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Teleportgrend  [Team Member]
3/2/2008 10:29:23 AM
I tried to locate information on Washington State's stance concerning hi-cap magazines while rifle hunting. All I could find was stuff concerning shotguns and plugs...

Anyone know if there's a magazine capacity law in our fine state?
Phil_in_Seattle  [Moderator]
3/2/2008 10:38:39 AM
There isn't a rifle magazine capacity restriction for big or small game.
Teleportgrend  [Team Member]
3/2/2008 10:50:30 AM

Originally Posted By Phil_in_Seattle:
There isn't a rifle magazine capacity restriction for big or small game.
Mucho gracias!

ThomasH  [Team Member]
3/2/2008 12:06:51 PM
Hmm, I could have sworn that the mag capacity for big game was 3+1, and there was no limit for small game (varmit)
Phil_in_Seattle  [Moderator]
3/2/2008 12:15:28 PM

Originally Posted By ThomasH:
Hmm, I could have sworn that the mag capacity for big game was 3+1, and there was no limit for small game (varmit)



Have at it.
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1GUNRUNNER  [Team Member]
3/2/2008 12:23:48 PM

Originally Posted By ThomasH:
Hmm, I could have sworn that the mag capacity for big game was 3+1, and there was no limit for small game (varmit)


Been hottly debated for years...Like PIS says, find it.
fishkiller98579  [Member]
3/2/2008 1:27:59 PM

Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER:

Originally Posted By ThomasH:
Hmm, I could have sworn that the mag capacity for big game was 3+1, and there was no limit for small game (varmit)


Been hottly debated for years...Like PIS says, find it.


I thought I read somewhere that it was 5, but I havent been able to find it since.
YOPD  [Team Member]
3/2/2008 3:30:45 PM
I have found the information you are looking for in the booklet you can pick up at BiMart, Sportsmen's Whorehouse, etc., with the seasons and rules in it. I downloaded the booklet in PDF, searched for the word "magazine", and found nothing. It was in there for previous printings.

You may want to call the Vancouver WA DFW office to make sure about any questions you have before you run out and do something that gets you in trouble.
support_six  [Member]
3/2/2008 3:56:53 PM
Last year when I thought I might want to hunt deer with my M1 Garand, and since there are no really good, dependable, 5 round enbloc clips, I called the fish and game guys and asked the question. They told me there is no restriction on magazine capacity. The 8 round enblocs are legal. I didn't ask about my 20 & 30 round mags for my AR15s but was told "no capacity constraints" so I believe them.
fishkiller98579  [Member]
3/2/2008 4:04:30 PM

Originally Posted By support_six:
Last year when I thought I might want to hunt deer with my M1 Garand, and since there are no really good, dependable, 5 round enbloc clips



Like These?
Teleportgrend  [Team Member]
3/2/2008 4:13:44 PM

Originally Posted By YOPD:

You may want to call the Vancouver WA DFW office to make sure about any questions you have before you run out and do something that gets you in trouble.
I may do just that!

I searched the site Phil posted earlier today. Couldn't find a dang thing about capacity.
Kooter  [Team Member]
3/2/2008 5:08:18 PM

Originally Posted By YOPD:
I have found the information you are looking for in the booklet you can pick up at BiMart, Sportsmen's Whorehouse, etc., with the seasons and rules in it. I downloaded the booklet in PDF, searched for the word "magazine", and found nothing. It was in there for previous printings.

You may want to call the Vancouver WA DFW office to make sure about any questions you have before you run out and do something that gets you in trouble.


I've looked all over the last couple Hunting reg booklets and have never been able to find anything regarding mag limits.
YOPD  [Team Member]
3/2/2008 8:11:01 PM

Originally Posted By Teleportgrend:
I searched the site Phil posted earlier today. Couldn't find a dang thing about capacity.

Well, if it's gone, I can say with complete confidence that at one time, there definitely was a mag cap for hunting big game.
Dinothewap  [Team Member]
3/2/2008 8:35:38 PM
Used to be 5, if you need more than that mabe hunting is not something that you are good at.
Teleportgrend  [Team Member]
3/2/2008 8:42:46 PM

Originally Posted By Dinothewap:
Used to be 5, if you need more than that mabe hunting is not something that you are good at.


I just liked the idea of hunting with my AR this year....and was trying to avoid having to buy any more magazines.
Dinothewap  [Team Member]
3/2/2008 8:45:45 PM

Originally Posted By Teleportgrend:

Originally Posted By Dinothewap:
Used to be 5, if you need more than that mabe hunting is not something that you are good at.


