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DoberDude  [Team Member]
11/8/2011 11:22:44 PM
Results as they come in.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/home/index.html

1183: Privatize Liquor. Passed. http://today.seattletimes.com/2011/11/liquor-initiative-passes-state-out-of-liquor-business/

1125: Eyemans tolling intiative, 49 yes 51 no. Not looking good.

1163: Long term health. Passed

Seattle $60 tab fee. FAIL. 60/40. What can't these fuckheads understand about $30 tabs and not a penny more?

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CavVet  [Team Member]
11/8/2011 11:43:48 PM




DoberDude  [Team Member]
11/8/2011 11:47:42 PM

Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By DoberDude:

King County tab intiative LOST. 60/40. What can't these fuckheads understand about $30 tabs and not a penny more?



KC or Seattle?


Seattle. Sorry, my bad.
Getnlwr  [Team Member]
11/9/2011 12:18:53 AM
Wahooo! Goin' to have to get some tequila.
Coltsfan  [Member]
11/9/2011 12:36:14 AM
When can we buy cheap booze?
FridgeBrilliance  [Member]
11/9/2011 1:12:24 AM
On the initiatives passed, I have only one thing to say....

CONSERVATIVES!!!!!!!
TONIGHT.....
WE DINE......
IN OLYMPIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LCR1  [Member]
11/9/2011 2:46:56 AM
Yeah baby....Let's all git our gumbment a wee dram smaller.
DoberDude  [Team Member]
11/9/2011 11:05:20 AM
I was asking a liquor store employee last week his thoughts on 1183.

He said if it passed we will probably get a state income tax to replace the 400 million the state gets now from liquor tax.

ummm....1183 privatized it but didn't say it wouldn't be taxed.
AMESO  [Member]
11/9/2011 11:50:35 AM
The state gains 300+ million in reveune through privatization. Employee was wrong.
Scollins  [Member]
11/9/2011 12:10:15 PM
Originally Posted By AMESO:
The state gains 300+ million in reveune through privatization. Employee was wrong.


And how is that figured anyway? The assumption is buying will go up because the price may go down, thus creating more tax revenue?
DoberDude  [Team Member]
11/9/2011 12:51:30 PM

Originally Posted By AMESO:
The state gains 300+ million in reveune through privatization. Employee was wrong.


See, now that makes more sense.

I can't stand Danny Westneat but I'm gonna link this article anyhow.

He mentions the "Fees" that were part of the deal.

Looks like the state gets an assload of money from this deal. Not that it matters, they will piss it away in any case and put us further in debt.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/dannywestneat/2016720752_danny09m.html

The law voters just approved says that any private store that sells liquor must pay the state a whopping 17 percent of its liquor sales, each and every year, forever. Companies wholesaling liquor will also pay big fees.

It adds up to hundreds of millions in licensing payments for state and local governments. The state is going to make more money by getting out of the liquor business than it would have by staying in. In essence, these fees are the purchase price we, the public, got for our liquor business.

spankybear  [Team Member]
11/9/2011 1:43:36 PM
Originally Posted By DoberDude:

Originally Posted By AMESO:
The state gains 300+ million in reveune through privatization. Employee was wrong.


See, now that makes more sense.

I can't stand Danny Westneat but I'm gonna link this article anyhow.

He mentions the "Fees" that were part of the deal.

Looks like the state gets an assload of money from this deal. Not that it matters, they will piss it away in any case and put us further in debt.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/dannywestneat/2016720752_danny09m.html

The law voters just approved says that any private store that sells liquor must pay the state a whopping 17 percent of its liquor sales, each and every year, forever. Companies wholesaling liquor will also pay big fees.

It adds up to hundreds of millions in licensing payments for state and local governments. The state is going to make more money by getting out of the liquor business than it would have by staying in. In essence, these fees are the purchase price we, the public, got for our liquor business.



Pour unions

MMcCall  [Team Member]
11/9/2011 2:02:54 PM
Originally Posted By spankybear:
Originally Posted By DoberDude:

Originally Posted By AMESO:
The state gains 300+ million in reveune through privatization. Employee was wrong.


See, now that makes more sense.

I can't stand Danny Westneat but I'm gonna link this article anyhow.

He mentions the "Fees" that were part of the deal.

Looks like the state gets an assload of money from this deal. Not that it matters, they will piss it away in any case and put us further in debt.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/dannywestneat/2016720752_danny09m.html

The law voters just approved says that any private store that sells liquor must pay the state a whopping 17 percent of its liquor sales, each and every year, forever. Companies wholesaling liquor will also pay big fees.

