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danc46  [Team Member]
3/31/2012 10:55:47 PM
Give me your pros and cons if you would. I' may be using these components:

Medium weight 18" barrel


9" midlength handguard


Fold down front sight gas block:


BUIS under the scope:


Glass will probably be a Burris MTAC with QD PEPR mount.

Thoughts?

Brandi  [Member]
3/31/2012 11:13:38 PM
Hmm...I think you should build a 6.5 Grendel or 6.8 SPC then........give it to ME!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously...how can you beat a deal like that?
Ndenway  [Team Member]
3/31/2012 11:28:12 PM
where's your daniel defense "m16" bcg and forged CH in a a3 upper with m4 cuts?

you might as well screw a phantom flash suppressor and use the generic dpms gas tube/pin.
ckelley  [Team Member]
4/1/2012 12:42:42 AM
I've used that same front sight on a couple of mid-lengths, Yankee Hill Machine I think was who made them? I like 'em. Never done an 18" though...different is good!
1-8" or 1-9" twist?
danc46  [Team Member]
4/1/2012 1:02:56 AM
Originally Posted By Ndenway:
where's your daniel defense no-name "m16" bcg and forged CH in a a3 upper with m4 cuts?

you might as well screw a phantom flash suppressor standard A2 flash suppressor and use the generic dpms gas tube/pin.


One out of four is a good guess there, Brother L.


Originally Posted By ckelley:
I've used that same front sight on a couple of mid-lengths, Yankee Hill Machine I think was who made them? I like 'em. Never done an 18" though...different is good!
1-8" or 1-9" twist?


1-8 if I can get that barrel.

ckelley  [Team Member]
4/1/2012 1:18:38 AM
I've had real good luck with my 1-8 twist, especially with hand loads. It's a 20" stainless Wilson NM barrel though. A little heavy, but not too bad.
Sumoj275  [Member]
4/1/2012 1:41:05 AM
Sounds like a nice upper in the works. My 5.56mm upper has been put on hold so if you feel like donating when you are through with it give me a call
Chucks1911  [Team Member]
4/1/2012 9:15:05 AM
Remember the price we were quoted on that front sight? They are $80 from Brownells. I have them on a "few" of my ARs. Probably going to get another for the parts I picked up the other day. Let me know if you want me to get you one too.
danc46  [Team Member]
4/1/2012 9:30:58 AM
Originally Posted By Chucks1911:
Remember the price we were quoted on that front sight? They are $80 from Brownells. I have them on a "few" of my ARs. Probably going to get another for the parts I picked up the other day. Let me know if you want me to get you one too.


Thanks, pard.
The stuff is on the way already. I pulled the trigger late last night.
Midway has them for $67 but are out of stock. I back ordered it and it's supposed to be here after the NRA convention.
Can't explain why I want to build this upper, but I'm putting together a rifle with all the components from different manufacturers. The barrel is a DD, MI forearm, Del-ton upper receiver, RR BCG, Troy front sight, Matech rear sight, PSA lower, Magpul stock, Hogue grip, Spectre sling, standard A2 flash hider, etc. A real FrankenAR. .
I'm still undecided about the scope but am leaning heavily toward the Burris MTAC and PEPR mount. I get one hell of a "pro" discount from Burris so cost will be the deciding factor.
I've been using a scoped Mini14 Ranch for popping hogs and coyotes for the last few months. I'm gonna go to an AR for awhile.
Just found a place in Marshall where the land owner and leasee are having problems with hogs. If the leasee isn't full of manure, him and I will be up their popping them this week.
I'll be using an AR, he'll be using my Mini14.
I'm sure if we get out there I'll be wishing I had a scoped AR.
I gave Matt the last scoped AR I built (last summer) and I'm not getting it back.
Chucks1911  [Team Member]
4/1/2012 9:40:24 AM
Originally Posted By danc46:
Originally Posted By Chucks1911:
Remember the price we were quoted on that front sight? They are $80 from Brownells. I have them on a "few" of my ARs. Probably going to get another for the parts I picked up the other day. Let me know if you want me to get you one too.


