HB2522 (Open Carry) to be Heard Wednesday

It is to be voted on by the House Public Safety Committee at 10:30 AM Wednesday in room 432A in the State Capitol. If you have the chance, please email the members of that committee asking them to pass it.

You can copy the addresses below and paste them into the address of your email and you should reach all of the committee members with the email you write.

suetibbs@okhouse.gov, stevemartin@okhouse.gov, john.bennett@okhouse.gov, ed.cannaday@okhouse.gov, josh.cockroft@okhouse.gov, dougcox@okhouse.gov, tommy.hardin@okhouse.gov, chuck.hoskin@okhouse.gov, fred.jordan@okhouse.gov, charlie.joyner@okhouse.gov, pat.ownbey@okhouse.gov, pampeterson@okhouse.gov, brian.renegar@okhouse.gov, paulroan@okhouse.gov, todd.thomsen@okhouse.gov, steve.vaughan@okhouse.gov

Got this reply:

Thank you so much for your contact and concern on this important issue! I always appreciate hearing from people across this great State on issues they are passionate about.
I too, am in support of HB2522 and have co-authored it as well as voted and debated for it when it came to committee this morning. I am pleased to say that it passed overwhelmingly. I have always stood for and defended the right to own and bear arms and will continue to do so during my stay in the legislature. I have a perfect voting record on second amendment issues, and will continue that with any vote coming up this year.
Thank you again for getting a hold of me! If there is anything further that I can ever do for you, please don’t hesitate to let me know. That’s what I’m here for!
God bless,
Josh Cockroft
Oklahoma State Representative, District 27
2300 N. Lincoln BLVD - Room 315
Oklahoma City, OK 73105
Office: (405) 557-7349 - EXT. 349
Cell: (405) 788-9160

From: Dan xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 10:47 PM
To: Sue Tibbs; Steve Martin; John Bennett; Ed Cannaday; Josh Cockroft; Doug Cox; Tommy Hardin; Chuck Hoskin; Fred Jordan; Charlie Joyner; Pat Ownbey; Pam Peterson; Brian Renegar; Paul Roan; Todd Thomsen; Steve Vaughan
Subject: House Bill 2522

Your support of House Bill 2522 would be greatly appreciated.
An affirmative vote for HB 2522 would show that you believe in the high integrity and morals of the residents of our great state.
Thank you for your support.
Dan xxxxxxxxxx

Cudos to Dan and Representative Cockroft!

If it gets to the Governor again, we'll likely get it passed.

Here is the voting record:

Now one of the Gun Clubs here in Tulsa on the news pushing Gun Trainning for open carry ,already coming out of the wood works $$$$$$.





News on 6 for video

Everybody is an opportunist.
It wouldn't surprise me that the Career Techs jump in on the band wagon but the shooting will be done somewhere besides their campuses, much like the CLEET stuff.

Dan, what is the next step of this bill? Where does it go next? I don't understand how bills get voted on, like SB1733 & HB2522, they sound similar but I guess one
was a change or amendment to name the other is a change to existing law or ? Sorry, I'm lucky to be able to read and right, High school ed and all....

The House and the Senate have a committee that make their respective bills match after they have gone through both committees, then they send it to each chamber for a vote.
It has to pass both chambers, then get signed by the governor.

This passed in the house 85-9 heading to the senate

, need to list the 9 nays for us to see who.

NAYS: 9
Cooksey
Nollan
Shelton
Hardin
Pittman
Virgin
McDaniel, J.
Roan
Williams

http://www.oklegislature.gov/BillInfo.aspx?Bill=hb2522

So what is the next step?

Senate Vote, if it passes -) it to the Gov to sign .

I am completely shocked that Tibbs voted yes since she is the one who has constantly shut it down.
I don't like that we are required to have a CHL.

it would be nice to not have to have a license however having it with a license is still a step in the right direction IMO

She want your Vote in Nov even Chuck Rep voted for it ,lol

CHL, licence? looks like we got FUCKED again!
Fucking SHEEPLE!

I well be an outlaw to the end!
III%

One step at a time........