It adds up to hundreds of millions in licensing payments for state and local governments. The state is going to make more money by getting out of the liquor business than it would have by staying in. In essence, these fees are the purchase price we, the public, got for our liquor business.



Pour unions



Unintentional grammar fail = ironic hilarity.
jonathon  [Member]
11/9/2011 2:13:09 PM
I love how Seattle is perfectly fine with tolling and loot rail but heaven forbid they get to pay $60 a year more for car tabs.
DoberDude  [Team Member]
11/9/2011 2:37:23 PM

Originally Posted By jonathon:
I love how Seattle is perfectly fine with tolling and loot rail but heaven forbid they get to pay $60 a year more for car tabs.


Good point. Spending everyones money is one thing, spending their own money is obviously another.
spankybear  [Team Member]
11/9/2011 2:42:16 PM
Originally Posted By DoberDude:

Originally Posted By jonathon:
I love how Seattle is perfectly fine with tolling and loot rail but heaven forbid they get to pay $60 a year more for car tabs.


Good point. Spending everyones money is one thing, spending their own money is obviously another.


99%
Boom_Stick  [Team Member]
11/9/2011 7:39:19 PM
Why cant they leave the damn car tab issue alone!?!? I remember when $30 car tabs passed, and ever since they've been after it, added to it through loop holes and whatnot. Fucking annoying as hell.

Glad to see I can start buying liquor or wine like the rest of America (next summer). I imagine they will tax it to make up for not having state stores. Oh well.
AMESO  [Member]
11/9/2011 7:46:46 PM

Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:
Why cant they leave the damn car tab issue alone!?!? I remember when $30 car tabs passed, and ever since they've been after it, added to it through loop holes and whatnot. Fucking annoying as hell.

Glad to see I can start buying liquor or wine like the rest of America (next summer). I imagine they will tax it to make up for not having state stores. Oh well.


State currently marks up liquor 52%. That ends with this issue. State will instead collect a 27% fee, and the distributor is free to mark it up to whatever the market will bear.
Scollins  [Member]
11/9/2011 9:28:09 PM
Originally Posted By AMESO:

Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:
Why cant they leave the damn car tab issue alone!?!? I remember when $30 car tabs passed, and ever since they've been after it, added to it through loop holes and whatnot. Fucking annoying as hell.

Glad to see I can start buying liquor or wine like the rest of America (next summer). I imagine they will tax it to make up for not having state stores. Oh well.


State currently marks up liquor 52%. That ends with this issue. State will instead collect a 27% fee, and the distributor is free to mark it up to whatever the market will bear.


Here is a Crown Royal XR example:
State liquor store out the door price is $135.95
State liquor stores mark up spirits at 51.9% plus $0.167/liter
State liquor taxes are 20.5% plus $3.7708/liter
The delivered cost of CRXR is $72.10. The state's gross profit is $63.85 on this sale.

Under the new scheme the Taxes are a convoluted mess:
15% of the retail price plus $1.72/liter, an additional 14% of that total is tacked on, then another 3.75% of the retail price is added plus another $1.33/liter.

If the retailer keeps the same retail as the liquor store (a 34.2% margin, so not unrealistic), the final price to the consumer is nearly identical. The benefit to the state is that they collect all the money without having to outlay any money for running the store. The state wins in this case.

But where is the cheap booze you guys are looking for? No where to be found. Let's say the store go with a 20% margin instead. The state's revenue drops 16%, and the retail price drops 17%. Not bad, right? But is the retailer willing to sell at 20%? When I left a large grocer 9 years ago, my blended margin requirement for alcohol was 22%. I'm sure that target is higher these days.

Anyway, I predict the prices of hard liquor will not be much lower than what you pay today. Let's check back in Nov 2012 and see. I downloaded the current price book from the LCB, so we'll have today's prices....

Boom_Stick  [Team Member]
11/9/2011 10:30:56 PM
I never imagined we'd see cheaper liquor, I knew better than that. The class 6 on either base was always about the same price, if they were cheaper it was by a dollar at most. I don't think state laws have control over the class six because in dry states you can get your alcohol any day.


Just getting the gov liquor stores closed down and liquor back into the grocery stores like a normal state, was enough for me.

DoberDude  [Team Member]
11/10/2011 12:17:22 AM

Originally Posted By Scollins:
Here is a Crown Royal XR example:
State liquor store out the door price is $135.95
State liquor stores mark up spirits at 51.9% plus $0.167/liter
State liquor taxes are 20.5% plus $3.7708/liter
The delivered cost of CRXR is $72.10. The state's gross profit is $63.85 on this sale.

