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Practical rifle at Upper Nisqually
4/1/2012 7:45:51 PM
I just got an OK from Upper Nisqually Sportsman's club to start up a practical rifle program there, so they can take a look at it. They (understandably) want to see what the program will be like, and are supportive of starting it up. The first part of getting matches on the schedule is for us to have a safety briefing/orientation for the first group of shooters. This orientation will be on 21 April at Upper Nisqually (near Eatonville), and will be no cost.
Matches will be $15. To sell this program to the club, I had to make a proposal that had no financial impact on the club. As a result, we need shooters to each supply 3 steel targets and stands for us to shoot on. Shooters retain ownership of their steel. After we get some match fee surplus, we will invest in targets.
The Orientation will take about 3 hours, and will cover safety, rules, scoring, and other related items. Every shooter will have to attend the orientation once. The club is only allowing me to have 10 shooters for the first trial match, so counting me, there are 9 openings on first come first serve basis. I don't mind if there are a couple of extra people at the first orientation, but the club wants the first match small so they can see how things run. Anyone interested should send me a PM or email, and I'll provide more info. Feel free to ask questions.
Matches will be $15. To sell this program to the club, I had to make a proposal that had no financial impact on the club. As a result, we need shooters to each supply 3 steel targets and stands for us to shoot on. Shooters retain ownership of their steel. After we get some match fee surplus, we will invest in targets.
The Orientation will take about 3 hours, and will cover safety, rules, scoring, and other related items. Every shooter will have to attend the orientation once. The club is only allowing me to have 10 shooters for the first trial match, so counting me, there are 9 openings on first come first serve basis. I don't mind if there are a couple of extra people at the first orientation, but the club wants the first match small so they can see how things run. Anyone interested should send me a PM or email, and I'll provide more info. Feel free to ask questions.
4/2/2012 11:52:39 AM
What distances will the Course of Fire range? Steal at 50 yards are less can be bad. Will cardboard/paper targets be used?
Will you need props? Walls, Doors, Barricades, etc
What specs are needed for the steel targets? Size, grade of steel, etc
Rifle Only? or will you be doing handgun and/or shotgun?
What limits on ammunition? I would think no armor piercing (as you could damage borrowed steel), no incendiary, no tracers. Is steel case ammo allowed? Is steel core bullets allowed?
Caliber limitations? Nothing greater than 308 or can someone run a 50bmg, will 22 lr be allowed?
Firearms limitations? Semi Auto Only or can bolt guns used.
What is the minimum gear required? Will jean pockets do, or will full tac gear be required, or something in between?
Will video or photos of the event be allowed? Any limitations? Yes, I have been to shoots where an announcement is made that says "You can video, just do not put where this is taking place.", and "All the still photos you want, No video".
Is there a required number of Mags?
Will suppressors be allowed?
Is this rain or shine?
What time does it this start? A 9am start time for Orientation means Noon you will be done. Will you expect shooter to eat at the range while setting COF? How many COFs do you envision? How late do you envision this going with clean up?
At the second match how will you handle a 3 hour orientation for your new shooters? Will the returning shooters be shooting the COFs while the new shooters go through orientation or will everyone start at 12:30pm (assuming a 9am start time, and a half hour for lunch off sight).
What is available on sight? Restrooms, Water, or is it a bring your own food and drink affair.
I sincerely would like to see you succeed in this endeavor. Please do not take this as me being a WISE ASS. I have been involved in FNRL for many years, and through 4 ranges. These are some of the questions that arise.
Will you need props? Walls, Doors, Barricades, etc
What specs are needed for the steel targets? Size, grade of steel, etc
Rifle Only? or will you be doing handgun and/or shotgun?
What limits on ammunition? I would think no armor piercing (as you could damage borrowed steel), no incendiary, no tracers. Is steel case ammo allowed? Is steel core bullets allowed?
Caliber limitations? Nothing greater than 308 or can someone run a 50bmg, will 22 lr be allowed?
Firearms limitations? Semi Auto Only or can bolt guns used.
What is the minimum gear required? Will jean pockets do, or will full tac gear be required, or something in between?
Will video or photos of the event be allowed? Any limitations? Yes, I have been to shoots where an announcement is made that says "You can video, just do not put where this is taking place.", and "All the still photos you want, No video".
Is there a required number of Mags?
Will suppressors be allowed?
Is this rain or shine?
