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pieeater  [Team Member]
4/28/2005 12:35:55 AM
They seem to be out early this year.I've killed 2 while out turkey hunting so watch your step.





devildogvet  [Member]
4/28/2005 12:37:39 AM
Did you have a tag for those snakes?
badroc  [Team Member]
4/28/2005 12:39:01 AM
Shoot the snake and make boots!
PaDanby  [Member]
4/28/2005 1:49:43 AM
According to some of the train watching sites they are out in force in some areas. Lots of rain, lots of new plants in the burn areas leads to more rodents leads to more snakes..
Pthfndr  [Team Member]
4/28/2005 2:29:00 AM
pieeater

Do you have dogs? My vet has rattelsnake vacinations for dogs. If you have dogs, check with your vet and get them vacinated before hand if rattlesnakes are that common around your home.
m98codered  [Member]
4/28/2005 2:46:24 AM
a cousin of mines once went out squirrel hunting with 500rds of cci mini mags and for that entire day all he ever shot was rattlers all 500rds.
dpmmn  [Team Member]
4/28/2005 3:00:46 AM
you did the correct thing by hosing them snakes
chaos4570  [Team Member]
4/28/2005 3:12:51 AM

Originally Posted By pieeater:
They seem to be out early this year.I've killed 2 while out turkey hunting so watch your step.



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What type of ratlers are those?

I am covered up in western diamondbacks with a Very few Velvet tails(timber rattlers) around here. Timber Rattlers are protected in Tejas
freeride21a  [Team Member]
4/28/2005 6:24:12 AM

Originally Posted By chaos4570:

Originally Posted By pieeater:
They seem to be out early this year.I've killed 2 while out turkey hunting so watch your step.



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What type of ratlers are those?

I am covered up in western diamondbacks with a Very few Velvet tails(timber rattlers) around here. Timber Rattlers are protected in Tejas



that is one of the 9 sub species of the western rattlesnake, either northern pacific or southern pacific.

of the rattlesnakes in california they are the pissiest. I have had them light up 10ft away... where most others you can prod with a stick and they just try and get away.

these are the 6 rattlers found in CA.
western
Western Diamondback
Red Diamondback aka ruber
Sidewinder
Speckled
Mojave aka mojave green this one has the worst bite...hemo and neuro. they are supposed to be the most agressive but of the many I have dealt with they were docile, and pretty!

FYI all you need to take snakes is a fishing lic. there are posession limits though.
WizardOfAhs  [Team Member]
4/28/2005 1:40:37 PM
Hmmm, well, I do need a new hat band!! Here snakey, snakey, snakey!
BangBangBoogie  [Member]
4/28/2005 1:44:56 PM
time to take a shot of snake blood and some whiskey(its a asian thingy)
pieeater  [Team Member]
4/28/2005 7:28:59 PM

Originally Posted By Pthfndr:
pieeater

Do you have dogs? My vet has rattelsnake vacinations for dogs. If you have dogs, check with your vet and get them vacinated before hand if rattlesnakes are that common around your home.

Thanks but no dogs at the moment.And no snakes around my house I ran into these while up in Lake county hunting.When I do get a new dog I'll definately pick up some of that vaccine.
deceptivealibi  [Member]
4/28/2005 7:37:02 PM
Because we have actually been getting rain this year the snakes and spiders are supposed to be really bad. About the dog thing, rattlesnake venom isn't nearly as dangerous to dogs as it is to horses and humans which is a very good thing for them! I didn't know there was a vaccine for them though. How would that work?
Pthfndr  [Team Member]
4/29/2005 12:03:31 AM

Originally Posted By deceptivealibi:
Because we have actually been getting rain this year the snakes and spiders are supposed to be really bad. About the dog thing, rattlesnake venom isn't nearly as dangerous to dogs as it is to horses and humans which is a very good thing for them! I didn't know there was a vaccine for them though. How would that work?



From the Placerville Vet web page:

Vaccination for rattlesnake bite:

You may have already heard about “rattlesnake vaccine”. It is a relatively new product recently approved for use throughout the Unites States.

Ranchers and veterinarians have long known that after having been repeatedly bitten, dogs become resistant to rattlesnake bites. Vaccination works the same way – it will make your dog resistant but not immune. A vaccinated dog is much less likely to suffer permanent injury or die from rattlesnake bite, but it is still possible.

