY, NJ, RI, NH, Maine, Massachusetts, Commiefornia, Oregon, Illinois, et al. Notice the pattern? Hippylibtard states, save NH, thats a weird one.
Don't get me wrong, CT laws piss me off, but after working with and understanding them (ie, buying a preban lower receiver), we have learned to beat Hartford at their own game. Oh yeah I almost forgot ....NFA and Class 3 is OK. SBRs and suppressors. Oh yeah, we can can.
I'd still rather have PA or Fl laws.
1/2/2012 8:07:08 PM
Originally Posted By cavgunner:
And if you get your CT CCW permit. and a Florida nonresident permit you can legally carry in 34 states. Hmmm, which states are excluded from this list?
NY, NJ, RI, NH, Maine, Massachusetts, Commiefornia, Oregon, Illinois, et al. Notice the pattern? Hippylibtard states, save NH, thats a weird one.
Don't get me wrong, CT laws piss me off, but after working with and understanding them (ie, buying a preban lower receiver), we have learned to beat Hartford at their own game. Oh yeah I almost forgot ....NFA and Class 3 is OK. SBRs and suppressors. Oh yeah, we can can.
I'd still rather have PA or Fl laws.
And if you get your CT CCW permit. and a Florida nonresident permit you can legally carry in 34 states. Hmmm, which states are excluded from this list?
NY, NJ, RI, NH, Maine, Massachusetts, Commiefornia, Oregon, Illinois, et al. Notice the pattern? Hippylibtard states, save NH, thats a weird one.
Don't get me wrong, CT laws piss me off, but after working with and understanding them (ie, buying a preban lower receiver), we have learned to beat Hartford at their own game. Oh yeah I almost forgot ....NFA and Class 3 is OK. SBRs and suppressors. Oh yeah, we can can.
I'd still rather have PA or Fl laws.
I've never understood that about MA.The people who bitch about the noise from gun clubs should be pushing for legal suppressors.
1/2/2012 10:06:05 PM
No kidding. OSHA laws or somesuch.
1/2/2012 10:11:35 PM
Originally Posted By FlyingColumn:
+1 with regard to the difference between western MA and eastern MA. Same laws but different viewpoints on the subject. 21 years spent in eastern MA. I remember my mother having to get an FID card to buy my brother a BB gun. I have a friend who is still down there who is still waiting (6 months and counting) for a permit. Local law enforcement keeps giving him the run around and this guy's background is spotless. I have cousins and friends in western MA. Lots of beautiful country out there and good hunting out by the NY border. Never heard any of my family or friends tell me of any difficulties getting the proper paperwork.
+1 with regard to the difference between western MA and eastern MA. Same laws but different viewpoints on the subject. 21 years spent in eastern MA. I remember my mother having to get an FID card to buy my brother a BB gun. I have a friend who is still down there who is still waiting (6 months and counting) for a permit. Local law enforcement keeps giving him the run around and this guy's background is spotless. I have cousins and friends in western MA. Lots of beautiful country out there and good hunting out by the NY border. Never heard any of my family or friends tell me of any difficulties getting the proper paperwork.
I'm generally not a fan of involving the feds in... well, anything... but that sounds to me like his due process rights (at the very least) are being infringed upon.
1/2/2012 10:31:19 PM
Answer me this.
Can you OC in Texas? Is that too much to ask? It's fucking Texas, isn't it?
Riddle me this.
Hey, I don't get it either.
You and I are on the same page here OP, no argument.
Can you OC in Texas? Is that too much to ask? It's fucking Texas, isn't it?
Riddle me this.
Hey, I don't get it either.
You and I are on the same page here OP, no argument.
1/2/2012 11:43:00 PM
Originally Posted By eric496:
I've never understood that about MA.The people who bitch about the noise from gun clubs should be pushing for legal suppressors.
I've never understood that about MA.The people who bitch about the noise from gun clubs should be pushing for legal suppressors.
They can bitch all they want, but back when Weld was Governor he passed a law protecting all existing gun clubs from noise complaints. At the larger club I belong to, we have a good relationship with our neighbors. We don't allow outdoor shooting after dark or on Sundays before noon except for club sanctioned events like registered Trap or training classes. Even if someone moves in that complains, they legally don't have a foot to stand on.
1/3/2012 2:41:01 AM
Originally Posted By savage_winchester:
Answer me this.
Can you OC in Texas? Is that too much to ask? It's fucking Texas, isn't it?
Riddle me this.
Hey, I don't get it either.
You and I are on the same page here OP, no argument.
Answer me this.
Can you OC in Texas? Is that too much to ask? It's fucking Texas, isn't it?
Riddle me this.
Hey, I don't get it either.
You and I are on the same page here OP, no argument.
Nope. Not outside of a few narrow exceptions, anyway...
It's one of the things I was referring to in the thread that spawned this one, when I said:
^ We all have our Second Amendment-related crosses to bear... 