What time does it this start? A 9am start time for Orientation means Noon you will be done. Will you expect shooter to eat at the range while setting COF? How many COFs do you envision? How late do you envision this going with clean up?
At the second match how will you handle a 3 hour orientation for your new shooters? Will the returning shooters be shooting the COFs while the new shooters go through orientation or will everyone start at 12:30pm (assuming a 9am start time, and a half hour for lunch off sight).
What is available on sight? Restrooms, Water, or is it a bring your own food and drink affair.
I sincerely would like to see you succeed in this endeavor. Please do not take this as me being a WISE ASS. I have been involved in FNRL for many years, and through 4 ranges. These are some of the questions that arise.
4/2/2012 1:59:56 PM
Originally Posted By FS-FNRL:
What distances will the Course of Fire range? Steal at 50 yards are less can be bad. Will cardboard/paper targets be used?
ANSWER: The berms are at 100,200,300,400,500, and 550 yards so we have to place our steel within a few yards of the berms to keep bullet impact into the berms. No cardboard or paper targets as it takes too long to score them.
Will you need props? Walls, Doors, Barricades, etc
ANSWER: Eventually we will use more props, but initially, we will just use whatever we find at the ranges to simulate cover. As things progress we will need to use, build, acquire more props.
What specs are needed for the steel targets? Size, grade of steel, etc
ANSWER: Armor plate works best as it doesn't crater. The size of the steel isn't important, as the more diverse sizes we have available, the more diverse our courses of fire can become.
Rifle Only? or will you be doing handgun and/or shotgun?
ANSWER: Rifle only for now.
What limits on ammunition? I would think no armor piercing (as you could damage borrowed steel), no incendiary, no tracers. Is steel case ammo allowed? Is steel core bullets allowed?
ANSWER: No bullets with any ferrous content allowed. All ammo will be checked with a magnet, and after checking, it will be bagged and returned to the competitor in the "on deck", or "in the hole" position. Hopefully this will eliminate damage to steel.
Caliber limitations? Nothing greater than 308 or can someone run a 50bmg, will 22 lr be allowed?
ANSWER: For now, things like 308, 303 British, 8mm mauser, 7.62x54R, and 30-06 are the max. No 22 Long rifle...it wouldn't do well at 500 yards anyhow. If we find that we have sufficient extra thick armor plate, I will consider expanding this to include things like the 300 win mag, 7mm mag and similar rounds. I doubt that we will ever get to where the 338 Lapua is allowed...besides, at only 550 yards, the 338 Lapua is severely overkill that close.
Firearms limitations? Semi Auto Only or can bolt guns used.
ANSWER: Bolt guns and semi-autos shoot against similar rifles. Iron sights within those classes if people show up with irons.
What is the minimum gear required? Will jean pockets do, or will full tac gear be required, or something in between?
ANSWER: Jeans are fine by me. There will be penalties for loaded magazines left on the ground, so a simple pouch of some kind would be really handy.
Will video or photos of the event be allowed? Any limitations? Yes, I have been to shoots where an announcement is made that says "You can video, just do not put where this is taking place.", and "All the still photos you want, No video".
ANSWER: Until Upper Nisqually says it is OK, I will go out on a limb and say No cameras. It is their club after all. If Upper Nisqually allows cameras, then I will of course go with the club's rules.
Is there a required number of Mags?
ANSWER: There is no required number of magazines, but I anticipate reloads being required on some stages. A reload could be accomplished by removing the magazine and putting more rounds into it, but it would be much faster to have a pre-loaded magazine...but is isn't required. Bolt guns complete the reload any time they insert more rounds into the action.
Will suppressors be allowed?
ANSWER: Suppressors are fine with me as they are legal. I'll ask if the club has any problem with them....I actually appreciate them.
Is this rain or shine?
ANSWER: Yes, rain or shine, The only time I would cancel is if there is so much ice or snow that the roads are unsafe. Rain and wind won't stop me from shooting as long as it isn't hurricane winds that blow the targets over.
What time does it this start? A 9am start time for Orientation means Noon you will be done. Will you expect shooter to eat at the range while setting COF? How many COFs do you envision? How late do you envision this going with clean up?
