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 Heads up - DD214 will work for FL CCW Training Requirement
drobs  [Team Member]
7/30/2010 11:39:09 PM
Thought I would pass this on to you guys. A DD214 will fulfill Florida's training requirement for their CCW license.
Request an application here:
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/FORMS/FormsRequest790.html
Permit is valid for 7 years. You need your local CLEO to finger print you.

When I can spend some more quality time in MO I will get theirs but that won't happen for awhile.
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mrraley  [Team Member]
7/31/2010 2:09:56 AM
Once you get your FL permit, make a copy of it, your foid card and DL... and fill out the form for a PA permit to get one of them too.
YoteSlayer69  [Team Member]
7/31/2010 8:00:42 AM
This is good new's. Sent for my application
codycoyote  [Moderator]
7/31/2010 12:19:59 PM
Also, if you have ever taken the IL DNR hunter safety course, that will work too.
Armed-Not-Dangerous  [Member]
7/31/2010 7:52:37 PM
Thought live fire was required as well? We did that with Horvick's class at GAT. But that was 3 years ago.
shadesofgrey  [Team Member]
7/31/2010 8:38:58 PM
Originally Posted By Armed-Not-Dangerous:
Thought live fire was required as well? We did that with Horvick's class at GAT. But that was 3 years ago.


DNR hunter safety card worked for me.
Jazzemt  [Life Member]
8/1/2010 8:13:31 AM
I looked through the FL requirements for their ccw and there is nothing in there saying that live fire is required. Odd every trainer says it is required.
phorvick  [Team Member]
8/1/2010 7:44:40 PM
Originally Posted By Jazzemt:
I looked through the FL requirements for their ccw and there is nothing in there saying that live fire is required. Odd every trainer says it is required.


Because it is required for most people. DD214 and Hunter Safety card are exempt (I suppose on the theorey they have done that in their classes.).

The other two most common methods are (a) taking an NRA class; or (b) taking any class on general handgun safety that is taught by an NRA instructor; but, as to those two options, FL law says:

...any person who conducts a course pursuant to subparagraph 2., subparagraph 3., or subparagraph 7., or who, as an instructor, attests to the completion of such courses, must maintain records certifying that he or she observed the student safely handle and discharge the firearm;

(NOTE: the subparagraphs referenced are the NRA course or course taught by an NRA instructor; therefore range time is required in those circumstances,)

There is no requirement of a particular course of fire, score, percent hits etc. Just that the instructor can honestly state that they observed the student safely handle and discharge the firearm.

I still do the classes at GAT, and if you want Florida, you will shoot a very minimal range exercise. It is required.
phorvick  [Team Member]
8/1/2010 7:52:46 PM
Originally Posted By drobs:
Thought I would pass this on to you guys. A DD214 will fulfill Florida's training requirement for their CCW license.
Request an application here:
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/FORMS/FormsRequest790.html
Permit is valid for 7 years. You need your local CLEO to finger print you.

When I can spend some more quality time in MO I will get theirs but that won't happen for awhile.


By "theirs", I assume you mean Florida?? Missouri does not issue non-resident permits, but does honor all permits from other States. So, an IL resident can legally carry in MO if they have a permit from any State.
drobs  [Team Member]
8/2/2010 1:45:03 PM
Originally Posted By phorvick:
Originally Posted By drobs:
Thought I would pass this on to you guys. A DD214 will fulfill Florida's training requirement for their CCW license.
Request an application here:
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/FORMS/FormsRequest790.html
Permit is valid for 7 years. You need your local CLEO to finger print you.

When I can spend some more quality time in MO I will get theirs but that won't happen for awhile.


By "theirs", I assume you mean Florida?? Missouri does not issue non-resident permits, but does honor all permits from other States. So, an IL resident can legally carry in MO if they have a permit from any State.


I recently escape IL for MO. MO has a training requirement and a time limit between issueing a CCW approval and converting that into a state ID or DL. Being that I work overseas, FL or one of the other state CCW's is ideal for me.

Many of us on this board served our country it's nice to see that a state recognizes that service.
Gamma762  [Team Member]
8/13/2010 1:58:30 AM
As an aside, AZ now has relaxed requirements for non-resident CCW permits and will now accept a variety of training options (to include DD214) which puts them in the same league as UT and FL IMO. AZ is quite a bit less expensive than FL as well, although FL does give you FL carry.

