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zegermanznew  [Member]
9/30/2010 6:57:14 PM
Hey guys, first time owner here. I am a CT citizen living in VT for a couple months. While up here I purchased a RRA AR15 thats AWB complaint for CT. (which drew me a ton of flak from the guys in the shop for neutering a perfectly good rifle!) I know I have to register it in CT but is there a way I can do it before I get back? Or is this something you have to bring in to register? In that case is there a grace period for bringing it into the state? And if so where do I bring it? Any sort of direction would be useful. Thanks
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emsjeep  [Member]
9/30/2010 7:35:37 PM
If its ban compliant, isn't it just another rifle?
Sec. 53-202a. Assault weapons: Definition. (a) As used in this section and sections 53-202b to 53-202k, inclusive, "assault weapon" means:

(1) Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: Algimec Agmi; Armalite AR-180; Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol; Auto-Ordnance Thompson type; Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type; Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1; Beretta AR-70; Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol; Calico models M-900, M-950 and 100-P; Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88; Colt AR-15 and Sporter; Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2; Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45; Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC; FAMAS MAS 223; Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT; Federal XC-900 and XC-450; Franchi SPAS-12 and LAW-12; Galil AR and ARM; Goncz High-Tech Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol; Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89; Holmes MP-83; MAC-10, MAC-11 and MAC-11 Carbine type; Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion; Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000; Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only; Scarab Skorpion; SIG 57 AMT and 500 series; Spectre Auto Carbine and Auto Pistol; Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G-3; Sterling MK-6 and MK-7; Steyr AUG; Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns; USAS-12; UZI Carbine, Mini-Carbine and Pistol; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson "Linda" Pistol;

(2) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person;

(3) Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) of this subsection that meets the following criteria:

(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

(i) A folding or telescoping stock;

(ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

(iii) A bayonet mount;

(iv) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and

(v) A grenade launcher; or

(B) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

(i) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

(ii) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer;

(iii) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;

(iv) A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and

(v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; or

(C) A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:

(i) A folding or telescoping stock;

(ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

(iii) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; and

(iv) An ability to accept a detachable magazine; or

(4) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3) of this subsection, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3) of this subsection, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

(b) As used in this section and sections 53-202b to 53-202k, inclusive, the term "assault weapon" does not include any firearm modified to render it permanently inoperable.
sbhaven  [Member]
9/30/2010 7:35:56 PM
Originally Posted By zegermanznew:
know I have to register it in CT but is there a way I can do it before I get back?

Where (which statute) does it say you have to register a post ban AR that complies to the state's AWB?

zegermanznew  [Member]
9/30/2010 7:39:06 PM
So what your telling me is that no one needs to know its in my possession?
sbhaven  [Member]
9/30/2010 7:44:33 PM
Originally Posted By zegermanznew:
So what your telling me is that no one needs to know its in my possession?

If its post ban and AWB compliant rifle, why should they?

Here's a page with lots of the CT firearm statutes links that's a good reference when issues and questions arise.
http://www.jud.ct.gov/LawLib/Law/firearms.htm

zegermanznew  [Member]
9/30/2010 7:51:43 PM
Not sure haha, just trying to cover my own a$$ I guess.
sbhaven  [Member]
9/30/2010 8:13:31 PM
You can move here with any legally owned (which was legally purchased in another state) handgun or AWB compliant rifle. No need to tell anyone (except us of course ) what you own.

There is a lot of misinformation or assumptions about this states firearms laws because we are surrounded by NY and MA. The links previously mentioned will flesh out what is allowed and what isn't. The other thing that people think we have is a magazine ban (size/manufacturing date restriction). There isn't one, no limit on magazine size or manufacture date.
zegermanznew  [Member]
9/30/2010 8:52:19 PM
Good to know. Thank you.

In addition I understand Im probably reposting here but it will save me hours of searching existing posts if I just come out and ask it. Im sorry if Im testing anybodys patience. Thanks for putting up with my "newb-ness". hahaha
sardo_67  [Member]
10/1/2010 12:43:09 AM
Originally Posted By zegermanznew:
So what your telling me is that no one needs to know its in my possession?


+1 on that. there is no registration in this state, even on pre-bans. the only thing that's registered are Banned "assault weapons" like a Colt AR-15 but that had to be registered before the 93 law.
only law that pertains to you is having to make a Post 94 gun compliant and that's it.
Tyler259  [Team Member]
10/1/2010 12:43:57 AM
Your good to go man.