ANSWER: The orientation starts at 9am. This isn't a match...the match will be scheduled after upper Nisqually gives me a date for the match. I'm hoping to have a short course of fire at the orientation so we can make sure the people who want to shoot are safe, and know how to operate their weapon system. Future orientations will probably be closer to 4 hours. Shooters can eat at the range if they wish, but there won't be a stop for lunch. Any matches I have attended always have sufficient down time to grab a quick bite to eat while waiting to shoot. I expect 3-4 courses of fire depending on how many people eventually show up. The club would like us to use a range for 6 hours, then clear off so other members can use it. So, if we start at 9am, I would like to be off the range by 3pm including clean up. This means that courses of fire will have to be set up to run quickly.
At the second match how will you handle a 3 hour orientation for your new shooters? Will the returning shooters be shooting the COFs while the new shooters go through orientation or will everyone start at 12:30pm (assuming a 9am start time, and a half hour for lunch off sight).
ANSWER: There will be an orientation prior to each match to work in new shooters. Matches will not be on the same day as the orientation as I can't run an orientation, and match at the same time. If we get enough people qualified to help out, I wouldn't mind changing things around. Keep in mind that this discipline is just starting out. I hope that we get enough people interested so that we get a "discipline board of directors" who can decide how they want their activity run. I'm just the guy trying to get another place for us to shoot started up...I don't "own" this group, nor do I consider myself it's ruler...I am just the guy trying to get something started. The directors can decide how they want orientation and matches run, and decide pretty much anything to do with the group as long as it doesn't run afoul of Upper Nisqually's board of directors and what they want.
What is available on sight? Restrooms, Water, or is it a bring your own food and drink affair.
ANSWER: Restrooms, water, club house, covered range, benches. If you want anything more than tap water, then bring what you want to drink and/or eat.
Scoring will be set up to strongly favor accuracy over time. 20 points in 60 seconds will always beat 19 points in 10 seconds. The theory is that only hits count, fast noise doesn't do any good. However if there are a number of people with 20 points, the faster the time, the higher the placing. We will not use IPSC type scoring, and it is not IPSC type shooting or rules. Rules will be made available at the briefing. Use of cover is part of the discipline.
I sincerely would like to see you succeed in this endeavor. Please do not take this as me being a WISE ASS. I have been involved in FNRL for many years, and through 4 ranges. These are some of the questions that arise.
What distances will the Course of Fire range? Steal at 50 yards are less can be bad. Will cardboard/paper targets be used?
ANSWER: The berms are at 100,200,300,400,500, and 550 yards so we have to place our steel within a few yards of the berms to keep bullet impact into the berms. No cardboard or paper targets as it takes too long to score them.
Will you need props? Walls, Doors, Barricades, etc
ANSWER: Eventually we will use more props, but initially, we will just use whatever we find at the ranges to simulate cover. As things progress we will need to use, build, acquire more props.
What specs are needed for the steel targets? Size, grade of steel, etc
ANSWER: Armor plate works best as it doesn't crater. The size of the steel isn't important, as the more diverse sizes we have available, the more diverse our courses of fire can become.
Rifle Only? or will you be doing handgun and/or shotgun?
ANSWER: Rifle only for now.
What limits on ammunition? I would think no armor piercing (as you could damage borrowed steel), no incendiary, no tracers. Is steel case ammo allowed? Is steel core bullets allowed?
ANSWER: No bullets with any ferrous content allowed. All ammo will be checked with a magnet, and after checking, it will be bagged and returned to the competitor in the "on deck", or "in the hole" position. Hopefully this will eliminate damage to steel.
Caliber limitations? Nothing greater than 308 or can someone run a 50bmg, will 22 lr be allowed?
ANSWER: For now, things like 308, 303 British, 8mm mauser, 7.62x54R, and 30-06 are the max. No 22 Long rifle...it wouldn't do well at 500 yards anyhow. If we find that we have sufficient extra thick armor plate, I will consider expanding this to include things like the 300 win mag, 7mm mag and similar rounds. I doubt that we will ever get to where the 338 Lapua is allowed...besides, at only 550 yards, the 338 Lapua is severely overkill that close.
Firearms limitations? Semi Auto Only or can bolt guns used.
ANSWER: Bolt guns and semi-autos shoot against similar rifles. Iron sights within those classes if people show up with irons.
What is the minimum gear required? Will jean pockets do, or will full tac gear be required, or something in between?
ANSWER: Jeans are fine by me. There will be penalties for loaded magazines left on the ground, so a simple pouch of some kind would be really handy.
