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GENESMITH  [Life Member]
10/11/2009 6:38:30 PM EST
Looks like I may be coming to PA for work.

I was curious what is required to purchase handguns and rifles in your fine state.

Is there a waiting period for handguns?



Thank you,


Gene

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damcv62  [Team Member]
10/11/2009 7:15:27 PM EST
No waiting period on guns, but you'll need a PA issued ID(usually drivers lic) to buy a hand gun. Long guns you can get with your Tx DL, no waiting on those either. Even buying from a private person (not a gun shop) you'll have to take it to a gun shop to have it transfered, so again, will need a Pa ID.
GENESMITH  [Life Member]
10/11/2009 7:54:03 PM EST
Thank you.


Guess I'll look into a state ID if and when I get there.
AKsRule  [Team Member]
10/12/2009 4:51:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By GENESMITH:
Looks like I may be coming to PA for work.

I was curious what is required to purchase handguns and rifles in your fine state.

Is there a waiting period for handguns?
Thank you,
Gene


You can purchase and possess any Long gun (rifle ,shotgun) here in PA just like you do in Texas.
You must be a RESIDENT to purchase a Handgun (unless the FFL ships it to your home state ) and every Handgun sale must include an Instant background check.

BUT**************

There is no waiting period or license to merely Possess a Handgun.
AND
PA has FULL Reciprocity with TEXAS for Concealed Carry of Handguns -

So if you have handguns and rifles already you can bring them here - and if you have a Texas carry license you are good to
go for that also.
GENESMITH  [Life Member]
10/12/2009 7:00:51 AM EST
Thanks for the additional info.

After I found out I may be going there, the first thing I did was look of the reciprocity for TX / PA.


If we end up driving there, I'll bring along an AR and a pistol. If they fly us out there, then it will just be a pistol and I'll look into buying something else there.

My only problem is having an address there. I imagine I'll need something with my name on it in order to get a PA id card or some sort. But I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.


Thanks again,


Gene
shrikefan  [Team Member]
10/13/2009 4:24:58 PM EST
How long are you staying?
hipwr223  [Team Member]
10/13/2009 4:35:15 PM EST
you need to show 90 days of residency to buy handguns and Pa must be considered your "state of residence"
PA452  [Team Member]
10/13/2009 4:46:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By damcv62:
No waiting period on guns, but you'll need a PA issued ID(usually drivers lic) to buy a hand gun. Long guns you can get with your Tx DL, no waiting on those either. Even buying from a private person (not a gun shop) you'll have to take it to a gun shop to have it transfered, so again, will need a Pa ID.


One caveat there is that long guns do not need to be transferred at an FFL in PA for a private sale between two PA residents. However, both do have to be PA residents, and personally if I'm engaging in a transaction I'm going to ask for a PA ID, and I hope anyone else would too.
GENESMITH  [Life Member]
10/13/2009 5:52:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By shrikefan:
How long are you staying?


That part is still up in the air. (waiting on a call for a new job)

Not sure if this is something I'll end up commuting back and forth for, or if I'll end up moving out there.

GENESMITH  [Life Member]
10/13/2009 5:57:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By hipwr223:
you need to show 90 days of residency to buy handguns and Pa must be considered your "state of residence"




I figured it was something like that.

The easiest option may be to have them shipped back to my dealer here locally.


I don't have any plans right to buy anything, but....... you never know.


Anytime I'm presented with a good deal, I usually can't pass it up.
GENESMITH  [Life Member]
10/13/2009 5:59:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By PA452:
Originally Posted By damcv62:
No waiting period on guns, but you'll need a PA issued ID(usually drivers lic) to buy a hand gun. Long guns you can get with your Tx DL, no waiting on those either. Even buying from a private person (not a gun shop) you'll have to take it to a gun shop to have it transfered, so again, will need a Pa ID.


One caveat there is that long guns do not need to be transferred at an FFL in PA for a private sale between two PA residents. However, both do have to be PA residents, and personally if I'm engaging in a transaction I'm going to ask for a PA ID, and I hope anyone else would too.




Thank you.


I appreciate all the info guy.


Gene
GiggleSmith  [Team Member]
10/14/2009 3:35:35 PM EST
Bring in some bills with your name on it.
That qualifies.

We also get to shoot machine guns here too.
InfiniteGrim  [Member]
10/14/2009 6:06:31 PM EST
Make sure to bring an out of state drivers license along that will last a few more years, you'll need one to buy good fireworks!
Schlange  [Team Member]
10/14/2009 11:46:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By GENESMITH:
Originally Posted By hipwr223:
you need to show 90 days of residency to buy handguns and Pa must be considered your "state of residence"







I don't have any plans right to buy anything, but....... you never know.