I just liked the idea of hunting with my AR this year....and was trying to avoid having to buy any more magazines.


I will send you a 5 round mag for your AR if you like. I have several.
Teleportgrend  [Team Member]
3/2/2008 9:29:02 PM

Originally Posted By Dinothewap:

I will send you a 5 round mag for your AR if you like. I have several.
I appriciate the offer, but I'm talking 6.8 SPC mags. I had two small cap magazines, but they were not feeding correctly. C-Products exchanged them both for free, but sent 25 rounders in return. I really can't complain.

I'll consider picking up a low-cap before next deer season, and maybe they'll have the bugs worked out by then (maybe they have the bugs worked out already).
Stumps  [Team Member]
3/2/2008 11:11:21 PM
The only hunting regulations in this state regarding magazine capacity have to do with shotguns and bird hunting. If hunting with an AR it may be a better idea to use a short mag. While there is no law against hunting with a high cap mag it tends to piss off other hunters and liberals alike.
JAFO  [Team Member]
3/3/2008 12:48:10 AM

Originally Posted By YOPD:

Originally Posted By Teleportgrend:
I searched the site Phil posted earlier today. Couldn't find a dang thing about capacity.

Well, if it's gone, I can say with complete confidence that at one time, there definitely was a mag cap for hunting big game.


I've heard that before. It wasn't in there in 1996-1998 nor the past few times it was brought up in this forum. Not sure about before that or in between those times.
Matt45  [Team Member]
3/3/2008 12:49:31 AM
Are you guys thinking of deer hunting? As opposed to coyote hunting, there IS a min caliber restriction.


Copied from the 07 regs-


Modern Firearm Regulations
Rifles—Elk, deer, and bear may be
hunted with a minimum of 24 caliber
(6mm) centerfire rifle. Cougar may
be hunted with 22 caliber centerfire
rifle. Rimfire rifles are not legal.
Handguns must have minimum barrel
length of 4 inches per manufacturers
specification, and fire a minimum
24 caliber centerfire cartridge.

Shotguns—Deer, bear, and cougar
may be hunted with 20 gauge to 10
gauge shotguns shooting slugs or #1
or larger buckshot. Other big game
may be hunted with a 10 or 12 gauge
shotgun using slugs.


Additionally- for those that pack a .22 to dispatch game-


4. Dispatching wounded game
A hunter can only use a hunting
method that meets the equipment
requirements of his/her tag to
dispatch wounded game.



This was brought up in another thread, not the RCW, but close enough verbage.


5. Loaded firearms in a vehicle
It is illegal to carry, convey, transport,
possess, or control a loaded shotgun
or rifle in or on any motor vehicle. A
rifle or shotgun containing shells or
cartridges in either the chamber or
magazine, or a muzzleloading firearm
that is loaded and capped or primed
is considered loaded.



Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER:

Originally Posted By ThomasH:
Hmm, I could have sworn that the mag capacity for big game was 3+1, and there was no limit for small game (varmit)


Been hottly debated for years...Like PIS says, find it.



Here's the three round rule, and a few others.

10. Prohibited firearms/hunting methods
It is illegal to:
a. Hunt game birds with a shotgun
capable of holding more than three
shells.
I assume this to mean, TWO in the magazine tube, ONE in the pipe for a total of THREE shells?
b. Hunt game birds with a rifle or pistol,
except forest grouse.
c. Hunt game birds or game animals
with anything other than a firearm, a
bow and arrow, or by falconry.
Bullfrogs may only be taken by
angling, hand dip netting, gigging,
and bow & arrow.
d. Hunt game animals or game birds
with a shotgun larger than 10 gauge.
e. Hunt wildlife with a crossbow except
for hunters with disabilities with
archery special use permits in compliance
with WAC 232-12-054.
f. Hunt wildlife with a fully automatic
firearm.


Now......50BMG is smaller than 10Ga, isn't it?
Getnlwr  [Team Member]
3/3/2008 1:21:13 AM

Originally Posted By Dinothewap:

Originally Posted By Teleportgrend:

Originally Posted By Dinothewap:
Used to be 5, if you need more than that mabe hunting is not something that you are good at.


I just liked the idea of hunting with my AR this year....and was trying to avoid having to buy any more magazines.


I will send you a 5 round mag for your AR if you like. I have several.


I'd be more than willing to take those from you.......

