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 Which AR-15's are CT legal?
justinemt990662  [Member]
3/8/2008 4:34:59 AM
I am heading to that show at the Big E Sunday, and I would like to pick up an AR-15 ... I have read the CT gun laws concerning AW's ... can anyone suggest post-ban models I should look for which are CT legal? I was thinking of getting an Olympic Arms Plinker Plus, until I noticed that they have changed it to include a "Flash Suppressor" which does it in for CT law ... anyone?

Justin
measter  [Member]
3/8/2008 8:17:58 AM
AWB applies to semi automatic weapons and Select fire weapons. Select fire is banned. ALL NFA is permitted (SRB, SBS, Silencers, AOW, Machine Guns). Weapons registered as assault weapons before the pan are OK for posession but not for in state transfer or sale now. Certain exceptions apply for military.

No Colt AR15 or sporter reguardless of date (F/A machine guns ok)
Barret Light Fifty Model 82A1 is banned, other .50 cal is OK.
All other AR variants are legal but subject to feature count if manufactured after 9.14.94
Preban guns are not subject to feature count.
ALL 7.62x39 AK variants are banned (F/A machine guns ok)
No magazine restrictions in CT, we can have whatever we want

Permit required to purchase/carry pistols. Technically, CT does not have a concealed carry permit. It is a "Permit to carry pistols or revolvers." Concealed carry is permitted and reccommended.

Out of all the states that still have some sort of AWB, we are the best off. It could be much worse. But then again it could be much better.


AWB statute:

Sec. 53-202a. Assault weapons: Definition. (a) As used in this section and sections 53-202b to 53-202k, inclusive, "assault weapon" means:

(1) Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: Algimec Agmi; Armalite AR-180; Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol; Auto-Ordnance Thompson type; Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type; Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1; Beretta AR-70; Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol; Calico models M-900, M-950 and 100-P; Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88; Colt AR-15 and Sporter; Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2; Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45; Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC; FAMAS MAS 223; Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT; Federal XC-900 and XC-450; Franchi SPAS-12 and LAW-12; Galil AR and ARM; Goncz High-Tech Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol; Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89; Holmes MP-83; MAC-10, MAC-11 and MAC-11 Carbine type; Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion; Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000; Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only; Scarab Skorpion; SIG 57 AMT and 500 series; Spectre Auto Carbine and Auto Pistol; Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G-3; Sterling MK-6 and MK-7; Steyr AUG; Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns; USAS-12; UZI Carbine, Mini-Carbine and Pistol; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson "Linda" Pistol;

(2) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person;

(3) Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) of this subsection that meets the following criteria:

(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

(i) A folding or telescoping stock;

(ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

(iii) A bayonet mount;

(iv) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and

(v) A grenade launcher; or

(B) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

(i) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

(ii) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer;

(iii) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;

(iv) A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and

(v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; or

(C) A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:

(i) A folding or telescoping stock;

(ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

(iii) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; and

(iv) An ability to accept a detachable magazine; or

(4) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3) of this subsection, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3) of this subsection, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

(b) As used in this section and sections 53-202b to 53-202k, inclusive, the term "assault weapon" does not include any firearm modified to render it permanently inoperable.

Sec. 53-202m. Circumstances when assault weapons exempt from limitations on transfers and registration requirements. Notwithstanding any provision of the general statutes, sections 53-202a to 53-202l, inclusive, shall not be construed to limit the transfer or require the registration of an assault weapon as defined in subdivision (3) or (4) of subsection (a) of section 53-202a, provided such firearm was legally manufactured prior to September 13, 1994.
measter  [Member]
3/8/2008 8:19:32 AM
If it has a pistol grip and detachable magazine. That is all it can have. I'd say buy from an instate dealer like jojos to make your life easier.
00RT  [Member]
3/8/2008 11:03:54 AM
MA has a ban like ours so chances are if it's not a Colt and it is MA legal, it's legal here too. Most of the ones you'll see there will be CT legal, I'd expect.
harlenm  [Member]
3/8/2008 11:46:46 AM

Originally Posted By measter:
I'd say buy from an instate dealer like jojos to make your life easier.