The vaccine is usually administered as two injections the first year, with a booster each year after that. It costs about $18.00 per dose.
Reasons not to vaccinate:

Although rattlesnake bites make dogs very ill and can do serious damage, even untreated bites are seldom fatal and generally cause no permanent damage.

Rattlesnake bites don’t happen very often.

Immunization of any kind can cause an allergic reaction. Most vaccine reactions are mild and easily treatable. Rarely, they can be severe or even fatal. Local veterinarians who use and recommend it report no problems. The clinician we spoke with at the U. C. Davis veterinary clinic said they don’t use it and don’t recommend it.
Reasons to do it anyway:

If your dog has a high risk of being bitten. Certain neighborhoods have a lot of rattlesnakes. If you live where there are lots of snakes or if you take your dog hiking in the mountains and don’t use a leash, then vaccination is probably a good idea.

If your dog has already been treated with rattlesnake antivenin. Rattlesnake antivenin is made from the blood serum of hyper immunized horses. A single dose can make dogs so sensitive to horse serum that a subsequent dose of antivenin is rapidly fatal. There may be exceptions, but dogs that have been treated once with antivenin should never be treated with it again. The risk from a second dose nearly always exceeds the risk from the rattlesnake bite. Immunizing your dog eliminates the risk from antivenin by eliminating the need for antivenin.
loknload  [Team Member]
4/29/2005 12:13:05 AM
I've killed one already in GA. I killed a total of 5 last year. Will be on the lookout for more.
LOK
California_Kid  [Team Member]
4/29/2005 3:30:54 PM
California, the only state where the law says you don't need a fishing license to kill a rattlesnake.


7149.3. Notwithstanding Section 7149, a sport fishing license is
not required for any resident to take any rattlesnake (genus Crotalus
or Sistrurus).



www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fgc&group=07001-08000&file=7145-7155

chaos4570  [Team Member]
4/29/2005 4:06:56 PM

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
California, the only state where the law says you don't need a fishing license to kill a rattlesnake.


7149.3. Notwithstanding Section 7149, a sport fishing license is
not required for any resident to take any rattlesnake (genus Crotalus
or Sistrurus).



www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fgc&group=07001-08000&file=7145-7155





I dont know about the ONLY state. you DO NOT have to have one to take them in TEXAS either. I beileve you have to have a hunting liscence in Texas to take them




nevermind...I see what you mean...the law actually states that you don't need a fishing liscense
colossians323  [Member]
4/29/2005 4:39:16 PM

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
California, the only state where the law says you don't need a fishing license to kill a rattlesnake.


7149.3. Notwithstanding Section 7149, a sport fishing license is
not required for any resident to take any rattlesnake (genus Crotalus
or Sistrurus).



www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fgc&group=07001-08000&file=7145-7155



Actually according to Fish and Game dept. You may keep two legally as pets with a fishing license, this is where the fishing license comes in.
You have to get a different license if you want to keep more than two specimens as long as their not endangered.
California_Kid  [Team Member]
4/29/2005 7:34:46 PM

Originally Posted By colossians323:
...
Actually according to Fish and Game dept. You may keep two legally as pets with a fishing license, this is where the fishing license comes in.
You have to get a different license if you want to keep more than two specimens as long as their not endangered.



Rattlesnakes make very bad pets. They're way faster, more alert, and more aggressive (and dangerous) than traditional snake pet species.

I had a roommate who kept one for a while. He got rid of it after his new girlfriend started to open the lid on the cage to get a better look.

OTOH they do taste pretty good.
pieeater  [Team Member]
4/29/2005 7:53:05 PM

Originally Posted By chaos4570:

Originally Posted By pieeater:
They seem to be out early this year.I've killed 2 while out turkey hunting so watch your step.



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What type of ratlers are those?

I am covered up in western diamondbacks with a Very few Velvet tails(timber rattlers) around here. Timber Rattlers are protected in Tejas



I think there western diamondbacks.The most I killed in a year was 4 all during deer season.Some years I never see one.My friend has a 23000 acre ranch they kill around 30 a year on it.Is there a lot of em in Texas?
California_Kid  [Team Member]
4/29/2005 8:31:59 PM
Yes, the black and white tail rings plus coloration peg them as western diamondbacks.

I heard that Texas is a designated snake-free state.
pieeater  [Team Member]
4/29/2005 9:02:40 PM
realwar  [Member]
4/29/2005 9:08:31 PM
chaos4570  [Team Member]
4/30/2005 1:23:28 AM

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Yes, the black and white tail rings plus coloration peg them as western diamondbacks.