Just make sure you follow FOPA travel laws when traveling from VT through Mass back into CT.

"Safe Passage" part. make sure you lock your shit up. I've heard some ridiculous stories about getting in trouble for a spent casing in the vehicle in MA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act#.22Safe_Passage.22_provision
zegermanznew  [Member]
10/1/2010 5:56:13 AM
Yes good point Tyler. I purchased the gun from Parros, the police dealer up here, and they even advised calling the Mass state police before transit to alert them I would be carrying a weapon through their state as an act of good graces sort of thing. They said usually theyll just tag your plate and leave you alone if they see you. I have a trucker friend and he makes similar calls to Virginia and other states down south when passing through with his shotgun IN his cab.
_Matt_  [Team Member]
10/1/2010 9:05:25 AM

Originally Posted By zegermanznew:
Yes good point Tyler. I purchased the gun from Parros, the police dealer up here, and they even advised calling the Mass state police before transit to alert them I would be carrying a weapon through their state as an act of good graces sort of thing. They said usually theyll just tag your plate and leave you alone if they see you. I have a trucker friend and he makes similar calls to Virginia and other states down south when passing through with his shotgun IN his cab.



I would advise you NOT to do that



Tyler259  [Team Member]
10/1/2010 1:17:42 PM
Yeah not sure I'd do that either.

OPSEC.
JohnsMyName  [Member]
10/1/2010 5:26:17 PM
Don't mean to hijack the thread, but I live in RI where I purchased a pre-ban PWA stripped lower. I shoot in CT a lot and wanted to use my AR there. If/when I move back to CT do I need to register my rifle or does an FFL friend need to "import" it?
Tyler259  [Team Member]
10/1/2010 6:23:15 PM
No. This isn't Canada.
_Matt_  [Team Member]
10/1/2010 7:32:09 PM
damn

can a mod edit the title to say that there is no registration in CT?

they state does save all the records from the dps-3-c forms you fill out, but you are not required to "register" any firearms when you move in state or purchase FTF
since we have a bunch of nitpickers here, I feel the need to point out that FTF sales of handguns between CT residents require a dps-3-c form filled out and send to the state and town the purchaser resides in. Also, just so noone can say I withheld info, the state does "strongly recommend" that you register all your firearms with them. Its for the children and all.





CTbuilder1  [Team Member]
10/1/2010 8:16:54 PM
Originally Posted By JohnsMyName:
Don't mean to hijack the thread, but I live in RI where I purchased a pre-ban PWA stripped lower. I shoot in CT a lot and wanted to use my AR there. If/when I move back to CT do I need to register my rifle or does an FFL friend need to "import" it?


No.

zegermanznew  [Member]
10/2/2010 11:08:21 AM
Hey Matt, why would the title be changed? You just said the state strongly recommends you register with them, (which may be what I mis-understood), so why would I arrogantly advertise there is no registration in CT? You just said there is. I think that would draw more angry ranting than your little tif here. Secondly Im not moving in state, Im already in state, I basically live in a hotel in VT temporarily for work. My registered address is still in CT. Thirdly, the question was answered, so your little rant was quite unnecessary and 2 days late. Next time I need to acquire some knowledge on here maybe I should just message you first and make sure its ok.

And I will be registering it with the state . . . for the children and all.
CTbuilder1  [Team Member]
10/2/2010 11:19:34 AM
Originally Posted By zegermanznew:
Hey Matt, why would the title be changed? You just said the state strongly recommends you register with them, (which may be what I mis-understood), so why would I arrogantly advertise there is no registration in CT? You just said there is. I think that would draw more angry ranting than your little tif here. Secondly Im not moving in state, Im already in state, I basically live in a hotel in VT temporarily for work. My registered address is still in CT. Thirdly, the question was answered, so your little rant was quite unnecessary and 2 days late. Next time I need to acquire some knowledge on here maybe I should just message you first and make sure its ok.

And I will be registering it with the state . . . for the children and all.


You'll be registering your postban rifle with the state? Why?
zegermanznew  [Member]
10/2/2010 11:52:09 AM
Why not? What happens if it is stolen. Its for HD but some 80% of break ins happen when your not home. And I dont have the money to drop on a safe right now. What are the pros and cons of either.