ETA: I would like to see us more toward more of a Constitutional Carry-type regime... the closer we can get toward AK, AZ, NM, NV, VT, the better (IMHO).
As a CHL instructor friend of mine says, that would be no reason to scrap the CHL program we already have in place.
It could be retained for reciprocity reasons, as well as a reduced number of prohibited places (for example, campus carry).
ETA: I would like to see us more toward more of a Constitutional Carry-type regime... the closer we can get toward AK, AZ, NM, NV, VT, the better (IMHO).
As a CHL instructor friend of mine says, that would be no reason to scrap the CHL program we already have in place.
It could be retained for reciprocity reasons, as well as a reduced number of prohibited places (for example, campus carry).
1/3/2012 2:43:44 AM
Originally Posted By Hawgleg44:
They can bitch all they want, but back when Weld was Governor he passed a law protecting all existing gun clubs from noise complaints. At the larger club I belong to, we have a good relationship with our neighbors. We don't allow outdoor shooting after dark or on Sundays before noon except for club sanctioned events like registered Trap or training classes. Even if someone moves in that complains, they legally don't have a foot to stand on.
Originally Posted By eric496:
I've never understood that about MA.The people who bitch about the noise from gun clubs should be pushing for legal suppressors.
I've never understood that about MA.The people who bitch about the noise from gun clubs should be pushing for legal suppressors.
They can bitch all they want, but back when Weld was Governor he passed a law protecting all existing gun clubs from noise complaints. At the larger club I belong to, we have a good relationship with our neighbors. We don't allow outdoor shooting after dark or on Sundays before noon except for club sanctioned events like registered Trap or training classes. Even if someone moves in that complains, they legally don't have a foot to stand on.
Believe it or not, even Texas has trouble with range harassment.
IIRC, a good "range protection" bill was one of the few pro-gun bills which passed in our biennial system.
We'll get another crack at campus carry and expanding range protection... in 2013.
1/4/2012 8:30:58 AM
Originally Posted By Burbs:
Thankfully I don't live in one of those eastern towns that don't issue LTC's. The laws in this state make me almost paranoid sometimes as this state is likely make an "example" out of us instead of the criminals.
Thankfully I don't live in one of those eastern towns that don't issue LTC's. The laws in this state make me almost paranoid sometimes as this state is likely make an "example" out of us instead of the criminals.
I've had an LTC for >30 years in MA and teach a MA gun laws seminar regularly. There are NO known "eastern towns that don't issue LTC's" in MA!
There are cities/towns that restrict what you can do with an LTC (e.g. no concealed carry, sport & hunting, etc.) but they do issue them.
Yes, the laws can drive you insane and very few of us understand them and how they are implemented. I also agree that criminals get a free ride in the in-justice system, whereas honest people trying to be law-abiding get screwed.
1/4/2012 8:34:02 AM
Personally I would never tolerate such a long wait. I'd be in contact with my state legislators having them demand an explanation from the PD. Every person I know of that has done that has received their permit very quickly after the inquiry by a legislator!
Most in MA don't have the guts to do this, so sadly they just stew about it and bitch to their gunny friends about it and nothing changes.
Most in MA don't have the guts to do this, so sadly they just stew about it and bitch to their gunny friends about it and nothing changes.
Originally Posted By shooter_tx:
I'm generally not a fan of involving the feds in... well, anything... but that sounds to me like his due process rights (at the very least) are being infringed upon.
Originally Posted By FlyingColumn:
+1 with regard to the difference between western MA and eastern MA. Same laws but different viewpoints on the subject. 21 years spent in eastern MA. I remember my mother having to get an FID card to buy my brother a BB gun. I have a friend who is still down there who is still waiting (6 months and counting) for a permit. Local law enforcement keeps giving him the run around and this guy's background is spotless. I have cousins and friends in western MA. Lots of beautiful country out there and good hunting out by the NY border. Never heard any of my family or friends tell me of any difficulties getting the proper paperwork.
+1 with regard to the difference between western MA and eastern MA. Same laws but different viewpoints on the subject. 21 years spent in eastern MA. I remember my mother having to get an FID card to buy my brother a BB gun. I have a friend who is still down there who is still waiting (6 months and counting) for a permit. Local law enforcement keeps giving him the run around and this guy's background is spotless. I have cousins and friends in western MA. Lots of beautiful country out there and good hunting out by the NY border. Never heard any of my family or friends tell me of any difficulties getting the proper paperwork.
I'm generally not a fan of involving the feds in... well, anything... but that sounds to me like his due process rights (at the very least) are being infringed upon.
1/4/2012 2:58:05 PM
^^^ Exactly!
Obviously in this particular case it'd be a state legislator, but here is what one of my [U.S.] Senators has:
http://cornyn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=HelpWithFederalAgencies
Obviously in this particular case it'd be a state legislator, but here is what one of my [U.S.] Senators has:
http://cornyn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=HelpWithFederalAgencies