Thats when I usually end up getting something.
rkbar15  [Team Member]
10/17/2009 3:06:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By hipwr223:

you need to show 90 days of residency to buy handguns


I'm considering moving to PA and I've never heard that. Since it's not a Federal law do you have a link to the state law. TIA
rkbar15  [Team Member]
10/17/2009 3:18:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By AKsRule:

PA has FULL Reciprocity with TEXAS for Concealed Carry of Handguns -

So if you have handguns and rifles already you can bring them here - and if you have a Texas carry license you are good to
go for that also.

At what point does PA consider you a resident and require you to get a PA driver license and register your vehicles in PA?

Once you're considered a PA resident is your non-resident license from a reciprocal state still valid for CCW in PA?

TIA


hipwr223  [Team Member]
10/19/2009 1:40:56 PM EST
This is from the GCA 1968 and I have always felt it was a little vague with regard to US citizens. However the PICS system has held required the same proof of 90 day residency when dealing with new Pa Residents moving from another state.

State of residence. The State in which an individual regularly resides, or maintains a home, or if such person is on active duty as a member of the United States Armed Forces, the State in which the person's permanent duty station is located: Provided, That an alien who is legally in the United States shall be considered to be a resident of the State in which (a) the alien is residing or has so resided for a period of at least 90 days prior to the date of sale or delivery of a firearm, or (b) the alien's embassy or consulate is located if the principal officer of such embassy or consulate issues a written statement to such alien authorizing the alien to acquire a firearm. Temporary stay in a State does not make the State of temporary stay the State of residence.


Example 1. 'A' maintains a home in State 'X'. 'A' travels to State 'Y' on a hunting, fishing, business or other type of trip. 'A' does not become a resident of State 'Y' by reason of such trip.


Example 2. 'A' maintains a home in State 'X' and a home in State 'Y'. 'A' resides in State 'X' except for weekends or the summer months of the year and in State 'Y' for the weekends or the summer months of the year. During the time that 'A' actually resides in State 'X', 'A' is a resident of State 'X', and during the time that 'A' actually resides in State 'Y', 'A' is a resident of State 'Y'.


Example 3. 'A' is a member of the Armed Forces whose permanent duty station is located in State 'X'. However, 'A' actually resides and maintains a home in State Y and commutes daily to the permanent duty station in State 'X' to perform military duties. 'A' is a resident of both State 'X' and State 'Y' at the same time.

I suppose one could maintain a property in PA year round and have the utility bills to back it up then apply for a PA non driver ID. It would be touchy with the PA NICS system I would think;



AKsRule  [Team Member]
10/19/2009 3:36:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By rkbar15:

Originally Posted By AKsRule:

PA has FULL Reciprocity with TEXAS for Concealed Carry of Handguns -

So if you have handguns and rifles already you can bring them here - and if you have a Texas carry license you are good to
go for that also.

At what point does PA consider you a resident and require you to get a PA driver license and register your vehicles in PA?

Once you're considered a PA resident is your non-resident license from a reciprocal state still valid for CCW in PA?

TIA





http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/new_residents/driver_license.shtml

"All new residents with out-of-state non-commercial driver's licenses must obtain a PA Driver’s License within 60 days of establishing Pennsylvania residency. To apply, you must appear in person at one of our Driver License Centers. You will be required to surrender your out-of-state driver’s license (valid or expired six months or less) before PennDOT can issue you a PA Driver's License. You will need to take a vision-screening test and complete Form DL-180R “Application for Pennsylvania Non-Commercial Driver’s License By Out-of-State Non-CDL Driver.” In addition, you will need to show proof of identification and residency and your Social Security card. Please visit our fees page for information on the fee for the product you will be requesting."

From my own personal experience - there is no waiting period to buy a handgun once you have photo ID.

PA is a SHALL ISSUE state for carry licenses so I advise applying as soon as you have a DL and a permanent address

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rkbar15  [Team Member]
10/20/2009 5:00:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By hipwr223:

This is from the GCA 1968 and I have always felt it was a little vague with regard to US citizens. However the PICS system has held required the same proof of 90 day residency when dealing with new Pa Residents moving from another state.


The 90 day state residency required to transfer a gun by federal law only applies to resident aliens. There is no such state residency requirement at the federal level for U.S. citizens. If PA has a 90 day residency requirement for new residents that really sucks.
rgaper  [Team Member]
10/20/2009 7:09:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By rkbar15:

Originally Posted By hipwr223:

This is from the GCA 1968 and I have always felt it was a little vague with regard to US citizens. However the PICS system has held required the same proof of 90 day residency when dealing with new Pa Residents moving from another state.


The 90 day state residency required to transfer a gun by federal law only applies to resident aliens. There is no such state residency requirement at the federal level for U.S. citizens. If PA has a 90 day residency requirement for new residents that really sucks.