Nope, cause then he'll be tempted by all the preban's he has hanging on the wall!!!!!!
measter  [Member]
3/8/2008 11:57:03 AM

Originally Posted By harlenm:

Originally Posted By measter:
I'd say buy from an instate dealer like jojos to make your life easier.


Nope, cause then he'll be tempted by all the preban's he has hanging on the wall!!!!!!


Too rich for me right now. If I go supressed it will be .22 or 9mm I'm not too concerned.
JAD  [Member]
3/8/2008 2:50:52 PM
Even if you did find an gun you wanted to buy in Mass, it would have to get transfered to a CT dealer.
CTbuilder1  [Team Member]
3/8/2008 6:04:48 PM

Originally Posted By justinemt990662:
I am heading to that show at the Big E Sunday, and I would like to pick up an AR-15 ... I have read the CT gun laws concerning AW's ... can anyone suggest post-ban models I should look for which are CT legal? I was thinking of getting an Olympic Arms Plinker Plus, until I noticed that they have changed it to include a "Flash Suppressor" which does it in for CT law ... anyone?

Justin


As long as it is NOT marked COLT AR15 or SPORTER, and has only a detachable magazine and pistol grip you can buy it here (assuming we are talking about postban). Just look for ban compliant guns -Stag, Bushmaster, RRA, DPMS, and most others make them. You might be better off just purchasing local. If your buying a new gun I don't think you are saving anything by going to the Big-E. After gas, parking, admission, etc.

For postban guns it all depends on what features you are looking for. Do you want a 20" barrel or 16." Crowned barrel or a muzzle device. For a postban I personally prefer a crowned barrel because compensators generate so much noise and flash. There's really no recoil from the gun anyways so I see little need for a comp.

You might just be better off going to a local dealer, getting a stripped or complete lower and just ordering a Postban compliant upper from online. That way you save a little on the excise tax you would pay for a complete gun.
Double-E  [Member]
3/9/2008 2:45:24 PM
So if I go the NFA/SBR route on my AR's I can have them configured anyway I wish?
justinemt990662  [Member]
3/9/2008 4:19:43 PM
Well, after much debate, my crew and i decided to skip the show and go store hopping. I found a Rock River Arms LAR-15 complete with a no-name (but still very nice) red dot scope attached, full stock, muzzle break, $900.00 out the door (including tax etc...) ... no too shabby me thinks.

edit: BTW, reasons we didn't go to the show:
1. Cost of parking / admission
2. No instant gratification
3. Dealer conveyance fees for non-CT dealers
4, Cost of gas
CTbuilder1  [Team Member]
3/9/2008 5:36:08 PM

Originally Posted By Double-E:
So if I go the NFA/SBR route on my AR's I can have them configured anyway I wish?


NO. SBR only applies to barrel length and overall length and has nothing to do with feature count. If you have a machine gun you can have it configured any way you want. This means three choices. 1)Registered Receiver, 2) Registered Drop In Auto Sear or 3) Registered lightning link. All three of those are considered machine guns and all three are very expensive pieces of metal.

The other way is much easier. Find a receiver manufactured before 9.14.94. These are considered preban and can be configured with all "assault" features. Take a look in the "Official CT Preban Thread" at the top of this board.

Also, none of this should matter for you in SC unless you are planning on moving here. SC has no AWB.
CTbuilder1  [Team Member]
3/9/2008 5:39:00 PM

Originally Posted By justinemt990662:
Well, after much debate, my crew and i decided to skip the show and go store hopping. I found a Rock River Arms LAR-15 complete with a no-name (but still very nice) red dot scope attached, full stock, muzzle break, $900.00 out the door (including tax etc...) ... no too shabby me thinks.

edit: BTW, reasons we didn't go to the show:
1. Cost of parking / admission
2. No instant gratification
3. Dealer conveyance fees for non-CT dealers
4, Cost of gas


Where did you end up buying it from?
GMR-KURTZ  [Member]
3/9/2008 6:17:35 PM
Hey guys, let me get this straight. A 'Colt AR15' labeled AR whether pre-ban or post is illegal to sell, transfer or posses in CT.? ..if so would this apply to a NY resident coming into Ct. with a pre-ban Colt for a Carbine class/competition and then immediately leaving the state after the class?. Of course it would be locked in a hard case in the trunk, blah, blah..