Will video or photos of the event be allowed? Any limitations? Yes, I have been to shoots where an announcement is made that says "You can video, just do not put where this is taking place.", and "All the still photos you want, No video".
ANSWER: Until Upper Nisqually says it is OK, I will go out on a limb and say No cameras. It is their club after all. If Upper Nisqually allows cameras, then I will of course go with the club's rules.
Is there a required number of Mags?
ANSWER: There is no required number of magazines, but I anticipate reloads being required on some stages. A reload could be accomplished by removing the magazine and putting more rounds into it, but it would be much faster to have a pre-loaded magazine...but is isn't required. Bolt guns complete the reload any time they insert more rounds into the action.
Will suppressors be allowed?
ANSWER: Suppressors are fine with me as they are legal. I'll ask if the club has any problem with them....I actually appreciate them.
Is this rain or shine?
ANSWER: Yes, rain or shine, The only time I would cancel is if there is so much ice or snow that the roads are unsafe. Rain and wind won't stop me from shooting as long as it isn't hurricane winds that blow the targets over.
What time does it this start? A 9am start time for Orientation means Noon you will be done. Will you expect shooter to eat at the range while setting COF? How many COFs do you envision? How late do you envision this going with clean up?
ANSWER: The orientation starts at 9am. This isn't a match...the match will be scheduled after upper Nisqually gives me a date for the match. I'm hoping to have a short course of fire at the orientation so we can make sure the people who want to shoot are safe, and know how to operate their weapon system. Future orientations will probably be closer to 4 hours. Shooters can eat at the range if they wish, but there won't be a stop for lunch. Any matches I have attended always have sufficient down time to grab a quick bite to eat while waiting to shoot. I expect 3-4 courses of fire depending on how many people eventually show up. The club would like us to use a range for 6 hours, then clear off so other members can use it. So, if we start at 9am, I would like to be off the range by 3pm including clean up. This means that courses of fire will have to be set up to run quickly.
At the second match how will you handle a 3 hour orientation for your new shooters? Will the returning shooters be shooting the COFs while the new shooters go through orientation or will everyone start at 12:30pm (assuming a 9am start time, and a half hour for lunch off sight).
ANSWER: There will be an orientation prior to each match to work in new shooters. Matches will not be on the same day as the orientation as I can't run an orientation, and match at the same time. If we get enough people qualified to help out, I wouldn't mind changing things around. Keep in mind that this discipline is just starting out. I hope that we get enough people interested so that we get a "discipline board of directors" who can decide how they want their activity run. I'm just the guy trying to get another place for us to shoot started up...I don't "own" this group, nor do I consider myself it's ruler...I am just the guy trying to get something started. The directors can decide how they want orientation and matches run, and decide pretty much anything to do with the group as long as it doesn't run afoul of Upper Nisqually's board of directors and what they want.
What is available on sight? Restrooms, Water, or is it a bring your own food and drink affair.
ANSWER: Restrooms, water, club house, covered range, benches. If you want anything more than tap water, then bring what you want to drink and/or eat.
Scoring will be set up to strongly favor accuracy over time. 20 points in 60 seconds will always beat 19 points in 10 seconds. The theory is that only hits count, fast noise doesn't do any good. However if there are a number of people with 20 points, the faster the time, the higher the placing. We will not use IPSC type scoring, and it is not IPSC type shooting or rules. Rules will be made available at the briefing. Use of cover is part of the discipline.
I sincerely would like to see you succeed in this endeavor. Please do not take this as me being a WISE ASS. I have been involved in FNRL for many years, and through 4 ranges. These are some of the questions that arise.
I don't take you as a wise ass at all. Your questions are very sensible and show that there is interest in this activity. If we get a group of people who want to take this over and make decisions about how to run it, I don't mind at all. I just want somewhere to shoot practical rifle at rifle distances. Some of the problems I have seen at other practical rifle matches, and have read about on the FNRL are what got me realizing that an orientation/safety briefing is needed. Plus, I'm trying to get a club that is not familiar with practical rifle to accept it. So I think that once we show that we are safe, reasonable, and not obnoxious, the club will consider expanding out our range time, how long we get ranges, which ranges we are allowed to use.