PA does not have a residency requirement for new residents. The 90 day residency requirement through PICS is actually the Federal level that you described for resident aliens. (green card holders)

There are residency requirements for getting things like in-state tuition, etc., but not for purchasing firearms.




rkbar15  [Team Member]
10/20/2009 9:03:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By rgaper:

PA does not have a residency requirement for new residents. The 90 day residency requirement through PICS is actually the Federal level that you described for resident aliens. (green card holders)

There are residency requirements for getting things like in-state tuition, etc., but not for purchasing firearms.

Thanks. I've never heard of the 90 day residency requirement in PA or any other state for that matter.
hipwr223  [Team Member]
10/21/2009 10:43:33 AM EST
All I can tell you is that the PICS system has held up transfers and sales to persons that have moved into PA and have not been able to prove residence. Whether it is right or wrong I have dealt with it. But then again this is the same state that is making us handle lowers like they are handguns so nothing surprises me.
hipwr223  [Team Member]
10/21/2009 10:52:59 AM EST
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rgaper  [Team Member]
10/21/2009 11:57:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By hipwr223:
All I can tell you is that the PICS system has held up transfers and sales to persons that have moved into PA and have not been able to prove residence. Whether it is right or wrong I have dealt with it. But then again this is the same state that is making us handle lowers like they are handguns so nothing surprises me.


I'm not arguing with you, but... One of the requirements to obtaining a PA Driver's License is to prove residency. If you've got a PA Driver's License, you're a PA resident. Period.

If PICS is holding up the sale as "pending" it may just be due to the PA DL not being in the system yet. In other words, someone comes right from the Photo License Center to a gun shop. Dunno...

I've had my own crazy run-ins with the PICS system, so anything is possible.
hipwr223  [Team Member]
10/21/2009 1:20:17 PM EST
could very well be that the new Pa License has not entered into whatever database the PICS system uses. Its nice to think that all thing electronic happen right away but I could see that somehow PA screws that up too.
AKsRule  [Team Member]
10/21/2009 2:08:30 PM EST


Originally Posted By hipwr223:
could very well be that the new Pa License has not entered into whatever database the PICS system uses. Its nice to think that all thing electronic happen right away but I could see that somehow PA screws that up too.

The Drivers license is only used to Prove IDENTITY and Residence of the buyer to the FFL .

You can buy a gun WITHOUT a DL as long as you have other photo ID AND proof of residence.
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PA check info PICS</a>


"The PICS was implemented on July 1, 1998. This state of the art system provides instant access to background records on an individual to determine if the person is eligible to acquire a firearm or a license to carry a firearm. The Instant Check Unit is a call center conducting the background check requests. This responsibility requires ensuring accurate identification of the subject of the background check, evaluation and research of federal, state and local records, comprehensive documentation, and maintaining positive communication with Firearm Dealers and Sheriffs.

Pennsylvania Firearm Dealers and County Sheriffs access the PICS program through a toll free telephone number, which is available for service from 8:00 a.m. until 10:00 p.m. seven days a week, including holidays. If an individual is eligible to acquire a firearm, the PICS background check replaces the former, mandatory five-day waiting period. Operation has shown that approximately 60% of the individuals attempting to purchase a firearm are approved within minutes.


The PICS background check program issues approval or denial determinations. By law, no record information may be disseminated as a result of the background check. If a record is identified on an individual's background check, the call is transferred to an operator. The operator then reviews the record, and if it is not prohibiting, approves the sale. If there is a question as to whether or not the record is prohibiting, the operator may place the file in research for up to 15 days. As soon as the operator has a definite answer, the dealer is called and either given an approval number or advised that the sale is denied and the individual should be given a Pennsylvania Instant Check Challenge Form."

Federal NICS info–––––––– NICS




rkbar15  [Team Member]
10/21/2009 2:32:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By AKsRule:


Originally Posted By hipwr223:
could very well be that the new Pa License has not entered into whatever database the PICS system uses. Its nice to think that all thing electronic happen right away but I could see that somehow PA screws that up too.

The Drivers license is only used to Prove IDENTITY and Residence of the buyer to the FFL .

You can buy a gun WITHOUT a DL as long as you have other photo ID AND proof of residence.




+1 In addition if you're transferring a rifle/shotgun you aren't required to be a PA resident. Are these 90 day residency flags in PICS only for handgun transfers?

hipwr223  [Team Member]
10/22/2009 2:45:32 PM EST
yes for handguns only. In fact when the PICS system has kicked me over to an operator for this reason they have always asked "is this for a long gun or a handgun?"

hipwr223  [Team Member]
10/22/2009 2:48:43 PM EST
Originally Posted By AKsRule:



You can buy a gun WITHOUT a DL as long as you have other photo ID AND proof of residence.
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that is correct. Pa Non driver ID cards are another way that works well. Any other ID becomes harder for the FFL as well as the PICS system operators to handle. It can be done, but takes much longer generally. It is my policy to take only PA DL and PA ID cards
rkbar15  [Team Member]
10/23/2009 4:22:23 AM EST
You're scaring the kids with this PICS stuff.

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