I work in construction and I register every tool I buy thats worth more than $100. (With manufacturer) Both for warranty and theft insurance purposes. When I was like 10 or 12 I registered my bicycle at my elementary school and when it was stolen, later found and returned, months after home owners had already bought me another one. 12 years old with 2 bikes. I was hot sh1#.

I know nobody necessarily likes the laws or guidelines but if Ive learnt anything about why the laws are different up here in VT compared to back home in CT, its because we seem to have a problem with people killing each other in CT. People who create these laws do so because they're afraid of guns. They dont understand guns, so naturally they are afraid. Well I dont understand their laws, so naturally Im afraid of them. And if I know anything, its that the more compliant and cooperative you are with the law, the less chance you have of running into it. They clearly ask you to register for a reason. Im not trying to tell anyone to go do it, but I cant for the life of me understand why people would have a problem with someone registering?!?! I would however love for you to convince me not to, what are the advantages to not registering?
zegermanznew  [Member]
10/2/2010 12:04:22 PM
I would like the add an example for the cooperative part. Say I get pulled over en-route to the range, and I can tell the officer yes there is a firearm in my vehicle, its is registered with the state and he can check it. His or her suspicion about my intentions may swing hugely to my side seeing Ive acted professionally about my ownership. Obviously Im in the clear either way but I just imagine it going smoother this way. Im not to thrilled about the idea of the state knowing "my business" in my house and on my property, but there will be plenty of time when its on their roads. In my personal experience, cooperation just goes a very long way with the law. So why not just cooperate.
CTbuilder1  [Team Member]
10/2/2010 12:22:18 PM
Do whatever you want. I see no need to voluntarily register a firearm that is purchased out of state. Any new ones you purchase in state will most likely end up registered by default anyways. I'm pretty sure every firearm I own is "registered" because they were purchased from dealers and I filled out DPS-3-c forms. But if I bought one from a private party (rifle) I would nit feel compelled to voluntarily register it, because there is no law saying I have to. Not worth my effort.


Registering tools for warranty purpose and registering guns with the state is like comparing apples and bulldozers.

I have no worries about LE in this state and am happy to cooperate with them. But even the state will tell you that it's voluntary. I know people who have called asking for advice on a transfer of a long gun and told by DPS that it wasn't even necessary. I still do it on every gun I have sold to make sure they are OUT of my name but would never go out of my way to make sure they are in my name. Voluntary registartion has nothing to do with "acting professionally" about ones ownership. Just follow the actual laws and you will be fine.
Tyler259  [Team Member]
10/2/2010 12:33:04 PM
Hey man this is just some friendly advice.

There's no reason for you to call anyone telling them you have that certain rifle.

If you fill out a 4473 for the gun chances are your already on a list. (what many here say I may be wrong).

If you think it'll be stolen right down the serial number or store it some other way.

I see no point in making sure LEO and the state knows all about your guns even more by registering them. Why invite the man into your life? Seriously calling the Mass. Police to tell them your driving through with a gun? Do you know how many times people drive through Mass a day with guns and they are fine. You only hear about the 1 or 2 idiots every so often. But you don't need to go to the leaps and bounds your talking here to be within the law.

Ct is not some magically shitty place where all guns need to me registered and locked up kept away in a dark bunker.

You also said "your not thrilled about them knowing your business".

So why let them?

Honestly your thinking into things way to much. It happens to a lot of people.

Read over our laws and AWB and don't listen to the bullshit you here at gunshops or from misinformed people. We can help you out but look at tacked threads & then come back with more relevant questions.

Check out CTguntalk.com Opencarry.com Northeastshooters.com and there are many other valuable resources as well.

You can even own and use a Suppressor in CT.

Take it easy.
sbhaven  [Member]
10/2/2010 12:33:19 PM
Originally Posted By zegermanznew:
Why not? What happens if it is stolen.

You call the police and report the firearm as stolen and give them the serial number(s) and description of the firearm. Per state statute you are supposed to report the theft/loss of any "assault weapon" or other firearm within 72 hours of discovering the weapon is missing.

There is no law mandating that you register your firearms when you move into this state. If you choose to do so that is your personal choice. There are pro's and con's on the subject of registration. In a free society there is no reason why the government should know what I legally purchase and possess. For some of us we view the use of registration as simply another method of gun control by the state. Once the state knows what you have because you "registered" it, they can now go door to door and confiscate the "registered" item if they so desired.

