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 Measuring the length of a rifle in Ohio
Max-OH  [Member]
3/15/2008 2:08:50 PM EST
In Ohio how do you determine the official legal length of a rifle with either a collapsing or side folding stock?

I have spent awhile looking for the answer and can't seem to come up with the Ohio law that states to measure it folded or unfolded; collapsed or un-collapsed.

Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Smead  [Team Member]
3/16/2008 2:03:54 AM EST
AFAIK, overall length isn't a concern in Ohio, only barrel length.
Chuck  [Team Member]
3/16/2008 5:50:49 AM EST
Federal length standards are with any folding or collapseable stock fully extended.

If your AR15 meets the 16" Federal length requirement the overall length will be much more than 26".

You might get a folding AK under 26" when folded -- I've seen sling loops welded on the rear of the receiver to bring the length out an inch or so -- but that's not how they're measured under the law.

-- Chuck
Triangle-66  [Member]
3/16/2008 6:16:55 AM EST
What defines Dangerous Ordnance ( which is what you get charged with if you illeaglly possess a MG SBR SBS Silencer AOW ) in Ohio law is the item's definition in Federal law.

So, it would be 26" with the stock extended and 16" barrel for a rifle and 18" for a shotgun barrel.
Max-OH  [Member]
3/16/2008 6:47:01 AM EST
Great info! What prompted my question was that I have been looking a folding stock for a GSG-5, it has a 16" barrel and fixed stock right now. I was thinking about a folding stock for it but was concerned because I think it would be just a bit short of 26 inches when folded, 33 inches or so when extended. Just making sure how Ohio went on measurements as I didnt want to do something stupid.

Thanks for the inputs!

thatmguy  [Member]
3/18/2008 3:13:49 AM EST
I think you are being unintentionally misinformed.

The gun OAL of 26" is with the stock folded/retracted/etc., Same as it would be with no stock whatsoever. Just like a shotgun with a pistol grip.

The 16" is federal barrel OAL. State law, which covers barrel AND OAL, falls in line with Federal.
Triangle-66  [Member]
3/18/2008 12:27:38 PM EST
No. Intentionally CORRECTLY informed.

Title 18 Chapter 44 subsection 921 Definitions:

(7) The term “rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.

The term rifle means "intended to be fired from the shoulder" this is why the ATF measures the OAL with the stock extended, because that is how it was intended to be used.

Chuck  [Team Member]
3/18/2008 2:46:12 PM EST
OAL of a rifle or shotgun under the NFA includes the stock in firing position. Unfolded, telescoped, whatever.

-- Chuck
thatmguy  [Member]
3/18/2008 7:55:47 PM EST
Ok, so how does a pistol gripped shotgun get measured?

How about pistol gripped rifles?

The MINIMUM over all length is 26" with their respective barrel lengths, 16" for rifle, 18" for shotguns. That means with stock collapsed or non-existant.

If you want to follow your guidelines, have fun in court, and jail.

Triangle-66  [Member]
3/18/2008 11:49:59 PM EST
Using common sense........ I just bought an Arsenel 107UR. The OAL length on this rifle with the stock folded is 25". There are other examples of folded less than 26" OAL including every underfolder AK. The ATF would not allow sale of these items if it were not legal. They have been sold legally for 20+ years.

• Caliber: 7.62 x 39 mm

• Total Length: 877 mm (34 1/2 in.)

• Folded Length: 636 mm (25 in.)

• Barrel Length: 415 mm (16 1/4 in.)

• Rifling: 4 grooves

• Twist Rate: 1 in 240 mm (9.44 in.)

• Weight without Magazine: 2.79 kg (6.1 lbs.)

• Muzzle Velocity: 710 m/s (2329 fps)

• Effective Range: 500 m (547 yds)

• Max Effective Range: 1350 m (1480 yds)

• Rear Sight Range: 500 m (547 yds)

I and other owners of these rifles are completely safe.
Chuck  [Team Member]
3/19/2008 2:03:20 AM EST
A "pistol grip shotgun" like the Mossberg "Cruiser" has an OAL well over 26". It's closer to 30" than 26". That's why it's legal.

In fact the only way to make the M590A1 shorter than 26" is to cut the barrel to under 18". The others will be very similar. The shotgun makers know what they're doing.

A rifle without a stock will have to meet the same 26" criteria. Or be classed as a pistol.

ATF measurement rules specify the OAL is with any stock extended fully.

-- Chuck
predator611  [Team Member]
3/21/2008 4:07:40 AM EST
+3 for Chuck. I asked a similar question almost 3 years ago.
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