One of the big reasons I was able to get the club to allow this is that I set it up with minimal financial impact on the club. That is why competitors have to provide steel for the matches. JCSteeltargets has targets for as little as $13 each. COMPETITORS KEEP POSSESSION OF THEIR STEEL BETWEEN MATCHES, IT IS NOT DONATED TO THE GROUP. As we begin to acquire entry fee money surplus, we can buy more targets and supplies like timers, clip boards and so on. All the financial records will be available to the groups board of directors, and hopefully, we will find someone who wants to be treasurer. The board will get to decide how to spend their money because it is after all their money.
Hopefully, your questions, and my answers will get some more people interested in doing this.
Thanks for asking the questions.
4/2/2012 6:42:15 PM
Hrm, I'm used to driving 2 hours to go shoot USPSA stages with rifles at Custer, so a 90 minute drive from Seattle for a rifle oriented match might be something i'd like to do.
4/2/2012 7:29:05 PM
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I have to go to a wedding on April 21st. I want in so bad.
I have to go to a wedding on April 21st. I want in so bad.
4/2/2012 10:53:48 PM
Good on you for starting this up. What do you figure the round count at?
4/2/2012 11:32:33 PM
April 21 is no good for me, but I have an MGM IPSC Flag that you can use if someone wants to collect/return to Carnation.
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4/3/2012 11:55:42 AM
I am a member at UNSC and I am interested. I am going to read this more when I get a moment today.
We need some IPSC Pistol bays there too.
I can get targets from this Guy
They don't allow human target outlines at UNSC, but the target guy on CL will make you anything you want.
We need to propose to the board that if the NRA has a sanctioned human outline target, that the club should allow using it.
We need some IPSC Pistol bays there too.
I can get targets from this Guy
They don't allow human target outlines at UNSC, but the target guy on CL will make you anything you want.
We need to propose to the board that if the NRA has a sanctioned human outline target, that the club should allow using it.
4/3/2012 1:43:14 PM
Now that more people are shooting on steel, prices are getting really competitive. There are stands that connect re-bar for about $15 per set. Of course, you can make your own stands by cutting an 8 foot 2x4 in half, and drilling a hole through one end for a 3/4 inch pipe to go through...then just use old hose, rubber bungi chords, or just about anything to hand the target from the stands. It doesn't have to pretty or fancy to work well.
I just got a call from the range officer at Upper Nisqually last evening, and they are changing the date into May due to a range conflict...plus, they are looking for a date that will allow us to so some shooting as part of the orientation.
As soon as they lock in the new date, I'll post the information.
I just got a call from the range officer at Upper Nisqually last evening, and they are changing the date into May due to a range conflict...plus, they are looking for a date that will allow us to so some shooting as part of the orientation.
As soon as they lock in the new date, I'll post the information.
4/4/2012 1:22:40 PM
Originally Posted By Genin:
Now that more people are shooting on steel, prices are getting really competitive. There are stands that connect re-bar for about $15 per set. Of course, you can make your own stands by cutting an 8 foot 2x4 in half, and drilling a hole through one end for a 3/4 inch pipe to go through...then just use old hose, rubber bungi chords, or just about anything to hand the target from the stands. It doesn't have to pretty or fancy to work well.
I just got a call from the range officer at Upper Nisqually last evening, and they are changing the date into May due to a range conflict...plus, they are looking for a date that will allow us to so some shooting as part of the orientation.
As soon as they lock in the new date, I'll post the information.
Now that more people are shooting on steel, prices are getting really competitive. There are stands that connect re-bar for about $15 per set. Of course, you can make your own stands by cutting an 8 foot 2x4 in half, and drilling a hole through one end for a 3/4 inch pipe to go through...then just use old hose, rubber bungi chords, or just about anything to hand the target from the stands. It doesn't have to pretty or fancy to work well.
I just got a call from the range officer at Upper Nisqually last evening, and they are changing the date into May due to a range conflict...plus, they are looking for a date that will allow us to so some shooting as part of the orientation.
As soon as they lock in the new date, I'll post the information.
4/4/2012 2:29:50 PM
We have a giant safe sale in May at work, I may not be able to make it now.
4/7/2012 5:00:52 PM
I just got a call from the range officer at Upper Nisqually last evening, and they are changing the date into May due to a range conflict...plus, they are looking for a date that will allow us to so some shooting as part of the orientation.
As soon as they lock in the new date, I'll post the information.[/quote]
Thanks for the update.
Is it likely that the match days will be on Saturdays? I understand that this new date is undetermined.