Some thoughts on gun registration.
http://www.haciendapub.com/iol2.html
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_registration.html
http://www.gunlaws.com/gunreggie.htm
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/8/31/200747.shtml
http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2010/08/canadian-views-on-gun-registration-and.html
http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/registration_article/registration.html
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/janak/050801
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_registration_ca.html
_Matt_  [Team Member]
10/2/2010 12:41:19 PM

Originally Posted By zegermanznew:
Hey Matt, why would the title be changed? You just said the state strongly recommends you register with them, (which may be what I mis-understood), so why would I arrogantly advertise there is no registration in CT? You just said there is. I think that would draw more angry ranting than your little tif here. Secondly Im not moving in state, Im already in state, I basically live in a hotel in VT temporarily for work. My registered address is still in CT. Thirdly, the question was answered, so your little rant was quite unnecessary and 2 days late. Next time I need to acquire some knowledge on here maybe I should just message you first and make sure its ok.

And I will be registering it with the state . . . for the children and all.


apparently the internet is serious business



i asked (half joking) that the title be changed because in a matter of days 2 people have asked if CT has registration, and I had never heard it asked here before- sometimes people only read titles and get wrong ideas. Backed up by the fact that in your opening post "you know you have to register it in CT" just adds to the confusion.


The state (DPS) recommends you register with them- so they can have a record of weapons in your house when they need it- such as responding to a domestic disturbance. They tell you that it is in case it gets stolen, but I am sure that if you kept a list with serial numbers and pictures you would have 10 times more useful information than the state.

I will attempt to keep my ranting to a minimum, and also keep it timely; I wouldn't want you to have to wait 2 days again.


Thank you for entertaining me









PS- you should definitely PM me before you post, and I will let you know if it is ok.

PPS- 20 bucks says you are between the age of 19-24, I'm gonna go with 20.


Ryt2own  [Team Member]
10/2/2010 1:46:41 PM
Originally Posted By zegermanznew:
And I dont have the money to drop on a safe right now.


Maybe you should put off buying that Sig P229 SAS Gen2 you said you want, and purchase a safe first.


I cant for the life of me understand why people would have a problem with someone registering?!?! I would however love for you to convince me not to, what are the advantages to not registering?


There are plenty of examples throughout history, where registration of firearms in various countries, has led to total confiscation and with it a whole lot of misery and death for the unarmed.

In the BEST cases it leads to millions of wasted taxpayer dollars (Canada) skyrocketing crime (England) or complete, horseshit harassment of those who were being "compliant and cooperative" (California SKS's owners)

Maybe it's just me, but why on earth does .gov and state law enforcement need to know everything I legally may have in my safe?
How in anyway is this beneficial to me or my family?




JAD  [Member]
10/2/2010 7:19:00 PM
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Do whatever you want. I see no need to voluntarily register a firearm that is purchased out of state. Any new ones you purchase in state will most likely end up registered by default anyways. I'm pretty sure every firearm I own is "registered" because they were purchased from dealers and I filled out DPS-3-c forms. But if I bought one from a private party (rifle) I would nit feel compelled to voluntarily register it, because there is no law saying I have to. Not worth my effort.


Registering tools for warranty purpose and registering guns with the state is like comparing apples and bulldozers.

I have no worries about LE in this state and am happy to cooperate with them. But even the state will tell you that it's voluntary. I know people who have called asking for advice on a transfer of a long gun and told by DPS that it wasn't even necessary. I still do it on every gun I have sold to make sure they are OUT of my name but would never go out of my way to make sure they are in my name. Voluntary registartion has nothing to do with "acting professionally" about ones ownership. Just follow the actual laws and you will be fine.


I look at it similarly- it is not a big deal to me. I bought a rifle while I was on a vacation in Maine, and I was shocked at how much less paperwork there was there. While I'm not concerned about the state having DPS-3 forms for my guns, I don't go out of my why to voluntarily give them that information, though I do buy a lot of used guns (from shops), and having an additional official document showing that I legitimately acquired the firearm is nice (in case any ever come back on the hot list). I also like that we have the ability to access the auth. system as private citizens. While I don't necessarily choose to use it, I like haveing the option....in case there is a transfer where I do want to cover myself a little better.
Dedeye  [Member]
10/3/2010 8:01:27 AM
The less the government knows about my guns, the better I like it. I will comply with legal requirements, but that's it.

If it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling to register everything you have, go for it. Not me.
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