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rcav8r  [Member]
1/19/2012 8:50:26 PM
Suppose we amend act 35 to include something like the following:

"no building with restrooms or showers that is owned, leased, rented, operated, or used by any government can be posted against weapons of any kind".

Simple, effective, and renders 99% of the various munciple ordinances against weapons posting moot.
PATRIOT590A1  [Team Member]
1/21/2012 2:36:45 AM
Originally Posted By rcav8r:
Suppose we amend act 35 to include something like the following:

"no building with restrooms or showers that is owned, leased, rented, operated, or used by any government can be posted against weapons of any kind".

Simple, effective, and renders 99% of the various munciple ordinances against weapons posting moot.


like !!!!
glenn_r  [Team Member]
1/21/2012 8:29:11 AM
Simpler to just propose not allowing government buildings to be posted. I don't think your proposal would succeed in disguising its purpose or effect.
jesse2194  [Member]
1/21/2012 9:46:04 AM
I would they prefer they take the 2 day waiting period away for handgun purchases with a CCW, have it as an Instant NICS check and be done.
rcav8r  [Member]
1/21/2012 10:20:23 AM
My proposal throws a small bone to the antis (snicker) in that pavillions and the like aren't buildings. Then I suppose we could say "for purposes of this law, no open air building or pavillion on government property (etc, etc, etc) may not be posted also.

Whatever. I know it's not going to happen like this. The only way we're gonna stop local ordinances is to make a law that just comes out and says so. In other words, the local governments can no longer post, but state government can.
Rob940  [Member]
1/21/2012 3:59:49 PM
How about a change that the only legal way to post a building as no CCW is that the whole building MUST be painted hot pink?
Ranger_Edge  [Member]
1/21/2012 5:59:50 PM
I agree with jesse2194...
Have the CCW card wipe out waiting periods...!
Bill2k1  [Member]
1/21/2012 6:34:05 PM
Originally Posted By jesse2194:
I would they prefer they take the 2 day waiting period away for handgun purchases with a CCW, have it as an Instant NICS check and be done.


+1


It is hard to believe I can buy a gun while wearing one and have to wait.
eclark53520  [Member]
1/21/2012 6:57:44 PM
Originally Posted By Bill2k1:
Originally Posted By jesse2194:
I would they prefer they take the 2 day waiting period away for handgun purchases with a CCW, have it as an Instant NICS check and be done.


+1


It is hard to believe I can buy a gun while wearing one and have to wait.


+1
T-800  [Team Member]
1/21/2012 7:17:15 PM
Originally Posted By jesse2194:
I would they prefer they take the 2 day waiting period away for handgun purchases with a CCW, have it as an Instant NICS check and be done.


+10000000

The waiting period is totally worthless for a CCW holder. Furthermore, the state is requiring you to double pay for a background check. Sounds inappropriate
Especially in a bad economy.

Let's get rid of this silly BS ASAP.
jesse2194  [Member]
1/21/2012 7:25:59 PM
what would it take to do it? I know right now its not feasible, but after Walker wins his re-election that would be the time
Belisarius_33  [Team Member]
1/21/2012 8:59:53 PM
Originally Posted By jesse2194:
what would it take to do it? I know right now its not feasible, but after Walker wins his re-election that would be the time


+87!
T-800  [Team Member]
1/21/2012 9:16:49 PM
Attach it to a bill Libs really want.
Remove the 48 hr waiting period and fix the state MG statute.
Interceptor_Knight  [Team Member]
1/21/2012 11:02:51 PM
Originally Posted By jesse2194:
I would they prefer they take the 2 day waiting period away for handgun purchases with a CCW, have it as an Instant NICS check and be done.


There is no reason to have a 48 hour wait at all for anyone whether or not they have a WI Concealed Carry license. Simply use NICS and get rid of the WI DOJ checks altogether.
Bob-26  [Team Member]
1/21/2012 11:53:20 PM
Originally Posted By Interceptor_Knight:
Originally Posted By jesse2194:
I would they prefer they take the 2 day waiting period away for handgun purchases with a CCW, have it as an Instant NICS check and be done.


There is no reason to have a 48 hour wait at all for anyone whether or not they have a WI Concealed Carry license. Simply use NICS and get rid of the WI DOJ checks altogether.


+ 1 Never made sense in the first place
Kuraki  [Team Member]
1/22/2012 12:50:18 AM
From what I understand, they can't remove the waiting period with our current law, because only states that rerun background checks annually for their CCW may waive the waiting period.