Thanks, pard.
The stuff is on the way already. I pulled the trigger late last night.
Midway has them for $67 but are out of stock. I back ordered it and it's supposed to be here after the NRA convention.
Can't explain why I want to build this upper, but I'm putting together a rifle with all the components from different manufacturers. The barrel is a DD, MI forearm, Del-ton upper receiver, RR BCG, Troy front sight, Matech rear sight, PSA lower, Magpul stock, Hogue grip, Spectre sling, standard A2 flash hider, etc. A real FrankenAR. .
I'm still undecided about the scope but am leaning heavily toward the Burris MTAC and PEPR mount. I get one hell of a "pro" discount from Burris so cost will be the deciding factor.
I've been using a scoped Mini14 Ranch for popping hogs and coyotes for the last few months. I'm gonna go to an AR for awhile.
Just found a place in Marshall where the land owner and leasee are having problems with hogs. If the leasee isn't full of manure, him and I will be up their popping them this week.
I'll be using an AR, he'll be using my Mini14.
I'm sure if we get out there I'll be wishing I had a scoped AR.
I gave Matt the last scoped AR I built (last summer) and I'm not getting it back.




Hhhmmmm....$63 just ordered one myself.
danc46  [Team Member]
4/1/2012 10:07:57 AM
Originally Posted By Chucks1911:


Hhhmmmm....$63 just ordered one myself.


You're welcome.
lifestar17  [Member]
4/1/2012 1:17:54 PM
What's the part # on the BIUS rear sight?
Cole2534  [Team Member]
4/1/2012 2:39:07 PM
Originally Posted By lifestar17:
What's the part # on the BIUS rear sight?


It's a Matech, grab one at a gun show for $35.

I have an 18" upper very similar to the one you're thinking about and it's a soft, smooth shooter. I really like it.

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danc46  [Team Member]
4/1/2012 4:26:25 PM
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Originally Posted By lifestar17:
What's the part # on the BIUS rear sight?


It's a Matech, grab one at a gun show for $35.

I have an 18" upper very similar to the one you're thinking about and it's a soft, smooth shooter. I really like it.

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The rear sight isn't calibrated for an 18" barrel but it will do for grins and giggles.
The barrel is $227 less shipping from Brownells which I don't think is too bad for a DD barrel.
It's back ordered but I'll wait until I get it.

ar_daddy  [Member]
4/1/2012 4:43:40 PM
I would use the A1 flashhider really no need for the A2 your not shooting full auto or frining from the prone , controlling dust and you will get a lot of bounce out of the A2.
danc46  [Team Member]
4/1/2012 6:36:34 PM
Originally Posted By ar_daddy:
I would use the A1 flashhider really no need for the A2 your not shooting full auto or frining from the prone , controlling dust and you will get a lot of bounce out of the A2.


Yes I will shoot from prone. I don't want hogs in a wheat field to tell where I am at from a dust signature. If the wind is right and they are a couple of hundred yards off, the right shot can send a bunch of them my way.
Then you really get to have fun until they figure where the danger is coming from.

ar_daddy  [Member]
4/1/2012 7:00:28 PM
Originally Posted By danc46:
Originally Posted By ar_daddy:
I would use the A1 flashhider really no need for the A2 your not shooting full auto or frining from the prone , controlling dust and you will get a lot of bounce out of the A2.


Yes I will shoot from prone. I don't want hogs in a wheat field to tell where I am at from a dust signature. If the wind is right and they are a couple of hundred yards off, the right shot can send a bunch of them my way.
Then you really get to have fun until they figure where the danger is coming from.



Hell first shot will send them running , yes if you can stop from busting a gut you might kill more thay one .
Dam pig can run like hell
danc46  [Team Member]
4/1/2012 7:10:31 PM
Originally Posted By ar_daddy:
Originally Posted By danc46:
Originally Posted By ar_daddy:
I would use the A1 flashhider really no need for the A2 your not shooting full auto or frining from the prone , controlling dust and you will get a lot of bounce out of the A2.


Yes I will shoot from prone. I don't want hogs in a wheat field to tell where I am at from a dust signature. If the wind is right and they are a couple of hundred yards off, the right shot can send a bunch of them my way.
Then you really get to have fun until they figure where the danger is coming from.