If someone with solid intel could answer this Id appreciate it, my two shooting buddies have what I described above and we are attending a course in CT in a couple weeks.
CTbuilder1  [Team Member]
3/9/2008 7:36:16 PM

Originally Posted By GMR-KURTZ:
Hey guys, let me get this straight. A 'Colt AR15' labeled AR whether pre-ban or post is illegal to sell, transfer or posses in CT.? ..if so would this apply to a NY resident coming into Ct. with a pre-ban Colt for a Carbine class/competition and then immediately leaving the state after the class?. Of course it would be locked in a hard case in the trunk, blah, blah..

If someone with solid intel could answer this Id appreciate it, my two shooting buddies have what I described above and we are attending a course in CT in a couple weeks.


I have spent a lot of time combing through CT statute and unfortunatly your buddies can not bring Colt AR15s into this state to use. You could call the CT State Police for a final answer but I guarantee they will say no. They answer no to a lot of stuff that is legal as well.
GMR-KURTZ  [Member]
3/9/2008 7:55:01 PM
Wow.. unbelievable

FOPA in regards to 'safe passage' however would cover them if they were 'just driving through' Ct. on the way to MA. where I have LTC-A and a residence?. Not asking for unethical advise but CT. does recognize the federal law for interstate travel, correct?.

Thanks for your advice and sorry if I hijacked this thread a little
Double-E  [Member]
3/9/2008 8:30:43 PM

Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:

Also, none of this should matter for you in SC unless you are planning on moving here. SC has no AWB.


I'm Active duty military with orders to New London this summer. I have several pre and post types and have a few in various stages of building. Was mailed the forms last week to apply for the COE's. With this tour planned for a full four years I'm going to plan on turning two of them into SBR's. Maybe my AR pistols will fill my niche for that for now. Don't know what I'll do with the Colt Match Target Lightweight yet while I'm there. It was a post ban, but since the federal sunset I've added some "evil" features to it. It's not marked AR-15 or Sporter........ ????
Scott40  [Member]
3/9/2008 9:36:02 PM

Originally Posted By Double-E:

Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:

Also, none of this should matter for you in SC unless you are planning on moving here. SC has no AWB.


I'm Active duty military with orders to New London this summer. I have several pre and post types and have a few in various stages of building. Was mailed the forms last week to apply for the COE's. With this tour planned for a full four years I'm going to plan on turning two of them into SBR's. Maybe my AR pistols will fill my niche for that for now. Don't know what I'll do with the Colt Match Target Lightweight yet while I'm there. It was a post ban, but since the federal sunset I've added some "evil" features to it. It's not marked AR-15 or Sporter........ ????


As long as you are on active orders you can get certificates of possession for all of your assault weapons from the Department of public safety.
rgaper  [Member]
3/9/2008 11:07:04 PM

Originally Posted By GMR-KURTZ:
Wow.. unbelievable

FOPA in regards to 'safe passage' however would cover them if they were 'just driving through' Ct. on the way to MA. where I have LTC-A and a residence?. Not asking for unethical advise but CT. does recognize the federal law for interstate travel, correct?.

Thanks for your advice and sorry if I hijacked this thread a little


Travel through the state is fine (legal) but don't get stopped, you will get harassed at a minimum. Here in Connecticut the majority of our law enforcement personnel aren't familiar with the 2nd Amendment or even Connecticut State firearm laws. If you have a firearm, their attitude is that you shouldn't have it or that you are a criminal. God help you if you have a firearm and are from out of state.
GMR-KURTZ  [Member]
3/9/2008 11:23:37 PM
Thanks for the good info guys. Might consider taking the NY thruway north and turn right as Mass. and skippin the whole state..
CTbuilder1  [Team Member]
3/9/2008 11:52:04 PM

Originally Posted By GMR-KURTZ:
Thanks for the good info guys. Might consider taking the NY thruway north and turn right as Mass. and skippin the whole state..