I heard that Texas is a designated snake-free state.





hardly snake free. I used to hunt them when growing up. Me and a couple of buddies gassed a good den and made $381 in one afternoon the last time that I did it. Snakes were bringing $6.50 a pound that year.....you do the math....... went went to the same den the next morning and got $150 more. As I got older, I quit catching them to sell. I just shoot them now when I see them.

I have yet to find a den on our farm yet. We have only had it a year now. Have killed a good many of snakes out and about in the summer months. After deer season I did find one promising hole. Upon further investigation I was swiftly chased out of the area by ground hornets......


This is where we used to sell snakes:

http://www.rattlesnakeroundup.com/home.html

there used to be rattlesnake roundups in a great many cities in texas, but they have faded out through the years. Partly from pressure from tree huggers and partially because Timber rattlers are protected here. Many folks dont know the difference between the Diamondbacks, cane breaks and timber rattlers and would bring protected snakes in to sell....bad JUJU
PaDanby  [Member]
4/30/2005 1:51:17 AM

Originally Posted By colossians323:

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
California, the only state where the law says you don't need a fishing license to kill a rattlesnake.


7149.3. Notwithstanding Section 7149, a sport fishing license is
not required for any resident to take any rattlesnake (genus Crotalus
or Sistrurus).



www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fgc&group=07001-08000&file=7145-7155



Actually according to Fish and Game dept. You may keep two legally as pets with a fishing license, this is where the fishing license comes in.
You have to get a different license if you want to keep more than two specimens as long as their not endangered.



Rattlesnakes as pets? without a permit? not what I heard, but I don't have the books in front. I would expect the fishing license exception is to protect the average joe what kills one in his front yard.
chaos4570  [Team Member]
4/30/2005 1:55:50 AM

Originally Posted By PaDanby:

Originally Posted By colossians323:

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
California, the only state where the law says you don't need a fishing license to kill a rattlesnake.


7149.3. Notwithstanding Section 7149, a sport fishing license is
not required for any resident to take any rattlesnake (genus Crotalus
or Sistrurus).



www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fgc&group=07001-08000&file=7145-7155



Actually according to Fish and Game dept. You may keep two legally as pets with a fishing license, this is where the fishing license comes in.
You have to get a different license if you want to keep more than two specimens as long as their not endangered.



Rattlesnakes as pets? without a permit? not what I heard, but I don't have the books in front. I would expect the fishing license exception is to protect the average joe what kills one in his front yard.





My father used to keep a few in his office, in a cage. He would de-snake peoples dogs with them.(mostly bird dogs)

Cut the fangs out of the rattler.
Set it loose in the yard.
Put a shock collar on the dog to be trained.
Set the dog loose.
Dog will immediately run over to see about the snake.( snake can cause no harm as his fangs are missing)
SHOCK the HELL out of the dog.
Dog no longer wants anythign to do with snake...EVER.

ETA:
And we never had no stinking Fishing liscense. Huntign liscense used to be required in Texas...I am not sure of the requirements these days for taking rattlers
SgtWhiting  [Member]
4/30/2005 11:08:51 PM
Rattlesnakes are the REAL reason why Beta C drum magazine was invented.....................
TheSelecter  [Member]
5/1/2005 1:40:32 AM
i thought it was illegal to keep a venemous(sp) snake as pet.
freeride21a  [Team Member]
5/1/2005 3:18:02 AM

Originally Posted By TheSelecter:
i thought it was illegal to keep a venemous(sp) snake as pet.



it is and isnt. in CA you can keep one of each indiginous venemous snakes. anything else venemous needs permitted.
TheSelecter  [Member]
5/1/2005 5:38:48 AM
strange
California_Kid  [Team Member]
5/1/2005 4:23:28 PM
Here's a big red diamondback my ex-wife encountered a couple of weeks ago in a wilderness area. Judging by the number of rattles, this one survived the Cedar Fire in October 2003.

chaos4570  [Team Member]
5/1/2005 9:09:13 PM

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Here's a big red diamondback my ex-wife encountered a couple of weeks ago in a wilderness area. Judging by the number of rattles, this one survived the Cedar Fire in October 2003.

members.cox.net/slack/images/critters/SSSSnake1.jpg




You are probably right as the snake looks over 2 years old. Counting rattles is NOT an accurare measure of a snakes age. It just shows how many times the snake has shed.
pieeater  [Team Member]
5/1/2005 9:39:29 PM
Damn thats a big snake
pieeater  [Team Member]
5/1/2005 9:40:35 PM

Originally Posted By chaos4570:

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Here's a big red diamondback my ex-wife encountered a couple of weeks ago in a wilderness area. Judging by the number of rattles, this one survived the Cedar Fire in October 2003.

members.cox.net/slack/images/critters/SSSSnake1.jpg




You are probably right as the snake looks over 2 years old. Counting rattles is NOT an accurare measure of a snakes age. It just shows how many times the snake has shed.