Also, yay - Got mine yesterday. Only 81 days
Interceptor_Knight  [Team Member]
1/22/2012 3:38:13 AM
Originally Posted By Kuraki:
From what I understand, they can't remove the waiting period with our current law, because only states that rerun background checks annually for their CCW may waive the waiting period.

Since NICS came on line, there is no longer a Federal waiting period. WI is free to remove ours.
rfb45colt  [Team Member]
1/22/2012 10:53:17 AM
Originally Posted By Interceptor_Knight:
Since NICS came on line, there is no longer a Federal waiting period. WI is free to remove ours.


That's the whole point of the National Instant Check System... for it to be "instant", with no waiting. Any state that still has any waiting periods are free to remove them as long as NICS (Brady Law) is adhered to.

Originally Posted By Kuraki:
From what I understand, they can't remove the waiting period with our current law, because only states that rerun background checks annually for their CCW may waive the waiting period.


I think what you have this confused with is waiving the NICS check entirely for CCW permit holders. IOW, fill out the 4473, show your permit, and cash & carry... no "phone call" to anyone. That does take "permission" from the Feds. They must put a state on their "alternatives to Brady Law list" ( http://www.atf.gov/firearms/brady-law/permit-chart.html) before FFLs can "waive" a NICS check for CC licensees. Numerous states (21... some with some other requirements such as date permit was issued) are on that list... CC licensees in those states do not need a NICS check when purchasing, as far as the Brady Law / ATF is concerned. I'm not exactly sure what ATF's criteria is, but I do know that if WI gets put on that list, it will not negate the waiting period / DOJ check for handguns. That must be done by the state legislature, because it's a state statute. As far as the Feds are concerned, WI can eliminate the WI DOJ's point of contact with NICS, and the waiting period, and treat handguns the same as long guns with just a NICS check. And if the criteria is met, WI can get put on the "permit alternative" list.

edit to add: I found this at ATF's site also. It's old (1998) but still relevant. http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/1998/10/103098-openletter-ffl-wisconsin-brady-law.html

Here's another "open letter" sent to Iowa FFLs. CC licensees in Iowa have been "exempt" from NICS since 1998.
http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/1998/10/103098-openletter-ffl-iowa-brady-law.html

Alternatives to a NICS Check
The Brady law provides that certain permits may qualify as alternatives to a NICS check. The permit to acquire a handgun and concealed weapons permit in your State qualified as alternatives to a background check under the interim provisions of Brady, and will continue to qualify as alternatives to the NICS check required by permanent Brady. Of course all such transactions must still comply with State law.

If you transfer a firearm to an unlicensed person
(non-FFL) pursuant to the permit alternative, you must comply with the following requirements:

1.Have the transferee complete and sign ATF Form 4473, Firearms Transaction Record.
2.Verify the identity of the transferee through a Government-issued photo identification (for example, a driver’s license).
3.Verify that the permit was issued within the past 5 years by the State in which the transfer is to occur, and that the permit has not expired under State law.
4.Either retain a copy of the transferee’s permit and attach it to the Form 4473, or record on the Form 4473 any identifying number from the permit, the date of issuance, and the expiration date of the permit.



cranked  [Member]
1/22/2012 11:07:51 AM
Originally Posted By Rob940:
How about a change that the only legal way to post a building as no CCW is that the whole building MUST be painted hot pink?


Don't underestimate the lengths people will go to in order to have what they want. Do you really want a bunch of pink buildings all over the place?
rcav8r  [Member]
1/22/2012 11:14:12 AM
Go ahead with the hot pink idea....a lot of madisons crap are "pink elephants" anyway...overture center, proposed edgewater hotel, etc.
Rob940  [Member]
1/22/2012 5:23:02 PM

Originally Posted By cranked:
Originally Posted By Rob940:
How about a change that the only legal way to post a building as no CCW is that the whole building MUST be painted hot pink?


Don't underestimate the lengths people will go to in order to have what they want. Do you really want a bunch of pink buildings all over the place?

Ya have any idea what it would cost to paint an entire mall hot pink? I doubt CBL would rather just allow ccw than spend the $$$ to paint all their malls (janeville, east towne (mad), west town (mad), west towne crossing (mad), Regency (racine), brookfield square and wausau center). Hell I would just start my own paint company just for the special hot pink paint that will only be allowed to be used and sell it for $10K/gal.
Kuraki  [Team Member]
1/23/2012 10:11:11 AM
Originally Posted By Interceptor_Knight:
Originally Posted By Kuraki:
From what I understand, they can't remove the waiting period with our current law, because only states that rerun background checks annually for their CCW may waive the waiting period.

Since NICS came on line, there is no longer a Federal waiting period. WI is free to remove ours.


Thanks for straightening me out.