I wouldn't worry about transporting through CT. You are protected by the statute as long as you follow the rules. As far as being harrassed by the CT police, they probably have no idea you have a gun in your trunk and, by law, you don't have to tell them in CT.


This is right out of the Connecticut General Statute. Print this out and keep it in your car just in case:


Sec. 29-38d. Interstate transportation of firearms through state. (a) The provisions of sections 29-35 and 29-38 shall not apply to the interstate transportation of firearms through this state in accordance with 18 USC 926A and 927, as amended from time to time, by any person who is not otherwise prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving or possessing a firearm. Such person may transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where such person may lawfully possess and carry such firearm through this state to any other place where such person may lawfully possess and carry such firearm provided such transportation is in accordance with subsection (b) of this section.

(b) During the transportation of a firearm through this state as authorized in subsection (a) of this section, such firearm shall be unloaded and neither such firearm nor any ammunition being transported shall be readily accessible or directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle. If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, such firearm shall be unloaded and such firearm and any ammunition being transported shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.

(c) No person who is transporting a firearm through this state in accordance with this section may use or carry such firearm or sell, deliver or otherwise transfer such firearm while in this state.
GMR-KURTZ  [Member]
3/10/2008 7:48:35 AM
Nice, thanks CtBuilder.. Already got it printed up in the same envelope as the statement from Armalite regarding my Eagle Arms pre-ban status sitting in my glove box and my hardcase and my range bag.
justinemt990662  [Member]
3/10/2008 8:19:42 AM

Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:

Where did you end up buying it from?


I got that from Newigton, and a buddy of mine picked up a CHEAP Yugo SKS from Hoffmans.
ShakenNotStirred  [Team Member]
3/12/2008 11:06:53 AM

Originally Posted By Double-E:
I'm Active duty military with orders to New London this summer. I have several pre and post types and have a few in various stages of building. Was mailed the forms last week to apply for the COE's. With this tour planned for a full four years I'm going to plan on turning two of them into SBR's. Maybe my AR pistols will fill my niche for that for now. Don't know what I'll do with the Colt Match Target Lightweight yet while I'm there. It was a post ban, but since the federal sunset I've added some "evil" features to it. It's not marked AR-15 or Sporter........ ????


Double-E,

Once you get the Certificates, your guns are legal in whatever configuration you want to put them in. I have a post-ban-made Colt AR15-A3 Tactical Carbine on a Certificate, and it's legal as the day is long: bayo lug, FH, telestock.

I strongly recommend that you DO NOT put any truly pre-ban lowers you have on Certificates. That would achieve the goal of removing them from being "pre-ban" and make them "registered assault weapons" . . . not a good idea. I left my "pre-bans" as "pre-bans" and not on Certificates. I only papered the ones that were either Colts, or post-bans, or both.
Double-E  [Member]
3/12/2008 7:30:28 PM

Originally Posted By ShakenNotStirred:

Originally Posted By Double-E:
I'm Active duty military with orders to New London this summer. I have several pre and post types and have a few in various stages of building. Was mailed the forms last week to apply for the COE's. With this tour planned for a full four years I'm going to plan on turning two of them into SBR's. Maybe my AR pistols will fill my niche for that for now. Don't know what I'll do with the Colt Match Target Lightweight yet while I'm there. It was a post ban, but since the federal sunset I've added some "evil" features to it. It's not marked AR-15 or Sporter........ ????


Double-E,

Once you get the Certificates, your guns are legal in whatever configuration you want to put them in. I have a post-ban-made Colt AR15-A3 Tactical Carbine on a Certificate, and it's legal as the day is long: bayo lug, FH, telestock.

I strongly recommend that you DO NOT put any truly pre-ban lowers you have on Certificates. That would achieve the goal of removing them from being "pre-ban" and make them "registered assault weapons" . . . not a good idea. I left my "pre-bans" as "pre-bans" and not on Certificates. I only papered the ones that were either Colts, or post-bans, or both.



Thanks, the way I was reading it was Colt's regardless were a no no in CT. I'm looking forward to a fun filled time up there with season changes along with getting off this shooting plateau I've been on for a few years. Need some new challenges.