Is there any way to age them?
chaos4570  [Team Member]
5/1/2005 9:46:46 PM

Originally Posted By pieeater:

Originally Posted By chaos4570:

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Here's a big red diamondback my ex-wife encountered a couple of weeks ago in a wilderness area. Judging by the number of rattles, this one survived the Cedar Fire in October 2003.

members.cox.net/slack/images/critters/SSSSnake1.jpg




You are probably right as the snake looks over 2 years old. Counting rattles is NOT an accurare measure of a snakes age. It just shows how many times the snake has shed.

Is there any way to age them?




Not that I am aware of. the rattle counting thing is a big myth though...there is some good information in the website on my earlier post. ...not only does a rattler get a new button everytime it sheds, but they also get broken off from time to time.

Be safe out there!


have to cut and paste it
uglygun  [Member]
5/1/2005 10:45:22 PM
It's not a rattlesnake but I'm waiting for the day I see one about this big, this was a gopher snake we caught in the bluffs east of Bakersfield. He was right at 7ft long, my dad and I both are about 6ft 3-4in tall and we're hold the snake above our head, it kinks part way down, and curls at the bottom.




Here's a rattle snake I saw about 3 weeks ago, what's left of him as he was disappearing into the bushes atleast.

He was only about 3 1/2 feet long, tried to get closer to take a picture and he coiled to strike then dove into the bushes.

pieeater  [Team Member]
5/1/2005 11:00:39 PM
That gopher snake is HUGE!I dont think i've ever seen one over 4'.
uglygun  [Member]
5/2/2005 1:50:59 PM
Yeah, he surprised us as well.

MEAN AS HELL TOO! No wonder he got so big.





Here's another gopher snake I caught about 3 weeks ago while camping up in Carrizo Plains, same area where I saw the rattle snake. There are some green racers or green water snakes up in that area that I desperately want to catch, saw 2 of them last year around this time while camping up there and want to put the snag on one as they are bad ass looking snakes.

COZ_45  [Dealer]
5/2/2005 1:56:19 PM

Originally Posted By pieeater:

Originally Posted By chaos4570:

Originally Posted By pieeater:
They seem to be out early this year.I've killed 2 while out turkey hunting so watch your step.



www.fototime.com/9D1FED0146FFE7A/standard.jpg
www.fototime.com/DEC87280230253C/standard.jpg
www.fototime.com/ACD91528E3476CD/standard.jpg




What type of ratlers are those?

I am covered up in western diamondbacks with a Very few Velvet tails(timber rattlers) around here. Timber Rattlers are protected in Tejas



I think there western diamondbacks.The most I killed in a year was 4 all during deer season.Some years I never see one.My friend has a 23000 acre ranch they kill around 30 a year on it.Is there a lot of em in Texas?



Western Diamondback. The most common venomous snake bite in the U.S. is from them. Also known as "The Coontail Rattlesnake" That's the easiest way to tell. These in the picture have dark markings and the diamonds don't show up as well, but the coontail cannot be mistaken.
They are agressive and inflict large punctures when they bite. They have huge fangs and deliver quite a bit of venom with the bite. Hemotoxic and Nuerotoxic poisons...no fun...
COZ_45  [Dealer]
5/2/2005 1:58:58 PM
Someone wrote about removing the fangs.

They can break a fang in the morning and have a new one flip down into it's place and ready to inflict venom in the afternoon. Don't just break off a fang and then expect no bites.

DougH9  [Member]
5/2/2005 3:05:07 PM
I got a big one two weeks ago. I got three meals out of it (girlfriend did not want any).
dvr9  [Team Member]
5/2/2005 3:13:50 PM

Originally Posted By realwar:
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Real war...you can't shoot worth a shit. I have watched you drop mag after mag at that snake and you haven't hit it yet. It just sits there and hisses.