The advantages of Saturday scheduling: No time conflict with other matches that are usually held on Sunday; help increase participation by including those who cannot attend on Sunday.
4/7/2012 6:21:40 PM
I already sent the range officer my request for range dates. There were 2 saturdays (1 &3) and one sunday (4) available. So, there are 2 out of 3 chances that we will get a Saturday date. I'll just be happy to get anything.
Although things are moving slowly, I would like to make sure that everyone knows I am very grateful that Upper Nisqually is even considering allowing such an activity. Many clubs are so close minded with "black rifle" activities that they just can't abide the thought that they might possibly allow dreated "assault rifles" to be used on their ranges.
But, Upper Nisqually is also one of the few clubs that allows 50 caliber rifle competition on a regular basis, so they are already showing that they are open minded, and willing to consider new and potentially controversial activities. Their willingness to consider activities like 50 caliber shooting, and practical rifle indicates (to me at least) that they are a club of open minded people, rather than ones who think "Don't bother us with facts, our minds are made up." That kind of closed minded thinking drives me up a wall..
Although things are moving slowly, I would like to make sure that everyone knows I am very grateful that Upper Nisqually is even considering allowing such an activity. Many clubs are so close minded with "black rifle" activities that they just can't abide the thought that they might possibly allow dreated "assault rifles" to be used on their ranges.
But, Upper Nisqually is also one of the few clubs that allows 50 caliber rifle competition on a regular basis, so they are already showing that they are open minded, and willing to consider new and potentially controversial activities. Their willingness to consider activities like 50 caliber shooting, and practical rifle indicates (to me at least) that they are a club of open minded people, rather than ones who think "Don't bother us with facts, our minds are made up." That kind of closed minded thinking drives me up a wall..
4/8/2012 1:29:05 PM
Thanks for all you time and effort to get this going.
4/8/2012 7:57:51 PM
03Springfield,
Thanks for the comment. I have enjoyed competitive shooting for many decades. I was disappointed to find that one of my favorite activities (outdoors, mid to long range practical rifle shooting) just wasn't very available anywhere near the Puget sound. Someone got me started shooting a long time ago, and I hope that by starting something like this up here, some of the next generation of quality rifle shooters will from this area.
Thanks for the comment. I have enjoyed competitive shooting for many decades. I was disappointed to find that one of my favorite activities (outdoors, mid to long range practical rifle shooting) just wasn't very available anywhere near the Puget sound. Someone got me started shooting a long time ago, and I hope that by starting something like this up here, some of the next generation of quality rifle shooters will from this area.
5/8/2012 5:33:47 PM
I finally got final approval to run a ten person (10) trial match on Saturday 16 June starting at 8 AM. Orientation and safety briefing will be held on Friday 15 June starting at 3 PM. The safety briefing is mandatory for all participants, and is a one time orientation.
I have three extra pieces of steel that I will be happy to loan out to the first person who claims the offer. Otherwise, everyone else needs to provide either three pieces of steel (and hangers) or one shot timer.
I'll save up questions emailed to me for a few days, then answer them all in one posting.
I have three extra pieces of steel that I will be happy to loan out to the first person who claims the offer. Otherwise, everyone else needs to provide either three pieces of steel (and hangers) or one shot timer.
I'll save up questions emailed to me for a few days, then answer them all in one posting.
5/9/2012 8:12:21 PM
I just got an offer from someone who will loan me enough steel so that I will be able to accommodate 4 shooters who don't have any steel, but would still like to shoot. I sort of suspect that those 4 spots will fill up fast, so please let me know if anyone wants one of those slots.
5/9/2012 9:08:47 PM
Putting the orientation in the middle of the afternoon on a friday puts me out for being able to go.
5/9/2012 11:40:48 PM
Once we get up and running, I would like to hold the orientation at different times so we can get more people in. Experience has shown that the orientation has to be the day before the match, otherwise many new shooters tend to forget much of what was gone over at the orientation. Maybe a Saturday orientation with a Sunday match would be an idea. Any thoughts about that idea?
5/10/2012 1:23:05 PM
The way they safety check for USPSA matches is ideal. You decide you want to get into it, find an RO at the match, and have him safety check you afterwards. He runs you on a course and you do the safety check for about 45 minutes and actually fire around 50 rounds on the course.
