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Jakkle5  [Member]
11/30/2007 11:06:09 AM
What are they? What is and isnt legal when it comes to a buying one? No gun shop in MASS could give me a definitive answer. Thanks
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Jakkle5  [Member]
12/2/2007 8:22:19 PM
No one has any idea?!
Jakkle5  [Member]
12/3/2007 6:45:21 PM
I guess there isnt one person from MASS here that has an AR15. Interesting.
bullyforyou  [Member]
12/4/2007 8:50:23 AM

Originally Posted By Jakkle5:
I guess there isnt one person from MASS here that has an AR15. Interesting.


the reason you didn't get an answer is because you asked a bad question.

what is illegal in MA? just about everything. we'd have to crash AR15.com to post the expansive MA gun laws.

what is LEGAL in MA? well, the above answer tells you what this answer will be. not much.

MA has a complex and convoluted state-level "assault weapons ban", that covers just about every weapon invented since the late 1930's that wasn't already banned.

MA *technically* issues concealed carry permits. depending on where you live, "technically" may very well be "does not".

MA has various permits that are needed just to OWN certain firearms.

the list goes on and on. if you want an answer, ask a question that has one that wouldn't require cutting and pasting of 9000 pages of MA state law. ask, "...can i own this type of gun, and how do i do it?", or "...can i own normal capacity mags (more then 10 rounds as the guns were designed), and how do i do it?"

somebody from MA will stop in and gladly answer your questions.


Curlymaple42  [Member]
12/4/2007 10:37:36 AM
I was just at "The Gun Room" in Shrewsbury on Rt9 and was checking out numerous AR's and other "assault" rifles. If you get a permit to have a long gun in MA as a resident, you can purchase an AR from a dealer there. It will be a new rifle in compliant configuration. That means probably fixed stock, no bayo lug, permanent attached muzzle brake or no muzzle brake, and no high capacity mags. I don't think you are even allowed to stick a preban hicap mag IN the post ban rifle!! The BATF puts out a frequently updated manual of all state gun laws. If you can have them send you one, that might explain things better. I have it and Maine has a three page spread, Mass has like a 30page spread!! That gives you an idea how qwonderful the laws are down there! As to a concealed permit, basically you may need to "know" someone to get one, and it highly depends on where you are in the state. It also can take a while, a LONG while!!

If you are a MA resident and you can get a permit to own a gun, just go to a gun shop that actually carries AR's and buy there. If you try and have them transfer one in, I bet it will all go to hell as they do NOT want to screw up and have MA shut them down for some little detail. Some shops know the law and what they are doing though and will do it no problem. There is one in Carver, MA or Plymouth, MA or something called Zero Arms or some such thing. They stock stuff like AR's too.

Jakkle5  [Member]
12/5/2007 12:29:49 AM
I have a class A LTC in MA. Own numerous rifles and pistols but nothing of the AR variety. I was looking for simple stuff like you just posted, bayonet lug....fixed stock....no flash hider etc not a copy of the Laws, i dont have another 30 yrs i could dedicate to reading it . Just trying to figure out if its even worth it or if they are basically making you keep it in factory form. Are 30rd mags allowed? Thanks
Curlymaple42  [Member]
12/5/2007 7:51:31 PM
I think you have to get preban 30rd mags, which are pricey I bet. Not really sure about the mag thing though. Like I said, the Gun Room in Shrewsbury/Worcester and that Zero Arms, or some such thing down by Carver or Plymouth deals in AR's. You can also spend the extra cash and get a "preban" rifle, which can have all the goodies on it.

If you want/need a copy of the MA laws, let me know and I will rip out the MA section from my old copy of the the BATF book. I just got a new one, but I doubt the laws have changed any in regards to the ban.

djsmiles  [Team Member]
12/6/2007 5:12:14 AM
you can use preban mags in postban rifles. the previous fed AWB is basically the law here. handguns, well, good luck getting a deffinitive answer on that.
intervivos  [Member]
12/8/2007 1:00:18 PM
see:

www.fsguns.com/homepage.html

They have some good links regarding MA laws on Guns.

This is the question I have:

Chapter 140 ss 121 defines assault weapon as follows: "'Assault weapon' shall have the same meaning as a semiautomatic assault weapon as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(30), and shall include, but not be limited to, any of the weapons, or copies or duplicates of the weapons, of any caliber, known as:... (iv) Colt AR-15..."

The Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act'(18 USC 922) (a) (30) states:
"The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means--
`(A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms, known as--
`(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);
`(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
`(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
`(iv) Colt AR-15;
`(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
`(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;"

OF NOTE, the MA law does not explicitly include 18 USC 921 (b) (30), which states:

"(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--
`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
`(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
`(iii) a bayonet mount;
`(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
`(v) a grenade launcher;"

Given the fact that my firearm was legally purchased in MA with the federal assault weapons ban in place, it must not be an "assault weapon" or "Colt AR-15" or "copy or duplicate of" as defined by 18 USC 921 (a) (30), or 18 USC 921 (b) (30). If 18 USC 921 (b) (30) is not expressivly included in the MA law, are the provisions listed in 18 USC 921 (b) (30) not applicable to MA residence, therefore a telescoping stock may be used in conjunction with a detachable magazine and pistol grip?
robotstalk  [Member]
12/25/2007 10:41:40 AM

Originally Posted By Jakkle5:
What are they? What is and isnt legal when it comes to a buying one? No gun shop in MASS could give me a definitive answer. Thanks


Nothing to add to the post ban comments. You can buy any pre-ban model that was in MA before the ban went into effect as well. Those rifles trade at a premium however as they have all the evil features.
95thFoot  [Team Member]
12/26/2007 3:43:19 PM

Originally Posted By robotstalk:

Originally Posted By Jakkle5:
What are they? What is and isnt legal when it comes to a buying one? No gun shop in MASS could give me a definitive answer. Thanks


Nothing to add to the post ban comments. You can buy any pre-ban model that was in MA before the ban went into effect as well. Those rifles trade at a premium however as they have all the evil features.


And you can also buy pre-ban mags to your heart's- and wallet's- content. And put them on your post-ban guns.

There are a lot of guns in MA, despite our gov't's attempts to ban them.
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