Under the new scheme the Taxes are a convoluted mess:
15% of the retail price plus $1.72/liter, an additional 14% of that total is tacked on, then another 3.75% of the retail price is added plus another $1.33/liter.

If the retailer keeps the same retail as the liquor store (a 34.2% margin, so not unrealistic), the final price to the consumer is nearly identical. The benefit to the state is that they collect all the money without having to outlay any money for running the store. The state wins in this case.

But where is the cheap booze you guys are looking for? No where to be found. Let's say the store go with a 20% margin instead. The state's revenue drops 16%, and the retail price drops 17%. Not bad, right? But is the retailer willing to sell at 20%? When I left a large grocer 9 years ago, my blended margin requirement for alcohol was 22%. I'm sure that target is higher these days.

Anyway, I predict the prices of hard liquor will not be much lower than what you pay today. Let's check back in Nov 2012 and see. I downloaded the current price book from the LCB, so we'll have today's prices....



You're gonna give spanky a stroke.

He can't even spell, you expect him to understand your math?

maxpower762  [Member]
11/10/2011 2:28:14 AM
That is freaking awsome! the state shouldnt control how and where I buy my whiskey!
Been away for a while and looks like some things are changing for the better.....SBRs a possibility I can buy whiskey at a kwiiki mart...
now what this shite I am hearing about the viaduct comming down and war on cars?
sounds like a Simpsons episode
tell me it is not true
Sure I could check the news, but this forum has better boots on the ground intell.

regards
from that other side of the world
spankybear  [Team Member]
11/10/2011 3:04:25 AM
Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:
Glad to see I can start buying liquor or wine like the rest of America (next summer). I imagine they will tax it to make up for not having state stores. Oh well.



Are you saying you are happy that the union state workers are going to loose thire jobs? And places like non-union Walmart can sell liquor now?

Boom_Stick  [Team Member]
11/10/2011 5:02:46 AM
Originally Posted By spankybear:
Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:
Glad to see I can start buying liquor or wine like the rest of America (next summer). I imagine they will tax it to make up for not having state stores. Oh well.

Are you saying you are happy that the union state workers are going to loose thire jobs? And places like non-union Walmart can sell liquor now?



gunnut003  [Team Member]
11/10/2011 5:26:37 PM
I know this is a 1183 thread... but the 1163 result is the gay. They are already requiring background checks for 11 year olds that may enter the home as it is. Heck might as well just send in a background for the 5 year olds. I know we have.

Well, As long as the state pays for the education, since they have so much surplus, I guess its OK.

I wonder what started this whole whopla.
migradog  [Moderator]
11/10/2011 6:05:56 PM
This is why I'm happy to live in Lynden and buy my booze at the duty free store.
munkalido  [Member]
11/10/2011 7:41:20 PM
All I want to know is: will my mule train from Fulsom, CA. Costco be trumped by a shorter mule train from Vancouver, WA. Costco??

In any case, it's a win for WA. to have a bit less gov't. in their lives.
ZeroZero  [Team Member]
11/10/2011 11:09:54 PM
Originally Posted By CavVet:






QFT.
Ranger689  [Member]
11/11/2011 1:29:27 AM
Fireworks are now outlawed in Olympia
R-32  [Member]
11/11/2011 2:26:12 AM
Originally Posted By Ranger689:
Fireworks are now outlawed in Olympia


I hear they have a new mayor with ties to this board....
Woodsrider  [Team Member]
11/12/2011 1:44:27 PM
Originally Posted By DoberDude:
Results as they come in.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/home/index.html

1183: Privatize Liquor. Passed. http://today.seattletimes.com/2011/11/liquor-initiative-passes-state-out-of-liquor-business/

1125: Eyemans tolling intiative, 49 yes 51 no. Not looking good.

1163: Long term health. Passed

Seattle $60 tab fee. FAIL. 60/40. What can't these fuckheads understand about $30 tabs and not a penny more?



Where can I get tabs for $30?

DoberDude  [Team Member]
11/12/2011 1:48:51 PM

Originally Posted By Woodsrider:
Originally Posted By DoberDude:
Results as they come in.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/home/index.html

1183: Privatize Liquor. Passed. http://today.seattletimes.com/2011/11/liquor-initiative-passes-state-out-of-liquor-business/

1125: Eyemans tolling intiative, 49 yes 51 no. Not looking good.

1163: Long term health. Passed

Seattle $60 tab fee. FAIL. 60/40. What can't these fuckheads understand about $30 tabs and not a penny more?



Where can I get tabs for $30?



Ya can't.
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