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ANOTHER person maned at Boeing Everett
3/20/2012 1:51:44 PM
What's going on in Everett?
I could bring up my favorite subject but dang... I hope the rumors are not true what I heard at the Renton Walmant.
I hope this guy pulls through... I would not want to be curhsed... And for sure not at work...
Dang
link
I could bring up my favorite subject but dang... I hope the rumors are not true what I heard at the Renton Walmant.
I hope this guy pulls through... I would not want to be curhsed... And for sure not at work...
Dang
link
3/21/2012 1:30:11 AM
Way to NOT give any credit to Boeing Fire till EFD showed up....
there was strong work by everyone that was involved in the extrication, and transport for that man.
there was strong work by everyone that was involved in the extrication, and transport for that man.
3/21/2012 4:48:06 AM
I was just a few stalls down from that. No one knows for sure but the news says he's in critical condition when I checked this morning. It's unfortunate but most people don't survive an encounter with a flight control surface. Those things are designed to move fast under heavy air loads, there's no room for error. We had an airman at get crushed under a C17 spoiler few years ago, he didn't stand a chance when that thing moved.
"ANOTHER person maned at Boeing Everett"
"I would not want to be curhsed"
Spanky do you always post drunk or do you have fat guy sausage fingers?
"ANOTHER person maned at Boeing Everett"
"I would not want to be curhsed"
Spanky do you always post drunk or do you have fat guy sausage fingers?
3/21/2012 11:49:53 AM
Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:
No one knows for sure but the news says he's in critical condition when I checked this morning.
No one knows for sure but the news says he's in critical condition when I checked this morning.
Someone knows
3/21/2012 11:58:54 AM
Renton is having a mandatory safety stand down at 10:45 this morning due to all the accidents up in Everett.
3/21/2012 2:24:55 PM
Originally Posted By Woodsrider:
Renton is having a mandatory safety stand down at 10:45 this morning due to all the accidents up in Everett.
Renton is having a mandatory safety stand down at 10:45 this morning due to all the accidents up in Everett.
I must have missed that
3/21/2012 3:07:29 PM
Originally Posted By usmcssgt:
I must have missed that
Originally Posted By Woodsrider:
Renton is having a mandatory safety stand down at 10:45 this morning due to all the accidents up in Everett.
Renton is having a mandatory safety stand down at 10:45 this morning due to all the accidents up in Everett.
I must have missed that
You must not work in final assy. The entire line all stood down for a presentation cascaded down from Leadership. I know all of our 1st shift heads got the information.
3/21/2012 6:52:44 PM
Yup, not in FA any more. Working on the maintenance side of the house now.
3/21/2012 11:43:10 PM
Originally Posted By usmcssgt:
Yup, not in FA any more. Working on the maintenance side of the house now.
Yup, not in FA any more. Working on the maintenance side of the house now.
Is that the left or right side...
3/21/2012 11:53:07 PM
Originally Posted By Woodsrider:
You must not work in final assy. The entire line all stood down for a presentation cascaded down from Leadership. I know all of our 1st shift heads got the information.
Originally Posted By usmcssgt:
I must have missed that
Originally Posted By Woodsrider:
Renton is having a mandatory safety stand down at 10:45 this morning due to all the accidents up in Everett.
Renton is having a mandatory safety stand down at 10:45 this morning due to all the accidents up in Everett.
I must have missed that
You must not work in final assy. The entire line all stood down for a presentation cascaded down from Leadership. I know all of our 1st shift heads got the information.
By law you are supost to have safety meetings once a month... And the union factory is large enough to have safety committees... Do you guy not have one once a month? Only after 3 people get killed or ef't up?
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=296-800-130
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=296-800-13020
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=296-800-13025
3/22/2012 9:33:41 AM
Originally Posted By spankybear:
By law you are supost to have safety meetings once a month... And the union factory is large enough to have safety committees... Do you guy not have one once a month? Only after 3 people get killed or ef't up?
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=296-800-130
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=296-800-13020
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=296-800-13025
Originally Posted By Woodsrider:
You must not work in final assy. The entire line all stood down for a presentation cascaded down from Leadership. I know all of our 1st shift heads got the information.
Originally Posted By usmcssgt:
I must have missed that
Originally Posted By Woodsrider:
Renton is having a mandatory safety stand down at 10:45 this morning due to all the accidents up in Everett.
Renton is having a mandatory safety stand down at 10:45 this morning due to all the accidents up in Everett.