Hell first shot will send them running , yes if you can stop from busting a gut you might kill more thay one .
Dam pig can run like hell



I've whacked more coyotes and deer at 200+ yards than I ever did close.
I carry a Leica range finder with me if I'm in new territory. I shot one of two coyotes at 312 yards during deer season. The other ran right at me and stopped on top of a wheat berm less than 100 yards from me. I have no idea of why I did it but I held the 300 yd mark between the coyote's eye. I missed but his ears sure folded down when he hauled ass out of there.
(Probably because I haven't shot that Nikon BDC as much as the mil-dot. I've switched from a Rem 700 with mildot Leupold to a Encore with Nikon BDC when it comes to hunting. I just don't shoot that many rounds with scopes like I used to at varying distances.)
A dust signature would have prevented that second shot.
I've hit deer and coyotes shooting into the wind and had them run downwind right straight at me.
Can't always predict where I'll be shooting from but blowing dust with a flash hider is not something I want if I can prevent it.
The A2 seems to be a good way to go. I have a Choate A2 type flash hider pinned on the end of my Ranch Rifle and I like it a lot.
If this rifle works out as good as I think it will, I'll probably lose it anyway when one of my boys borrows it.
Chucks1911  [Team Member]
4/1/2012 7:26:51 PM
Dont buy that tube wrench. Remember that I said that I have an Armilite one? Well I tried it yesterday and its actually the YHM one. You can use it if you need it.
danc46  [Team Member]
4/1/2012 8:21:33 PM
Originally Posted By Chucks1911:
Dont buy that tube wrench. Remember that I said that I have an Armilite one? Well I tried it yesterday and its actually the YHM one. You can use it if you need it.


Thanks, but I bought the MI instead of the YHM. I kind of like having all makes of manufacturers on this rifle. A YHM front sight/gas block and a YHM handguard just didn't flow well with that theme.
The barrel wrench I have will work with the MI.

Ndenway  [Team Member]
4/1/2012 8:43:56 PM
I like the hell of the 18" 1:8 dpms mark 12 barrel I've got; that's the rifle I had out at tricity hitting the 200yard steel rapid fire.

shooting a 69gr custom comp over some data68 in imi cases with cci400 primers it shoots damn well when I do my part.

course I been shooting the 6x45 quite a bit lately; it's a Goddamned fine shooter across the board with bullets of 85gr, 87gr, 90gr and 100gr using aa2230 and tac.
ar_daddy  [Member]
4/1/2012 9:47:09 PM
Originally Posted By danc46:
Originally Posted By ar_daddy:
Originally Posted By danc46:
Originally Posted By ar_daddy:
I would use the A1 flashhider really no need for the A2 your not shooting full auto or frining from the prone , controlling dust and you will get a lot of bounce out of the A2.


Yes I will shoot from prone. I don't want hogs in a wheat field to tell where I am at from a dust signature. If the wind is right and they are a couple of hundred yards off, the right shot can send a bunch of them my way.
Then you really get to have fun until they figure where the danger is coming from.



Hell first shot will send them running , yes if you can stop from busting a gut you might kill more thay one .
Dam pig can run like hell



I've whacked more coyotes and deer at 200+ yards than I ever did close.
I carry a Leica range finder with me if I'm in new territory. I shot one of two coyotes at 312 yards during deer season. The other ran right at me and stopped on top of a wheat berm less than 100 yards from me. I have no idea of why I did it but I held the 300 yd mark between the coyote's eye. I missed but his ears sure folded down when he hauled ass out of there.
(Probably because I haven't shot that Nikon BDC as much as the mil-dot. I've switched from a Rem 700 with mildot Leupold to a Encore with Nikon BDC when it comes to hunting. I just don't shoot that many rounds with scopes like I used to at varying distances.)
A dust signature would have prevented that second shot.
I've hit deer and coyotes shooting into the wind and had them run downwind right straight at me.
Can't always predict where I'll be shooting from but blowing dust with a flash hider is not something I want if I can prevent it.
The A2 seems to be a good way to go. I have a Choate A2 type flash hider pinned on the end of my Ranch Rifle and I like it a lot.
If this rifle works out as good as I think it will, I'll probably lose it anyway when one of my boys borrows it.

if I got down I won't get back up as bad as my lower back is but if I'm shooting off my knee I'm very deadly .
danc46  [Team Member]
4/1/2012 10:00:45 PM
Originally Posted By ar_daddy:

if I got down I won't get back up as bad as my lower back is but if I'm shooting off my knee I'm very deadly .


My back ain't the best either. Both feet have dead big toes due to stenosis.
But I can get down and back up if I have time. Probably much quicker if a boar is charging me.
My shooting use to be 80% standing, 15% prone, and 5% off the bench.
Now it's 90% off the bench and 9% standing.
Very seldom do I go prone but I can and will if the need arises.
I just hope I don't have to get up in a hurry.