Getting the fingerprint cards done for the states that require them can be a challenge especially if you don't want to raise red flags with local LE in IL. Most will just try to send you to the contract places that do electronic fingerprinting for all the in-state things that require it, which won't work for out of state permits.

The MO permit is good, but expensive and as PITA as you mention. You do get NV reciprocity which is hard to come by with a MO permit. When/if you do, I would strongly recommend getting a state ID card and putting the CCW endorsement on that instead of the DL.
jaker10  [Member]
8/13/2010 7:34:37 AM
FL. will also take your ILL. Dept. of professional regulation paper work as long as you have had live fire.
KingC  [Member]
8/13/2010 9:41:23 AM
Why would it raise red flags with LE? The whole process is handled by the FL. Dept of Agriculture. For all they know, you are applying for a job to pick dates in Daytona, Prunes in St Petersburg, etc.
shadesofgrey  [Team Member]
8/13/2010 9:51:49 AM
Originally Posted By KingC:
Why would it raise red flags with LE? The whole process is handled by the FL. Dept of Agriculture. For all they know, you are applying for a job to pick dates in Daytona, Prunes in St Petersburg, etc.


Some members were turned away from LEO's when asked what the fingerprints were for.
Gamma762  [Team Member]
8/13/2010 7:14:19 PM
Originally Posted By shadesofgrey:
Originally Posted By KingC:
Why would it raise red flags with LE? The whole process is handled by the FL. Dept of Agriculture. For all they know, you are applying for a job to pick dates in Daytona, Prunes in St Petersburg, etc.

Some members were turned away from LEO's when asked what the fingerprints were for.

Or get entered into LEADS Caution file.

Or just become the topic of dept scuttlebutt... "hey did you know so-and-so wants to carry a GUN?!?"
Lion_of_Lincoln  [Team Member]
8/13/2010 10:29:06 PM

Originally Posted By mrraley:
Once you get your FL permit, make a copy of it, your foid card and DL... and fill out the form for a PA permit to get one of them too.

As long as you have your FOID you can get a Pennsyvania non-resident permit.It doesn't have reciprocity with anywhere near as many states as Florida or Utah, but it doesn't require anything other than filling out the form, sending a copy of your DL and FOID, and a $26 check.

The Illinois Carry forum has lots of info about non-resident permits and how to acquire them.
Gamma762  [Team Member]
8/13/2010 10:57:02 PM
Originally Posted By Lion_of_Lincoln:
Originally Posted By mrraley:
Once you get your FL permit, make a copy of it, your foid card and DL... and fill out the form for a PA permit to get one of them too.

As long as you have your FOID you can get a Pennsyvania non-resident permit.It doesn't have reciprocity with anywhere near as many states as Florida or Utah, but it doesn't require anything other than filling out the form, sending a copy of your DL and FOID, and a $26 check.
The Illinois Carry forum has lots of info about non-resident permits and how to acquire them.

There's almost no excuse for an IL resident to not have a PA permit if you don't already have another carry permit. I advise everyone to get one before the window of opportunity closes next spring. Reciprocity isn't as good as the "big 2 3" but the cost and lack of complexity just can't be beat.
Lion_of_Lincoln  [Team Member]
8/14/2010 12:35:08 AM

Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By Lion_of_Lincoln:
Originally Posted By mrraley:
Once you get your FL permit, make a copy of it, your foid card and DL... and fill out the form for a PA permit to get one of them too.

As long as you have your FOID you can get a Pennsyvania non-resident permit.It doesn't have reciprocity with anywhere near as many states as Florida or Utah, but it doesn't require anything other than filling out the form, sending a copy of your DL and FOID, and a $26 check.
The Illinois Carry forum has lots of info about non-resident permits and how to acquire them.

There's almost no excuse for an IL resident to not have a PA permit if you don't already have another carry permit. I advise everyone to get one before the window of opportunity closes next spring. Reciprocity isn't as good as the "big 2 3" but the cost and lack of complexity just can't be beat.

You couldn't be more correct. It takes a week, at most, from the time you put the form in the mailbox to the time you receive your permit in the mailbox. And beginning next year (2011), Pennsylvania permits will only be available by showing up in person in Pennsylvania. The time is ticking.

http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=175



Gamma762  [Team Member]
8/14/2010 1:59:18 PM
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By shadesofgrey:
Originally Posted By KingC:
Why would it raise red flags with LE? The whole process is handled by the FL. Dept of Agriculture. For all they know, you are applying for a job to pick dates in Daytona, Prunes in St Petersburg, etc.

Some members were turned away from LEO's when asked what the fingerprints were for.