I must have missed that
You must not work in final assy. The entire line all stood down for a presentation cascaded down from Leadership. I know all of our 1st shift heads got the information.
By law you are supost to have safety meetings once a month... And the union factory is large enough to have safety committees... Do you guy not have one once a month? Only after 3 people get killed or ef't up?
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=296-800-130
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=296-800-13020
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=296-800-13025
RIF A "stand down" is different than a safety meeting. Safety meeting have a set topic of the month, and training is administered, minutes are taken, action items are tracked, and attendance is rostered. A "stand down" is to reveiw recent events, remind employees of policies and proceedures, and encourage people to identify safety concerns before an accident happens. "If you see something, say something".
Safety policies, barriers, and PPE are only as good as the person that uses them. If you dont follow the Lock Out Tag Out Try out policy for instance, and you get your ass smashed between a spoiler and a wing as it was reported, your as much to blame as the guy who operated the flight control surface from inside the flight deck, with out a spotter on the ground at the wing on both sides of the plane.
3/22/2012 10:52:59 AM
well I hope this "stand down" works... even if I have never heard of a thing... Terrible thing to get fuck up at work...
3/22/2012 2:51:31 PM
Originally Posted By Woodsrider:
Safety policies, barriers, and PPE are only as good as the person that uses them. If you dont follow the Lock Out Tag Out Try out policy for instance, and you get your ass smashed between a spoiler and a wing as it was reported, your as much to blame as the guy who operated the flight control surface from inside the flight deck, with out a spotter on the ground at the wing on both sides of the plane.
Safety policies, barriers, and PPE are only as good as the person that uses them. If you dont follow the Lock Out Tag Out Try out policy for instance, and you get your ass smashed between a spoiler and a wing as it was reported, your as much to blame as the guy who operated the flight control surface from inside the flight deck, with out a spotter on the ground at the wing on both sides of the plane.
This.
Waiting for the Union to blame Boeing Management ......
3/22/2012 4:51:48 PM
Originally Posted By tangeant:
This.
Waiting for the Union to blame Boeing Management ......
Originally Posted By Woodsrider:
Safety policies, barriers, and PPE are only as good as the person that uses them. If you dont follow the Lock Out Tag Out Try out policy for instance, and you get your ass smashed between a spoiler and a wing as it was reported, your as much to blame as the guy who operated the flight control surface from inside the flight deck, with out a spotter on the ground at the wing on both sides of the plane.
Safety policies, barriers, and PPE are only as good as the person that uses them. If you dont follow the Lock Out Tag Out Try out policy for instance, and you get your ass smashed between a spoiler and a wing as it was reported, your as much to blame as the guy who operated the flight control surface from inside the flight deck, with out a spotter on the ground at the wing on both sides of the plane.
This.
Waiting for the Union to blame Boeing Management ......
I have a feeling thats exactly what Spanky is trying to do. You know how union employees are, nothing is ever thier fault, and managemant never does enough to keep people safe. Right up until one of them gets written up for not following a safety policy, then its the cry of the liberal "I didn't do nothing wrong, your just picking on me". Or "My manager never told me that I was supposed to behave differently".
3/22/2012 7:21:15 PM
I don't know why everyone demonizes every aspect of Unions. Maybe Boeing union is bad but in mine, we all take the blame for our own crap.
3/22/2012 7:30:01 PM
Originally Posted By ChirpinSquirrel:
I don't know why everyone demonizes every aspect of Unions. Maybe Boeing union is bad but in mine, we all take the blame for our own crap.
I don't know why everyone demonizes every aspect of Unions. Maybe Boeing union is bad but in mine, we all take the blame for our own crap.
When your job as a troll does not have the protection offered by the union, you have to keep up the work pace or fade into obscurity.
If Spanky gave up his one trick pony with union trolling, what would he have to post about?
3/22/2012 10:15:41 PM
Originally Posted By ChirpinSquirrel:
I don't know why everyone demonizes every aspect of Unions. Maybe Boeing union is bad but in mine, we all take the blame for our own crap.
I don't know why everyone demonizes every aspect of Unions. Maybe Boeing union is bad but in mine, we all take the blame for our own crap.
You're right I shouldn't have generalized that statement as much as I did. Although my experience with two IAM locals, the SEIU, and the Teamsters has been negative.
3/22/2012 10:20:57 PM
The modern SEIU embodies everything (IMHO) that is wrong with the idea of Unions and Unionization.