Kooter  [Team Member]
3/3/2008 2:51:18 AM

Originally Posted By Matt45:

Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER:

Originally Posted By ThomasH:
Hmm, I could have sworn that the mag capacity for big game was 3+1, and there was no limit for small game (varmit)


Been hottly debated for years...Like PIS says, find it.



Here's the three round rule, and a few others.

10. Prohibited firearms/hunting methods
It is illegal to:
a. Hunt game birds with a shotgun
capable of holding more than three
shells.
I assume this to mean, TWO in the magazine tube, ONE in the pipe for a total of THREE shells?
b. Hunt game birds with a rifle or pistol,
except forest grouse.
c. Hunt game birds or game animals
with anything other than a firearm, a
bow and arrow, or by falconry.
Bullfrogs may only be taken by
angling, hand dip netting, gigging,
and bow & arrow.
d. Hunt game animals or game birds
with a shotgun larger than 10 gauge.
e. Hunt wildlife with a crossbow except
for hunters with disabilities with
archery special use permits in compliance
with WAC 232-12-054.
f. Hunt wildlife with a fully automatic
firearm.


Now......50BMG is smaller than 10Ga, isn't it?


The 3 round rule is for shotguns and game birds. Hunting other species with a shotugn and there is no mag capacity limit

There is no mag capacity limit on rounds for rifle hunting.
support_six  [Member]
3/3/2008 8:11:19 PM

Originally Posted By fishkiller98579:

Originally Posted By support_six:
Last year when I thought I might want to hunt deer with my M1 Garand, and since there are no really good, dependable, 5 round enbloc clips



Like These?


Yup, I know they exist but never found a dependable one like my standard 8 round clips. There are also two and one round clips but those are not dependable either.
Kooter  [Team Member]
3/3/2008 8:33:09 PM

Originally Posted By support_six:

Originally Posted By fishkiller98579:

Originally Posted By support_six:
Last year when I thought I might want to hunt deer with my M1 Garand, and since there are no really good, dependable, 5 round enbloc clips



Like These?


Yup, I know they exist but never found a dependable one like my standard 8 round clips. There are also two and one round clips but those are not dependable either.


How can a 1 round clip not be dependable?
stevemc  [Team Member]
3/3/2008 10:34:03 PM
Yep there used to be a 5+1 magazine restriction, but just like the handgun caliber restrictions, they are no more.

I too am very much considering getting a 6.8spc setup and hunting with it, i'll have to catch up with teleportgrend and try his out.......




It's funny how we went from severely restricted handgun calibers and power levels to now being able to legally hunt with a 4" .25acp. I guess at least now it is up to the individual hunter to know what he and his weapon are capable of.
Procyon  [Team Member]
3/3/2008 10:39:59 PM

Originally Posted By Kooter:

Originally Posted By Matt45:

Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER:

Originally Posted By ThomasH:
Hmm, I could have sworn that the mag capacity for big game was 3+1, and there was no limit for small game (varmit)


Been hottly debated for years...Like PIS says, find it.



Here's the three round rule, and a few others.

10. Prohibited firearms/hunting methods
It is illegal to:
a. Hunt game birds with a shotgun
capable of holding more than three
shells.
I assume this to mean, TWO in the magazine tube, ONE in the pipe for a total of THREE shells?
b. Hunt game birds with a rifle or pistol,
except forest grouse.
c. Hunt game birds or game animals
with anything other than a firearm, a
bow and arrow, or by falconry.
Bullfrogs may only be taken by
angling, hand dip netting, gigging,
and bow & arrow.
d. Hunt game animals or game birds
with a shotgun larger than 10 gauge.
e. Hunt wildlife with a crossbow except
for hunters with disabilities with
archery special use permits in compliance
with WAC 232-12-054.
f. Hunt wildlife with a fully automatic
firearm.


Now......50BMG is smaller than 10Ga, isn't it?


The 3 round rule is for shotguns and game birds. Hunting other species with a shotugn and there is no mag capacity limit

There is no mag capacity limit on rounds for rifle hunting.


SWEET! I'm getting a 100 round drum for hunting season!
AMESO  [Member]
3/3/2008 11:12:57 PM
While there are a number of items missing from the WDFW's latest version of their web pages, the rules are still in effect. Minimum caliber for deer from a rifle is .243/6MM developing a minimum of 1,000 ft/lbs of energy at 100 yards. Minimum round from a revolver = .41 Mag, from a semi auto pistol = 10MM. T/C Contender = .357 Mag. Wildcats need to meet these power levels, so the 6.8 SPC is fine on multiple counts.