Wow , I have the right to carry a Gun with a license ,

Little steps are for children, I am a man!
If those boys on the bridge at Concord took little steps, we would all be speaking the kings english still! III%

You could run for office then and help the cause !

I think this is the video you were referencing:

KOTV Open Carry Story

The "gun clubs" weren't trying to push any gun training in that story. KOTV asked my co-instructor Don, who was one of the first instructors to teach concealed carry in the state for an interview and to make some comments about the new law.

That being said, I think he brings up some good points in the small portion of the interview that they showed. I hear time and time again from people that they already know the law, or they grew up around guns, etc, etc. Maybe they do, and maybe they did. However, were they taught a lot of bad habits? It only takes a few trips to the public ranges around here to find those folks. There is also a lot of people out there who are new to firearms and are smart, educated, professional people. They know that just like in their work, if they don't know something, the right thing to do is to seek professional training.

I can hardly go through a class without some student destroying a target stand. At any rate, there is no doubt in my mind that training is needed by people and it IS beneficial and can head off a lot of problems. Convincing people of that is sometimes difficult.

If a person is in your class and can't shoot , don't pass him or her for god sakes ,you should have that options to say no and more trainning is needed .


Eta, when is the only time you can draw you handgun in public ?

We can't flunk people for being inaccurate. We can however fail the student if they can not safely handle a firearm. Those are some of the points that were brought up in the video....you watched it right?

ARE YOU 40, also?

lol, sorry Mike....

The SDA candidates don't have to hit the target ONCE but they are required to shoot 50 rounds.
The law isn't designed to make Wyatt Earps out of ordinary citizens, just someone that could use a gun to save their lives.
Their proficiency with their firearm is THEIR business until they shoot an innocent bystander.
Until we get a large number of those, then I don't think requiring more training is warranted.
By the way, they are just changing the law that if you have an SDA permit, you can carry open or concealed.
Open or concealed, you have to have an SDA license if this bill passes.

Saved to my phone and will watch it again , but if someone came hit a target 10 feet away , he is not safe .

Even that war had set backs and yes, there were baby steps taken. Look at Valley Forge, Belleau Woods, The Pacific Theater, the march to Germany, Ect... All Victories, All REQUIRED baby steps. If it only needed one good hit, we would have beaten the king back to England by the time he hit our beaches, defeated the Germans before trenches were dug, bypassed all the islands and fought the Japanese in Japan and parachuted into Germany and shot Hitler in his face in 1944. I agree that its our right and that we should be able to exercise it as we see fit but that would be a perfect world which sadly, this aint


Sometimes baby steps is the best/only way to go and you gotta be patient.

You don't want to be taking baby steps to get away from them because they jammed something up your ass.

Not talking fire hydrants

60

I would have figured you to be at least 70. It took a lot of hard work to get that ugly in just 60 years.

You did it in 20!!!


At least that's what I hear from historians!

Hell, you don't know what I look like or anybody else on this board.
Every time you see us you just stare at our crotches.

This. The way things are now, it's open carry with a CHL, or no open carry at all. I'd rather have the safety of not having to worry about brandishing charges if my concealed pistol prints in the interim before legislation gets passed someday that removes the need for the CHL.

Absolute 2A freedom will never happen in our life times.
As a matter of fact, if Obama is reelected we will see Executive Orders and court rulings severely curtailing the ones we currently have.
In Oklahoma, there are a large number of elitists who think they know what is best for the average citizen and that they can't be trusted to determine their own fate.
Welcome to the modern world.

Dan nailed it.
Everyone says it is a step in the right direction, but I don't imagine it ever being changed to open carry without "permission ".

Edited!!!


I think someone on OSA was misreading what the language inserted by Russell was and was playing chicken little. According to others it is the same language that passed last year. Edited my post until more information comes out.

Are there still 2 bills under consideration? I know that one passed the senate and was amended to NOT require the CCW license. The house bill DOES require the license. It doesnt' take a rocket scientist to figure out which one is more likely to pass but we can always hope for the Senate version.

I'm a ccw instructor, but I'd love to see open carry legal without a license. Of course there will always be those against it but needing a license to carry open is an obvious infringement.