3/22/2012 11:51:05 PM
Originally Posted By Woodsrider:
I have a feeling thats exactly what Spanky is trying to do. You know how union employees are, nothing is ever thier fault, and managemant never does enough to keep people safe. Right up until one of them gets written up for not following a safety policy, then its the cry of the liberal "I didn't do nothing wrong, your just picking on me". Or "My manager never told me that I was supposed to behave differently".
Originally Posted By tangeant:
This.
Waiting for the Union to blame Boeing Management ......
Originally Posted By Woodsrider:
Safety policies, barriers, and PPE are only as good as the person that uses them. If you dont follow the Lock Out Tag Out Try out policy for instance, and you get your ass smashed between a spoiler and a wing as it was reported, your as much to blame as the guy who operated the flight control surface from inside the flight deck, with out a spotter on the ground at the wing on both sides of the plane.
Safety policies, barriers, and PPE are only as good as the person that uses them. If you dont follow the Lock Out Tag Out Try out policy for instance, and you get your ass smashed between a spoiler and a wing as it was reported, your as much to blame as the guy who operated the flight control surface from inside the flight deck, with out a spotter on the ground at the wing on both sides of the plane.
This.
Waiting for the Union to blame Boeing Management ......
I have a feeling thats exactly what Spanky is trying to do. You know how union employees are, nothing is ever thier fault, and managemant never does enough to keep people safe. Right up until one of them gets written up for not following a safety policy, then its the cry of the liberal "I didn't do nothing wrong, your just picking on me". Or "My manager never told me that I was supposed to behave differently".
I am not placeing blame on anybody... But it does sound like some procuders where not followed. I don't know as I am ony hearing rumors.
I am sure there are procedures in place to keep people safe. If the procedures was not follow well then what can I say?
With that said there is something going on that is not right. one guy burned in december, one guy pinned under a wheel in February, and now this... I don't know but all I have to say is something is not right.
3/23/2012 12:41:34 AM
With that said there is something going on that is not right. One person killed in January, one guy pinned under a wheel in February, and now this... I don't know but all I have to say is something is not right.
1 death and 2 injuries among how many employees?
3/23/2012 3:04:48 AM
Originally Posted By Madcap72:
If Spanky gave up his one trick pony with union trolling, what would he have to post about?
If Spanky gave up his one trick pony with union trolling, what would he have to post about?
He has an ongoing valid union complaint.
Look at how bad those union spelling teachers failed him.
3/23/2012 3:14:05 AM
A Boeing employee was fataly injured in January?
3/23/2012 3:14:39 AM
Originally Posted By CavVet:
He has an ongoing valid union complaint.
Look at how bad those union spelling teachers failed him.
Originally Posted By Madcap72:
If Spanky gave up his one trick pony with union trolling, what would he have to post about?
If Spanky gave up his one trick pony with union trolling, what would he have to post about?
He has an ongoing valid union complaint.
Look at how bad those union spelling teachers failed him.
*ZING*
3/23/2012 10:46:34 AM
Originally Posted By Boomer:
A Boeing employee was fataly injured in January?
A Boeing employee was fataly injured in January?
No... A contract employee... So this make it less of a deal. Ultimately Boeing is responsible and if there was a LOTO issue this rest right on Boeing.
WAC 296-803-50060
3/23/2012 10:54:44 AM
Originally Posted By Stumps:
1 death and 2 injuries among how many employees?
With that said there is something going on that is not right. One person killed in January, one guy pinned under a wheel in February, and now this... I don't know but all I have to say is something is not right.
1 death and 2 injuries among how many employees?
3 seriously injured is acceptable?
3/23/2012 11:26:10 AM
Originally Posted By spankybear:
No... A contract employee... So this make it less of a deal. Ultimately Boeing is responsible and if there was a LOTO issue this rest right on Boeing.
Originally Posted By Boomer:
A Boeing employee was fataly injured in January?
A Boeing employee was fataly injured in January?
No... A contract employee... So this make it less of a deal. Ultimately Boeing is responsible and if there was a LOTO issue this rest right on Boeing.
A Boeing contract worker was killed in January? At Everett?
3/23/2012 11:26:46 AM
Originally Posted By spankybear:
So 2 deaths and one serious injury in 3 months is acceptable at Boeing?
Originally Posted By Stumps:
1 death and 2 injuries among how many employees?
With that said there is something going on that is not right. One person killed in January, one guy pinned under a wheel in February, and now this... I don't know but all I have to say is something is not right.
1 death and 2 injuries among how many employees?
So 2 deaths and one serious injury in 3 months is acceptable at Boeing?