Or get entered into LEADS Caution file.

Or just become the topic of dept scuttlebutt... "hey did you know so-and-so wants to carry a GUN?!?"

For anyone curious, here are the fingerprint cards that are supplied for Florida and Arizona license applications. Arizona is blatant, Florida would not be hard to figure out and a simple google search for "Florida 790.06" will provide the answer. It might be lower profile to just ask if they have any blank applicant cards, then fill in the info. Another big plus for the PA permit IMO.




Here's PA reciprocity by the way...

If they could add KS, NE and AL that would be excellent. That and get CO, MI and FL to accept non-resident permits
nolan7120  [Member]
8/15/2010 3:48:27 AM
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By shadesofgrey:
Originally Posted By KingC:
Why would it raise red flags with LE? The whole process is handled by the FL. Dept of Agriculture. For all they know, you are applying for a job to pick dates in Daytona, Prunes in St Petersburg, etc.

Some members were turned away from LEO's when asked what the fingerprints were for.

Or get entered into LEADS Caution file.

For anyone curious, here are the fingerprint cards that are supplied for Florida and Arizona license applications. Arizona is blatant, Florida would not be hard to figure out and a simple google search for "Florida 790.06" will provide the answer. It might be lower profile to just ask if they have any blank applicant cards, then fill in the info. Another big plus for the PA permit IMO.

http://muzepix.com/ar/temp/fingerprintcards.jpg


Here's PA reciprocity by the way...
http://muzepix.com/ar/temp/PAreciprocity.jpg
If they could add KS, NE and AL that would be excellent. That and get CO, MI and FL to accept non-resident permits


I think your map is shown for a resident PA CCW, not non-resident. i could be wrong though. My map that I have doesn't show Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota, West Virginia, North Carolina or Vermont as recognizing a non-resident PA CCW. It was downloaded from concealedcarry.net. The reciprocity map on their site is under maintenance though. So maybe they're updating it if your map is right. I'm not sure. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Gamma762  [Team Member]
8/15/2010 1:54:40 PM
Originally Posted By nolan7120:
I think your map is shown for a resident PA CCW, not non-resident. i could be wrong though. My map that I have doesn't show Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota, West Virginia, North Carolina or Vermont as recognizing a non-resident PA CCW. It was downloaded from concealedcarry.net. The reciprocity map on their site is under maintenance though. So maybe they're updating it if your map is right. I'm not sure. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

You are incorrect. Off the top of my head for example WV eliminated their restriction on non-res permits via legislation July 2009, Vermont doesn't even require a permit to carry, and Utah recognizes all permits including non-resident. The map is the current map from handgunlaw.us, modified with a different color for the no-non-res states and the "2011" tag on Iowa which is supposed to start recognizing all permits as of Jan 1, 2011.

The states that officially do not recognize non-resident permits are listed in my sigline with one exception - CO, MI, FL, SC, NH, and ME. Nevada (via the Nevada Sheriff's and Chief's association) has effectively become another as they eliminated reciprocity with states that issue to non-residents. ME has limited reciprocity and none of the reciprocity states issue to non-residents anyway so ME is a moot point - and they do issue their own permit which is relatively easy to get.
nolan7120  [Member]
8/18/2010 2:49:02 PM
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By nolan7120:
I think your map is shown for a resident PA CCW, not non-resident. i could be wrong though. My map that I have doesn't show Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota, West Virginia, North Carolina or Vermont as recognizing a non-resident PA CCW. It was downloaded from concealedcarry.net. The reciprocity map on their site is under maintenance though. So maybe they're updating it if your map is right. I'm not sure. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

You are incorrect. Off the top of my head for example WV eliminated their restriction on non-res permits via legislation July 2009, Vermont doesn't even require a permit to carry, and Utah recognizes all permits including non-resident. The map is the current map from handgunlaw.us, modified with a different color for the no-non-res states and the "2011" tag on Iowa which is supposed to start recognizing all permits as of Jan 1, 2011.

The states that officially do not recognize non-resident permits are listed in my sigline with one exception - CO, MI, FL, SC, NH, and ME. Nevada (via the Nevada Sheriff's and Chief's association) has effectively become another as they eliminated reciprocity with states that issue to non-residents. ME has limited reciprocity and none of the reciprocity states issue to non-residents anyway so ME is a moot point - and they do issue their own permit which is relatively easy to get.


Thanks for the clarification. This must be why concealedcarry.net is upgrading their map and bringing it up to date.
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