I successfully gutted the House version today that tied our 2A right to bear arms to CCL permits. I amended the entire bill with my last year's version that the House author killed last year after we passed it in the senate. Now the bill is completely different and looks like what it should have if they had let us run the right bill to begin with this year. The House author's CCL version is now dead. I guess that makes us even. There is one that passed out of the senate that is over in the house but it will come back to us.

So what does this all mean? First, don't ever quit. Second, both bills will likely go to conference and we will work to get the best possible language to the Governor in a single bill.

The version that passed the house and came to us in the senate is now the following:

21 Yrs of age
Holster or scabbard
Safety Course with certification in Open Carry Laws & Safe Handling & Use of Firearms taught by NRA or CLEET certified instructor.
Card issued if pass the course (Think Hunter's Safety). Card is good for open carry.
No state fees or state officials (Let the free market take care of it. I am helping create jobs)
Instructors will keep cards on file like Hunter's Safety


We will also add the following language:
Officer first response on if you are carrying for CCL and the same language from the old version on ammunition.

That is the latest.

Now, urge senators to vote YES for Sen. Treat's amended version of HB2522. Steve

Thanks for the great info Steve, that cleared things up considerably for me. Thanks also for your work on furthering recognition of our 2nd Amendment rights in Oklahoma, it's always been nice to see you being involved on the board.

Jason

Any idea on when we will hear more?

This pass Senate Comittee today ?

HB2522 passed the Senate Committee on 3/29 after Senator Russell's amendment. I think it was up for a full house Senate next.

Great!

Hmm... Anyone know of a company that makes scabbards for ARs..?

Tango make a leg rig , pg 4

Still working both bills. Lots of opposition to a constitutional carry. The LEs don't want it because of their usual concerns and fears and the gun groups think the best we can get it is convoluted carry.

I find it all odd. When the second amendment was written it was basically this - "If you have an arm, you will use it and learn to be trained with it. And you might also be available as a part of a well regulated militia in time of national need." Today, we see folks saying, "if you want to carry an arm, it ain't gonna happen until you prove you are trained with it. And it better be a hand gun in a holster with a license."

I also find it all sad. We will likely end up with convoluted carry. When we do, we will find ourselves in a position where it will be very hard to get to the constitutional carry states. There are only 4 - Alaska, Wyoming, Vermont and Arizona. I predict advocates will hit the following brick walls in the future if we give in now on convoluted carry:

- Are you really saying you think a person doesn't need training?
- Do you really think we don't need a background check to keep felons and mental cases from carrying?
- Do you really think we are going to turn loose of $$$ we get in fees and fines? (This one will not be said but thought)

Open carry is nothing more than carrying a firearm. Period. When it comes out of a holster, then it is something entirely different. Only a handful of possibilities at that point. Self defense, stand your ground, unlawful pointing or brandishing, reckless endangerment, or criminal acts with a firearm. How it is carried is irrelevant. The law covers all the other stuff already. Tying our hands out of fears on those areas already covered by law does not strengthen our 2A rights.

The other problem, and it is one I am working no matter what we end up with, is that the current open carry proposal hooked to a convoluted CCL law will do little to solve imprinting / accidental exposure. Since the language clearly states a hand gun in a holster, then if you have it in your pocket, purse, bible, bag, or waistline and it is not in a holster, you are not lawfully carrying if it slips out.

I will continue to work this issue. I am very much alone on this at the capitol. So all of those that want convoluted carry, you will likely get your wish. Congrats. As to the argument that the governor will not sign it any other way, she looks at Jan Brewer and Arizona in a very positive and friendly way. And they have constitutional carry with little to no problems whatsoever. Steve

In your opinion what are we going to end up with? I've been watching things go back and forth and, to be honest, I'm pretty confused on what exactly is and isn't being voted on. I know you've been working hard to simplify the language and turn this back into the basic bill it was supposed to be but it's making me dizzy. Are we going to end up with open carry in any form? For once I would like to see Oklahoma do something progressive...being the last state to legalize tattoos was just embarrassing. While Oklahoma has fairly lenient gun laws by comparison with the rest of the nation we could/should do more. While I don't consider myself a conservative or even a Republican I definitely support what you are trying to do.

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