2 people have been killed at Boeing in the last 3 months?
3/23/2012 11:51:26 AM
I have not seen anything about deaths. Contractors or Boeing employees, can someone provide a link to a source?
3/23/2012 12:10:54 PM
Originally Posted By Woodsrider:
I have not seen anything about deaths. Contractors or Boeing employees, can someone provide a link to a source?
I have not seen anything about deaths. Contractors or Boeing employees, can someone provide a link to a source?
I thought I read that the dude that got caught up in the fire/explosion was killed
I can't find it now so what I typed is not correct and I will redact it... I also thought it was in January in reality it was December...
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2017001446_apwaboeingaccident1stldwritethru.html
3/23/2012 12:11:25 PM
Originally Posted By Woodsrider:
I have not seen anything about deaths. Contractors or Boeing employees, can someone provide a link to a source?
I have not seen anything about deaths. Contractors or Boeing employees, can someone provide a link to a source?
I thought I read that the dude that got caught up in the fire/explosion was killed
I can't find it now so what I typed is not correct and I will redact it... I also thought it was in January in reality it was December...
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2017001446_apwaboeingaccident1stldwritethru.html
3/23/2012 12:27:25 PM
My thoughts on your thinking is that I think that you thought wrong.
3/23/2012 12:32:04 PM
Originally Posted By Boomer:
My thoughts on your thinking is that I think that you thought wrong.
My thoughts on your thinking is that I think that you thought wrong.
Yes I did... AND I stand corrected. I am man enought to admit it...
And what I get for reading the comments... and thinking they are fact...
http://www.king5.com/news/cities/everett/Fire-crews-responding-to-fire-at-Boeing-Everett-plant-135456383.htm
NWdude83 said on December 12, 2011 at 5:53 PM
The person died according to my father who works for Boeing.
3/23/2012 1:00:31 PM
That will teach you to believe someone who refers to himself as "dude".
3/23/2012 1:14:04 PM
As for the string of incidents and injuries at Boeing, only time will tell if they are an ongoing trend indicative of some institutional problem or a statistical anomaly. My initial guess is that it is somewhere in the middle. My understanding is that both of the injured Boeing employees are relatively new to the company. Possible contributing factors such as training, an aggressive manufacturing schedule, pressure to get work done and airplanes delivered, fatigue from excessive overtime, etc all fall within the responsibilities of the company. Boeing has been hiring a lot of new employees and it is possible that the quality of initial training has suffered as they rush people into manufacturing. Junior employees may be tasked with greater responsibilities than those hired in previous years. There could be lax oversight. Veteran employees may not be watching out for and mentoring new employees as well as they could be. There are likely a number of factors at work here. It is almost certain that a single cause will not be indentified.
3/23/2012 5:16:56 PM
Originally Posted By Boomer:
As for the string of incidents and injuries at Boeing, only time will tell if they are an ongoing trend indicative of some institutional problem or a statistical anomaly. My initial guess is that it is somewhere in the middle. My understanding is that both of the injured Boeing employees are relatively new to the company. Possible contributing factors such as training, an aggressive manufacturing schedule, pressure to get work done and airplanes delivered, fatigue from excessive overtime, etc all fall within the responsibilities of the company. Boeing has been hiring a lot of new employees and it is possible that the quality of initial training has suffered as they rush people into manufacturing. Junior employees may be tasked with greater responsibilities than those hired in previous years. There could be lax oversight. Veteran employees may not be watching out for and mentoring new employees as well as they could be. There are likely a number of factors at work here. It is almost certain that a single cause will not be indentified.
As for the string of incidents and injuries at Boeing, only time will tell if they are an ongoing trend indicative of some institutional problem or a statistical anomaly. My initial guess is that it is somewhere in the middle. My understanding is that both of the injured Boeing employees are relatively new to the company. Possible contributing factors such as training, an aggressive manufacturing schedule, pressure to get work done and airplanes delivered, fatigue from excessive overtime, etc all fall within the responsibilities of the company. Boeing has been hiring a lot of new employees and it is possible that the quality of initial training has suffered as they rush people into manufacturing. Junior employees may be tasked with greater responsibilities than those hired in previous years. There could be lax oversight. Veteran employees may not be watching out for and mentoring new employees as well as they could be. There are likely a number of factors at work here. It is almost certain that a single cause will not be indentified.
WHAT! You mean it may be a series of things that add up to a higher than average amount of accidents that effects both unionized and non-unionized workforces?!?