This last year's hunter ed pamphlets have the information above. You gotta dig, but that info is still out there.

Mag capacity has gone by the wayside, since there was no way to limit tubular mag capacities of lever guns shooting acceptable rounds like the .357 Mag, .44 Mag, .454 Casull, and .45 LC.

I just purchased a few 5 and 10 and 20 round AR mags for my .458 Socom, as they make 2, 5, and 7 rounders for that gun. TG, you should choose that instead of your 6.8 if you are hunting the wet side.

Can't use the .25 acp, except for grouse, but I'm sure you were joking.
Teleportgrend  [Team Member]
3/3/2008 11:24:54 PM

Originally Posted By AMESO:
I just purchased a few 5 and 10 and 20 round AR mags for my .458 Socom, as they make 2, 5, and 7 rounders for that gun. TG, you should choose that instead of your 6.8 if you are hunting the wet side.
I appreciate that. I've never hunted the wet side successfully. Too many people driving around on opening morning. If you were hunting in the Klickatat would you still recommend the .458 over the 6.8?

I'm starting to feel like I should just stick with my .7mm Rem mag.

Naw...I'll grab a lower cap magazine, to help keep any F&G folks from having to research current laws while I wait.
stevemc  [Team Member]
3/3/2008 11:42:25 PM

Originally Posted By AMESO:
Minimum caliber for deer from a rifle is .243/6MM developing a minimum of 1,000 ft/lbs of energy at 100 yards. Minimum round from a revolver = .41 Mag, from a semi auto pistol = 10MM. T/C Contender = .357 Mag.

Can't use the .25 acp, except for grouse, but I'm sure you were joking.


Unless this is something new and you have insider info, I'm going to have to call BS on anything you say regarding the handgun calibers.

I believe in the past this may have been true, but that changed 5-10 years ago and has never been reinstated.

From the 2007 Washington Big Game Regs:

"Handguns must have minimum barrel length of 4 inches per manufacturers specification, and fire a minimum .24 caliber centerfire cartridge."

Therefore a 4" factory .25acp is legal for big game hunting in Washington. Now, i'll be the first to admit it should not be used, but the rules are the rules.
stevemc  [Team Member]
3/3/2008 11:45:44 PM

Originally Posted By Teleportgrend:

Originally Posted By AMESO:
I just purchased a few 5 and 10 and 20 round AR mags for my .458 Socom, as they make 2, 5, and 7 rounders for that gun. TG, you should choose that instead of your 6.8 if you are hunting the wet side.
I appreciate that. I've never hunted the wet side successfully. Too many people driving around on opening morning. If you were hunting in the Klickatat would you still recommend the .458 over the 6.8?

I'm starting to feel like I should just stick with my .7mm Rem mag.

Naw...I'll grab a lower cap magazine, to help keep any F&G folks from having to research current laws while I wait.


I'd stick with the 6.8spc, for over on the dry side of the state. You may very well want to shoot out to 300yds and IMHO the 6.8spc beats the .458 at that distance. I've considered hunting with my .45/70, but feel limited to 200 yards max.
Mike_in_Seattle  [Team Member]
3/4/2008 7:24:19 AM
I searched thru the regs many times, and there are NO mag capacity limits for Rifle.

For deer season, I carried my FAL, last year, and was in a "no vehicles" area, when I heard tires crunching behind me,, looked around to see a pickup coming up the road.

I started getting pissed, cuz I was doing the work of walking, and here was some dumbass in a truck.

When they came alongside, it was the game warden, looking for quad/motorcycle riders to bust.

When he found out I had other guys in my party, up ahead of me, he said "I'll turn around & leave now, and by the way, I should card you"

So I showed my license, he said "Good Luck", turned around and left,

, and never said one word about the 20 rounder in my FAL.

AMESO  [Member]
3/4/2008 10:25:04 AM
Not every regulation is in the hunting regs, believe it or not. Been through hunter ed 5 times if you include Advanced Hunter Education for my Master Hunter certificate. I took two nephews and my two boys through the hunter ed classes over the year, and took it along side of them. Most recently this past summer. The information I am stating is in the current version hunter ed guide. So if that is insider info, then so be it.

I forgot, you can also hunt rabbits with your pea shooter.

1GUNRUNNER  [Team Member]
3/4/2008 10:29:36 AM
I believe SteveMc's info to be correct.
stevemc  [Team Member]
3/4/2008 2:31:35 PM

Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER:
I believe SteveMc's info to be correct.




It's in the regs, so I'm safe.