5/10/2012 4:14:52 PM
I'm the only "RO" so far...I'm hoping to get some participants who have done IPSC/IDPA/FNRL who would help RO people through the match.
Due to the unrealistic perceptions many people have toward black rifles, many clubs require very draconian safety rules. I don't agree with all the rules, but do believe that each club has the right to impose whatever restrictions they wish at their club.
Nisqually doesn't want people moving with loaded rifles. I don't know if they have the same rules for pistols or not. For many years, Tri-county gun club (Sherwood, Oregon) has allowed people to move with loaded rifles, and they have a thriving practical rifle program that has between 40-80 shooters per match. That club also has a certification program that is required of all new shooters because of the dynamic activities in the stages. Over time, I suspect that many of the initial fears people have toward a new discipline like this will ease up and allow us more freedom to do what other clubs have done for years. But for now, I just want to get some shooting started there.
Once the board sees that we aren't a bunch of nut cases, that we are as safe as any other discipline, and that the matches are really alot of fun, I think they will reconsider many of the initial restrictions. For now, I'm just grateful that they are willing to even consider something new. I have to keep in mind that Nisqually is one of the few clubs with an active 50 caliber program. Many other clubs have either shut down, or never started up 50 caliber programs because of perceptions (unrealistic I think) that they aren't "sporting" rifles.
Due to the unrealistic perceptions many people have toward black rifles, many clubs require very draconian safety rules. I don't agree with all the rules, but do believe that each club has the right to impose whatever restrictions they wish at their club.
Nisqually doesn't want people moving with loaded rifles. I don't know if they have the same rules for pistols or not. For many years, Tri-county gun club (Sherwood, Oregon) has allowed people to move with loaded rifles, and they have a thriving practical rifle program that has between 40-80 shooters per match. That club also has a certification program that is required of all new shooters because of the dynamic activities in the stages. Over time, I suspect that many of the initial fears people have toward a new discipline like this will ease up and allow us more freedom to do what other clubs have done for years. But for now, I just want to get some shooting started there.
Once the board sees that we aren't a bunch of nut cases, that we are as safe as any other discipline, and that the matches are really alot of fun, I think they will reconsider many of the initial restrictions. For now, I'm just grateful that they are willing to even consider something new. I have to keep in mind that Nisqually is one of the few clubs with an active 50 caliber program. Many other clubs have either shut down, or never started up 50 caliber programs because of perceptions (unrealistic I think) that they aren't "sporting" rifles.
5/13/2012 1:55:55 PM
I'm trying to figure out if it is a general lack of interest, or if it is the time slot for the orientation. I were to ask the board for an additional time slot for the orientation, which of the following would people attend?
1. Weekend time slot from 9am to 1pm.
2. Weekday time slot from 4pm to 8pm.
A tentative match description is posted on the Snipershide link up forum under the SHWW group (SnipersHide Western Washington) group.
I am not sure if this thread would be locked if I posted the entire name of the alternative forum's location. But usually, a .com will work, .org is a second choice.
1. Weekend time slot from 9am to 1pm.
2. Weekday time slot from 4pm to 8pm.
A tentative match description is posted on the Snipershide link up forum under the SHWW group (SnipersHide Western Washington) group.
I am not sure if this thread would be locked if I posted the entire name of the alternative forum's location. But usually, a .com will work, .org is a second choice.
5/14/2012 11:23:53 AM
Only day I could make an orientation is Sunday or Monday, as those are my days off.
5/15/2012 11:59:52 AM
Due to popular request, the orientation for the 16 June practical rifle match at Upper Nisqually has been changed to 6am Saturday. That way people save fuel, driving time, and can do the orientation just prior to the match.
The Board of directors has limited the match to only 10 people for the first match so they can see how it is run. If you want in, let me know. That way, people won't drive all the way out there only to find out that the slots have been filled.
Please remember to check your ammo. NO bullets with ferrous content will be allowed, so check your bullets with a magnet prior to bringing the ammo out.. We will check all ammo before starting, so make sure your ammo passes the magnet test.
The Board of directors has limited the match to only 10 people for the first match so they can see how it is run. If you want in, let me know. That way, people won't drive all the way out there only to find out that the slots have been filled.
Please remember to check your ammo. NO bullets with ferrous content will be allowed, so check your bullets with a magnet prior to bringing the ammo out.. We will check all ammo before starting, so make sure your ammo passes the magnet test.