Brandi  [Member]
4/1/2012 10:32:00 PM
Since I can't find anywhere to hunt hogs myself remember me if you have any excess piggy leftover My smoker would thank you!
Brandi  [Member]
4/1/2012 10:37:55 PM
Originally Posted By danc46:
Originally Posted By ar_daddy:

if I got down I won't get back up as bad as my lower back is but if I'm shooting off my knee I'm very deadly .


My back ain't the best either. Both feet have dead big toes due to stenosis.
But I can get down and back up if I have time. Probably much quicker if a boar is charging me.
My shooting use to be 80% standing, 15% prone, and 5% off the bench.
Now it's 90% off the bench and 9% standing.
Very seldom do I go prone but I can and will if the need arises.
I just hope I don't have to get up in a hurry.



As a member of the gimped up club I can say I have no doubt Dan could climb a tree pretty fast with a boar charging him. If I ever get to go hog hunting my Ruger GP100 357 mag will definitely be on my hip for those 'oh sh*t moments '.

soonerman  [Team Member]
4/1/2012 10:41:22 PM
Sounds like it'll be a nice shooter! I want to try maybe the vortex 1-4 next to see how I like it... Burris is good too, just currently I'm partial to vortex
danc46  [Team Member]
4/2/2012 12:04:48 PM
Originally Posted By soonerman:
Sounds like it'll be a nice shooter! I want to try maybe the vortex 1-4 next to see how I like it... Burris is good too, just currently I'm partial to vortex


I bought this one with mount for $150. I'm more than pleased.
I'm very critical of glass. I have not mounted or shot this yet but it seems to be substantial.
It will be fine on a lower cost upper if I need to use it.
http://swfa.com/Optisan-1-4x24-Mamba-EAR30-Mount-Combo-P51887.aspx

Here's a picture of it one of the ArfCom members put up:



FA-Gunner  [Member]
4/2/2012 3:37:00 PM
Dan,

Have you thought about going with a low profile gas block and then go with a 12" rail. 18" barrel with only 9" rail doesnt seem like it would look as good as a 18" barrel with a 12" rail. Get a Front sight that mounts to the rail. 9" of barrel exposed compared to 6" exposed, purely looks based. You could even go longer with an extended length rail, say 14" then you would only have about 4" of barrel exposed and would get a longer sight radius for the backup sights.

Also having used the Matech sight on my issue rifles, I don't like them. My last time, I was able to go through the Arms room and the armorer had a couple of choices to pick from and I went with a GG&G Rear sight. I've seen Matechs that have had the apeture break off and on some that were worn it would not stay down and would pop up some times. I also don't think the adjustable elevation scale is needed on a back up sight, it can get knocked out of the spot where you zeroed and if you don't check the scale you could hold the wrong sight picture because you think it is set for zero but got knocked up to 200M or down to 600M. But you can find them for a good price
danc46  [Team Member]
4/2/2012 5:03:24 PM
Originally Posted By FA-Gunner:
Dan,

Have you thought about going with a low profile gas block and then go with a 12" rail. 18" barrel with only 9" rail doesnt seem like it would look as good as a 18" barrel with a 12" rail. Get a Front sight that mounts to the rail. 9" of barrel exposed compared to 6" exposed, purely looks based. You could even go longer with an extended length rail, say 14" then you would only have about 4" of barrel exposed and would get a longer sight radius for the backup sights.

Also having used the Matech sight on my issue rifles, I don't like them. My last time, I was able to go through the Arms room and the armorer had a couple of choices to pick from and I went with a GG&G Rear sight. I've seen Matechs that have had the apeture break off and on some that were worn it would not stay down and would pop up some times. I also don't think the adjustable elevation scale is needed on a back up sight, it can get knocked out of the spot where you zeroed and if you don't check the scale you could hold the wrong sight picture because you think it is set for zero but got knocked up to 200M or down to 600M. But you can find them for a good price


Thinks for the suggestions.
I don't like a full length rail and to me it is wrong to mount a front sight on an extended rail. It belongs on the barrel IMO.
As far as the Matech sight, I already have one so I'll use it.
The upper will carry glass almost all the time so it the rear sight is just a real back up as is the front sight.
I will put a sling on it and it will get carried so the Troy front sight I have ordered was justified.
This ain't gonna be a battle rifle, just a hog and coyote buster. If it works out to be accurate enough, I may use it in the OKC Gun Club matches we will be having this summer.
FWIW, the AR seems to scope much easier for me than a M1A and is far more pleasurable to shoot with a scope as well.
I had a scoped Colt Elite some years ago with 24" barrel that really wasn't that much fun to shoot.
You always hit what you were shooting at.
This rifle is gonna get beat up some riding in the back seat of my truck.
The Ranch Rifle is about to be retired....
Brandi  [Member]
4/2/2012 7:31:25 PM
Hey Dan...you said you've been shooting a Ruger Mini 14...this is a gun I've had on my list for awhile. How do you like yours? How does it compare to an AR in regard to accuracy, weight, durability and overall fun-ness to shoot?
Ndenway  [Team Member]
4/2/2012 8:58:50 PM
Originally Posted By Brandi:
Hey Dan...you said you've been shooting a Ruger Mini 14...this is a gun I've had on my list for awhile. How do you like yours? How does it compare to an AR in regard to accuracy, weight, durability and overall fun-ness to shoot?


I'm not Dan, but the mini 14 he's got is a pretty decent shooter.

he shot me in the side of me head with a piece of brass once; knocked a bloody knot

danc46  [Team Member]
4/2/2012 9:10:09 PM
Originally Posted By Ndenway:
Originally Posted By Brandi:
Hey Dan...you said you've been shooting a Ruger Mini 14...this is a gun I've had on my list for awhile. How do you like yours? How does it compare to an AR in regard to accuracy, weight, durability and overall fun-ness to shoot?


I'm not Dan, but the mini 14 he's got is a pretty decent shooter.

he shot me in the side of me head with a piece of brass once; knocked a bloody knot




Brother L, you're joking of course. You have too hard a head for a piece of brass to put a knot on it.
The Mini14 I have is an older one and it shoots fine for around 10 rounds or so in rapid fire.
Then it starts getting a bit wilder.
We won a new one at the Friends of the NRA a couple of years ago. It shoots better than my older Ranch Rifle.
I've nailed coyotes out to 300 yards or so with mine. When they're running I'll put two to three shots in a line on them and will usually put one into them.
I don't care if I drop them right there. It's all right with me if they crawl off and die.
If I drop them in a hay field or wheat field, I'll usually go pick them up and throw them in a ditch if I don't hang them on a fence.
All depends on where I'm at and time of year.
Brandi  [Member]
4/2/2012 10:57:57 PM
Ever since watching the A-team when I was a kid I've wanted a stainless Mini 14 with a black synthetic stock...ah the power of TV. Howling Mad Murdock was my fave
Ndenway  [Team Member]
4/2/2012 11:19:56 PM
I just watched the "A-Team" movie this evening; only seen one mini14 used in a couple of scenes throughout the first part of the movie.

I had a mini 14 shotgun for a while; traded it off back to my bro for a rusted up s&w who traded originally traded it to me for a mak
Brandi  [Member]
4/2/2012 11:54:39 PM
Yeah...the movie was good but not an actual representation of the TV series. I was surprised the movie didn't focus more on the Mini 14 like the series did.
RatTerrier  [Member]
4/3/2012 8:58:04 AM
Originally Posted By Brandi:
Ever since watching the A-team when I was a kid I've wanted a stainless Mini 14 with a black synthetic stock...ah the power of TV. Howling Mad Murdock was my fave


I'm just the opposite, I never wanted one cause they couldn't shoot a bad guy to save their lives in the series....goes to show ya how inaccurate they are even in the hands of trained professionals...hahaha

ar_daddy  [Member]
4/3/2012 10:43:51 AM
Originally Posted By RatTerrier:
Originally Posted By Brandi:
Ever since watching the A-team when I was a kid I've wanted a stainless Mini 14 with a black synthetic stock...ah the power of TV. Howling Mad Murdock was my fave


I'm just the opposite, I never wanted one cause they couldn't shoot a bad guy to save their lives in the series....goes to show ya how inaccurate they are even in the hands of trained professionals...hahaha



Thats what happens when you shoot blanks and watch to much TV . The newer mini 14 shoot better now but I have not shot one yet ,the one I had back in the later 1980 shot pretty good but like any rifle once it gets hot your groups will open up . Is a Fun rifle to shoot
Brandi  [Member]
4/3/2012 5:45:09 PM
Originally Posted By RatTerrier:
Originally Posted By Brandi:
Ever since watching the A-team when I was a kid I've wanted a stainless Mini 14 with a black synthetic stock...ah the power of TV. Howling Mad Murdock was my fave


I'm just the opposite, I never wanted one cause they couldn't shoot a bad guy to save their lives in the series....goes to show ya how inaccurate they are even in the hands of trained professionals...hahaha



Funny how many bad guys survived 80's TV lol